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Sandydragon wrote:

Puja wrote:

Banquo wrote: that would be colossally stupid.

Probably agreed, although it would depend on how Labour selected a new leader. They'd have to have a pared down process and, if Starmer is fined and resigns, you'd expect that Rayner would likely be in the same boat.

There's a reasonable chance that Labour pick someone else boring and staid and take an age over doing it, which is probably what the Tories are thinking. However, I think a lot of people would see it as cynical, Boris is the least popular man in the country, and there's the start of a huge recession and cost of living crisis, so it's a terrible time for an election even without the risk that Labour quickly select someone vaguely charismatic and willing to go with some popular socialist policies that play well in an era when it seems like the government is protecting the few, not the many (to coin a phrase).

I can't see how they will fine Starmer though. Any decision to do that is going to be horrendously partisan, given the background of Boris only getting one fine for waaaay worse, plus Starmer heaping on the pressure by emphasising the consequences. I don't see them having the minerals.

Puja

If I got fined for that I would appeal. Starmer has done nothing wrong (nor Rayner) from what I can read in the press.

But, I do see the logic of a quick poll. Labour will be in confusion and it would have to elect someone very quickly or else the public might not want to take a risk on Corbyn mark 2.

Sandydragon wrote:

Puja wrote:

Banquo wrote: that would be colossally stupid.

Probably agreed, although it would depend on how Labour selected a new leader. They'd have to have a pared down process and, if Starmer is fined and resigns, you'd expect that Rayner would likely be in the same boat.

There's a reasonable chance that Labour pick someone else boring and staid and take an age over doing it, which is probably what the Tories are thinking. However, I think a lot of people would see it as cynical, Boris is the least popular man in the country, and there's the start of a huge recession and cost of living crisis, so it's a terrible time for an election even without the risk that Labour quickly select someone vaguely charismatic and willing to go with some popular socialist policies that play well in an era when it seems like the government is protecting the few, not the many (to coin a phrase).

I can't see how they will fine Starmer though. Any decision to do that is going to be horrendously partisan, given the background of Boris only getting one fine for waaaay worse, plus Starmer heaping on the pressure by emphasising the consequences. I don't see them having the minerals.

Puja

If I got fined for that I would appeal. Starmer has done nothing wrong (nor Rayner) from what I can read in the press.

But, I do see the logic of a quick poll. Labour will be in confusion and it would have to elect someone very quickly or else the public might not want to take a risk on Corbyn mark 2.

Puja wrote:Nadine Dorries getting absolutely rinsed by all and sundry for appearing at a Rugby League World Cup promo event and talking about how she always loved rugby league and she remembers fondly the drop goal that won it in 2003.









Puja

Stom wrote:OMG, that last one, Michael Tate...that is soooo a parody account, even if unintentional. Amazing.

Seriously, go have a read, fantastic.

Sandydragon wrote:

Stom wrote:OMG, that last one, Michael Tate...that is soooo a parody account, even if unintentional. Amazing.

Seriously, go have a read, fantastic.

Another MP enobled for being an arse licker

Stom wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Stom wrote:OMG, that last one, Michael Tate...that is soooo a parody account, even if unintentional. Amazing.

Seriously, go have a read, fantastic.

Another MP enobled for being an arse licker

No, pretty sure it's a parody account, lol. Just subtle enough to get through. But the clips and images chosen give it away. It's excellent.

Sandydragon wrote:

Puja wrote:Nadine Dorries getting absolutely rinsed by all and sundry for appearing at a Rugby League World Cup promo event and talking about how she always loved rugby league and she remembers fondly the drop goal that won it in 2003.

Puja

This kind of shit happens and she isnt going to know every detail of every sport she might have to get involved with. But, unless you are going to prepare well then don't try and pretend that you know what you're talking about. Im sure the RL community would rather she rocked up interested but with no knowledge than pretend she has been secretly a supporter since the 2003 RWC!

Puja wrote:

Stom wrote:

Sandydragon wrote: Another MP enobled for being an arse licker

No, pretty sure it's a parody account, lol. Just subtle enough to get through. But the clips and images chosen give it away. It's excellent.

Plus the name - Michael Take -> Mickey Take. And the hashtag of GoNads.

Admittedly, I did require someone pointing both those things out to me, as I didn't realise it was intentional parody when first I saw it. Poe's Law in full effect with the ridiculousness of this government.

Puja

Puja wrote:Plus the latest Tory MP involved in sexual assault, after getting drunk and groping strangers, is called Mr Pincher. Just wanted to share that one.

Stom wrote:It's been quiet in Westminster for about a week, so we were due another scandal. And we get one with Pincher.

If Labour are instigating the timing of these leaks and these scandals, they're playing an absolute blinder. Whoever is behind the timing of these revelations is playing the game perfectly to utterly dismantle the governments electability.

Nothing major, just scandal after scandal, each calling back to previous government decisions.

They just need to keep it up for another year... With any other government, you'd think they'd gone too early and there wouldn't be enough scandals. But with this one...there are definitely 52 more scandals left in this group of charlatans.

Sandydragon wrote:And Sunak has gone too.

Surely he can’t bluster this one out?

Sandydragon wrote:Dorries seen at number 10. Is she going to get health or the chancellor role?

Stom wrote:Have they shot their load too soon? No way to call a vote of no confidence in the government unless BJ is somehow teflon coated! If he fails to resign or the Tory party somehow fail to get rid of him, Labour could have a good chance to force a vote of no confidence, with the real possibility many Tories will vote with them.

Then they somehow need to a win a general...

Sandydragon wrote:

Stom wrote:Have they shot their load too soon? No way to call a vote of no confidence in the government unless BJ is somehow teflon coated! If he fails to resign or the Tory party somehow fail to get rid of him, Labour could have a good chance to force a vote of no confidence, with the real possibility many Tories will vote with them.
Then they somehow need to a win a general...

Hard to tell at the moment. Other big figures in the cabinet have announced the at they aren’t going to reign but tomorrow will be interesting. Boris isn’t obliged to do anything but if he can’t form a government then he can’t govern. But I suspect that enough cronies will agree to take posts to keep him in power for a bit longer.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Stom wrote:Have they shot their load too soon? No way to call a vote of no confidence in the government unless BJ is somehow teflon coated! If he fails to resign or the Tory party somehow fail to get rid of him, Labour could have a good chance to force a vote of no confidence, with the real possibility many Tories will vote with them.
Then they somehow need to a win a general...

Hard to tell at the moment. Other big figures in the cabinet have announced the at they aren’t going to reign but tomorrow will be interesting. Boris isn’t obliged to do anything but if he can’t form a government then he can’t govern. But I suspect that enough cronies will agree to take posts to keep him in power for a bit longer.

I have no idea why this was the unacceptable thing that forced Javid and Sunak's hands.

There's zero chance of the Tories voting for a general election.

Boris will stay unless a lot more resign or privately (as a group) threaten to. I imagine he can find droves of loyal incompetents to fill up ministerial positions if need be.

Truss is positioning herself as Mark Antony to Javid and Sunak's Brutus and Cassius. Except that Boris is still alive....

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Stom wrote:Have they shot their load too soon? No way to call a vote of no confidence in the government unless BJ is somehow teflon coated! If he fails to resign or the Tory party somehow fail to get rid of him, Labour could have a good chance to force a vote of no confidence, with the real possibility many Tories will vote with them.
Then they somehow need to a win a general...

Hard to tell at the moment. Other big figures in the cabinet have announced the at they aren’t going to reign but tomorrow will be interesting. Boris isn’t obliged to do anything but if he can’t form a government then he can’t govern. But I suspect that enough cronies will agree to take posts to keep him in power for a bit longer.

I have no idea why this was the unacceptable thing that forced Javid and Sunak's hands.

There's zero chance of the Tories voting for a general election.

Boris will stay unless a lot more resign or privately (as a group) threaten to. I imagine he can find droves of loyal incompetents to fill up ministerial positions if need be.

Truss is positioning herself as Mark Antony to Javid and Sunak's Brutus and Cassius. Except that Boris is still alive....