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Rennie to Oz confirmed

Danny Wilson to Weeg confirmed.

Scotland looks to have the best of that trade. Interesting to see who they might bring in to coach the Scottish pack. Not convinced about Wilson for Weeg.

ARM wrote:Rennie to Oz confirmed

Danny Wilson to Weeg confirmed.

Scotland looks to have the best of that trade. Interesting to see who they might bring in to coach the Scottish pack. Not convinced about Wilson for Weeg.

Interesting that a team that I consider to be better than us on the global stage consider Rennie worthy of coaching their national team but we do not. We may live to regret this.

hugh_woatmeigh wrote:

ARM wrote:Rennie to Oz confirmed

Danny Wilson to Weeg confirmed.

Scotland looks to have the best of that trade. Interesting to see who they might bring in to coach the Scottish pack. Not convinced about Wilson for Weeg.

Interesting that a team that I consider to be better than us on the global stage consider Rennie worthy of coaching their national team but we do not. We may live to regret this.

Maybe, but the impression I got from him was that he simply wasn’t for staying, so it is a moot point, rather than something to regret, like getting shot of Cotter too early or not letting Townsend prove himself elsewhere.

General Zod wrote:

hugh_woatmeigh wrote:

ARM wrote:Rennie to Oz confirmed

Danny Wilson to Weeg confirmed.

Scotland looks to have the best of that trade. Interesting to see who they might bring in to coach the Scottish pack. Not convinced about Wilson for Weeg.

Interesting that a team that I consider to be better than us on the global stage consider Rennie worthy of coaching their national team but we do not. We may live to regret this.

Maybe, but the impression I got from him was that he simply wasn’t for staying, so it is a moot point, rather than something to regret, like getting shot of Cotter too early or not letting Townsend prove himself elsewhere.

Agreed, Rennie was only here until the 1st international job came up. The SRU aren't ready to sack GT (the maybe will be come March) so there hasn't really been a chance to appoint him national coach.

hugh_woatmeigh wrote:

ARM wrote:Rennie to Oz confirmed

Danny Wilson to Weeg confirmed.

Scotland looks to have the best of that trade. Interesting to see who they might bring in to coach the Scottish pack. Not convinced about Wilson for Weeg.

Interesting that a team that I consider to be better than us on the global stage consider Rennie worthy of coaching their national team but we do not. We may live to regret this.

Yup. I haven’t really followed Cotter since leaving Scotland but he is still mentioned quite a lot on the NZ coach thread too.

"Danny has worked hard to develop Scotland's set-piece into a real area of strength”

Interesting wording there. Technically you can’t argue with that.

Mikey Brown wrote:
Yup. I haven’t really followed Cotter since leaving Scotland but he is still mentioned quite a lot on the NZ coach thread too.

Cotter with a budget the size of a small country , has been moved from a direct coaching role at Montpellier upstairs to "DoR. Such has been his excellence in coaching.
Haven't looked at the NZ coach thread, but NZFU contacted ever breathing pro rugby coach with NZ nationality to notify them of the forthcoming vacancy. Not everyone applied, including Rennie, Gatland, Scmidt and Joseph. No idea if Cotter did, but his last gig will be counting hugely against him

Interesting final point in the BBC article about where this leaves Dalziel. In his first year as forwards coach when Glasgow appoint a forwards coach above him.

switchskier wrote:Interesting final point in the BBC article about where this leaves Dalziel. In his first year as forwards coach when Glasgow appoint a forwards coach above him.

Cockerill was a forwards coach, and a former hooker. Earlier this year Edinburgh appointed Steve Lawrie, (young coach and ex -hooker) as assistant forwards coach.

Dalzeil will stay where he is, new boss. No big deal, non story

septic 9 wrote:

switchskier wrote:Interesting final point in the BBC article about where this leaves Dalziel. In his first year as forwards coach when Glasgow appoint a forwards coach above him.

Cockerill was a forwards coach, and a former hooker. Earlier this year Edinburgh appointed Steve Lawrie, (young coach and ex -hooker) as assistant forwards coach.

Dalzeil will stay where he is, new boss. No big deal, non story

A bit different. Lawrie is a well regarded young coach being mentored to some degree by Cockers. Dalziel has served a longer apprenticeship and this was meant to be his chance to step up. He stays, but only because there's nowhere else to go.

switchskier wrote:

septic 9 wrote:

switchskier wrote:Interesting final point in the BBC article about where this leaves Dalziel. In his first year as forwards coach when Glasgow appoint a forwards coach above him.

Cockerill was a forwards coach, and a former hooker. Earlier this year Edinburgh appointed Steve Lawrie, (young coach and ex -hooker) as assistant forwards coach.

Dalzeil will stay where he is, new boss. No big deal, non story

A bit different. Lawrie is a well regarded young coach being mentored to some degree by Cockers. Dalziel has served a longer apprenticeship and this was meant to be his chance to step up. He stays, but only because there's nowhere else to go.

Danny Wilson is Head Coach
John Dalziel is Forwards Coach

Nothing to see here.

switchskier wrote:

septic 9 wrote:

switchskier wrote:Interesting final point in the BBC article about where this leaves Dalziel. In his first year as forwards coach when Glasgow appoint a forwards coach above him.

Cockerill was a forwards coach, and a former hooker. Earlier this year Edinburgh appointed Steve Lawrie, (young coach and ex -hooker) as assistant forwards coach.

Dalzeil will stay where he is, new boss. No big deal, non story

A bit different. Lawrie is a well regarded young coach being mentored to some degree by Cockers. Dalziel has served a longer apprenticeship and this was meant to be his chance to step up. He stays, but only because there's nowhere else to go.

No, he stays because it is part of a longer term strategy. Dalziel doesn't have a great deal of professional rugby coaching experience and this will continue his development. Forwards coach is quite general but these days people have specialisms within that. Plenty of scope for growth. And there is no mention of a new contract for Wilson so no guarantees he is there for a long time.

Lawrie is highly rated, but the SRU have invested a lot of time in Dalziel, they wont just bin him.

switchskier wrote:

septic 9 wrote:

switchskier wrote:Interesting final point in the BBC article about where this leaves Dalziel. In his first year as forwards coach when Glasgow appoint a forwards coach above him.

Cockerill was a forwards coach, and a former hooker. Earlier this year Edinburgh appointed Steve Lawrie, (young coach and ex -hooker) as assistant forwards coach.

Dalzeil will stay where he is, new boss. No big deal, non story

A bit different. Lawrie is a well regarded young coach being mentored to some degree by Cockers. Dalziel has served a longer apprenticeship and this was meant to be his chance to step up. He stays, but only because there's nowhere else to go.

the ignorance is staggering.

I'll bet you are one of those who are screaming that the SRU should have a strategy and development path for young Scottish coaches. Like Dalzeil has had. And Lawrie has just started on. They may take similar paths, they may not - a lot depends on their own strengths (eg Dalzeil and 7s) and timely opportunities occurring (vacancy at Edinburgh). Have a wee think about the range of positions the SRU have appointed Dalzeil to - he is clearly on a pathway to be the next Scottish developed head coach - for a pro side and possibly Scotland. He may or may not make that, the opportunity may or may not arise, but that's the plan. Had this Weegie vacancy occurred 2 years from now and Dalzeil continued his positive development he'd be right in the frame

It’s just weird looking at a pack with Harley at lock and Fusaro at 7 against a team like Exe. I thought McDonald was pretty hot right now? I’d forgotten about Gordon too, liked the look of him.

Huw Jones fully dropped off the map it seems.

Glasgow up against it with these injuries. Felt they’ve played ok, but getting overpowered. Z Fagerson doing well in the scrum.

Exeter playing well, but what’s with the head-dresses and what have you? I do tend to think cultural appropriation is usually a bit of a pisstake, but there’s something not quite right about it.

How the SA press is reporting Huw Jones...

https://m.sport24.co.za/Rugby/SuperRugb ... t-20191124

What a horrible failure that has been. I’d love to know if there were any particularly dominant reason why. A few years back people thought he might be close to the best 13 in the world right now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50604554

Not sure if this means he’s only available to Glasgow in an injury crisis but it can’t be a bad thing for Scotland’s prop options to have him training with them.

Mikey Brown wrote:What a horrible failure that has been. I’d love to know if there were any particularly dominant reason why. A few years back people thought he might be close to the best 13 in the world right now.

he ran some terrific lines, mostly off Russell. But his defence has been shit from the off, which folk ignored as long as he scored tries and looked flash, and especially if Scotland won (Scotland because in all his chances at Glasgow he has done little to nothing to deserve a start). Cast memory back to the humping we took at Twickenham under Cotter. I think that was the day Dunbar's career took a downward trajectory, The just about best defensive centre and defence captain we ever had, reduced to wondering if Jones would hold his position and take the right man

Anyway he starts this week against leinster 2nds. And his agent has denied the SA rumours

Mikey Brown wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50604554

Not sure if this means he’s only available to Glasgow in an injury crisis but it can’t be a bad thing for Scotland’s prop options to have him training with them.

Glasgow's recruitment is utterly nonsensical.

Seiuli, Allan, Kebble with Caps & Thorton as the "youngsters" - already 1 Loosehead too many. And they bring in Gordy on a partnership deal. 6 LHs and no replacement for Hoggy. Okay then...

hugh_woatmeigh wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50604554

Not sure if this means he’s only available to Glasgow in an injury crisis but it can’t be a bad thing for Scotland’s prop options to have him training with them.

Glasgow's recruitment is utterly nonsensical.

Seiuli, Allan, Kebble with Caps & Thorton as the "youngsters" - already 1 Loosehead too many. And they bring in Gordy on a partnership deal. 6 LHs and no replacement for Hoggy. Okay then...

the ability to "replace" the irreplaceable should not be confused with other recruitment which has no bearing on it. There isn't the money to sign anyone remotely even one step down from Hogg. He gets loads of flack from idiots but the rest of the rugby world know just how good he is.

On the props, when someone at HQ decides we have some prospects at prop a home is found for them if they can't get a deal anywhere else. Glasgow clearly overstocked, agreed, but I suspect neither Capps nor Thornton have shown enough in training to give confidence at HC level, so Reid is called in (should have been brought back to Warriors in preference to any of the others IMHO). Capps and Thornton are probably vying for one place going forward, neither might make it.
Edinburgh's prop situation is equally daft. 3 Scottish international loose heads and Schoeman preferred to any of them. Probably a kid as well somewhere. Two Scottish international tightheads plus a an Italian international tighthead. Load of cash squandered in there when their 10s are still piss (and one on a serious wedge). Add in McCallum, best prop prospect of his day with Fagerson, now reduced to 4th choice at best on either side and master of none, wasted.

anyone watch Hugh Jones defending last night and care to to defend his right to start games? Leinster 2nds certainly seemed to know where to attack probably coincidence. Or good analysis and coaching

There were about 6 La Rochails defenders on the floor at that ruck. I don't understand.

That was glorious!

First half they didn’t have their heads screwed on until injury time, but the determination in the second half was something to behold. Great win. French will chuck it now, so 5 points next up has to be the target.

The closing minutes of that were unbearable. Fantastic win though.