Brexit delayed

[Son of Mathonwy]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... ght-along/
Archived version here: https://archive.ph/nLgi4

Project Fear was right all along
Six years of policy confusion and ineptitude has brought a calamitous loss of standing
...
Downbeat predictions by the Treasury and others on the economic consequences of leaving the EU, contemptuously dismissed at the time by Brexit campaigners as "Project Fear", have been on a long fuse, but they have turned out to be overwhelmingly correct, and if anything have underestimated both the calamitous loss of international standing and the scale of the damage that six years of policy confusion and ineptitude has imposed on the country.
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Not exactly a mea culpa, but remarkable to see something like this in the pages of the Torygraph at all.

[Zhivago]

That only leaves concerns around the trade deficit as is are for imbeciles

from the Guardian
"Trade from the UK to the EU is down 16% on the levels anticipated had Brexit not happened, a new report has found.

Meanwhile trade from the EU to the UK has dropped even further, by 20%, relative to a scenario in which Brexit had not occurred, according to research published on Wednesday by the Economic and Social Research Institute."

You'd think that if imports drop more than exports then that'd help our balance of trade. But based on the figures it doesn't look to be the case. 2022 looking very shit so far.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kin ... e-of-trade

[Son of Mathonwy]

Human rights, animal welfare, employment rights, environmental protections are all under threat from the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill, which is just making its way through Parliament.

This bill will revoke ANY EU derived law at the end of 2023. Anything worth retaining will need to be written anew into UK law.

It will be quite an exercise to determine exactly what its effects are, let alone relegislate for what should be kept (or, more likely kept in a weaker form). God knows how the civil servants will find time to do this . . . but then that's probably the idea.

It allows the Tories to scrap whole swathes of our protections without explicitly debating or even mentioning them. Essentially the kind of thing which scared me most about Brexit in the first place. Renovation by TNT.

But don't worry because Rees-Mogg says: 'In my view the provisions of the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill are compatible with the Convention rights'. So that's alright then.


This focuses on the environmental aspects but the bill will hit human rights, employment rights etc
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ee-for-all

More detail on this - up to 2400 laws written in the last 50 years will disappear in less than 15 months:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... e-rhetoric

More on this insanity:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/oc ... wyers-warn

[Son of Mathonwy]

Human rights, animal welfare, employment rights, environmental protections are all under threat from the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill, which is just making its way through Parliament.

This bill will revoke ANY EU derived law at the end of 2023. Anything worth retaining will need to be written anew into UK law.

It will be quite an exercise to determine exactly what its effects are, let alone relegislate for what should be kept (or, more likely kept in a weaker form). God knows how the civil servants will find time to do this . . . but then that's probably the idea.

It allows the Tories to scrap whole swathes of our protections without explicitly debating or even mentioning them. Essentially the kind of thing which scared me most about Brexit in the first place. Renovation by TNT.

But don't worry because Rees-Mogg says: 'In my view the provisions of the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill are compatible with the Convention rights'. So that's alright then.


This focuses on the environmental aspects but the bill will hit human rights, employment rights etc
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ee-for-all

More detail on this - up to 2400 laws written in the last 50 years will disappear in less than 15 months:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... e-rhetoric

More on this insanity:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/oc ... wyers-warn

More on this:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -rees-mogg

Rees-Mogg has gone, thank god, but will this legislation still go on?

[Son of Mathonwy]

More detail on this - up to 2400 laws written in the last 50 years will disappear in less than 15 months:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... e-rhetoric

More on this insanity:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2022/oc ... wyers-warn

More on this:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -rees-mogg

Rees-Mogg has gone, thank god, but will this legislation still go on?

And now it seems another 1400 will go (that's how well understood the impact of this bill is), so that's 3800 laws:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-bill

[Sandydragon]

This is appalling. I get that departing the EU would mean that many laws should probably be rewritten. But unless there is something ready to go which would supersede them, it leaves a huge gap in some important areas.

At what point can we sensibly tell the Brexiteers to fuck off. They have already hurt this country enough, now STFU and stop making things worse whilst we try to make the most out of the mess you have landed us in.

[Which Tyler]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63573988

Brexit-backing Next boss says UK needs more overseas workers
The boss of retailer Next is urging the government to let more foreign workers into the UK to ease labour shortages.
Lord Wolfson, who was a prominent advocate of Brexit, said the UK's current immigration policy was crippling economic growth.
...
"I think in respect of immigration, it's definitely not the Brexit that I wanted, or indeed, many of people who voted Brexit wanted," he said.
"And we have to remember, you know, we're all stuck in this Brexit argument, we have to remember that what post-Brexit Britain looks like, is not the preserve of those people that voted Brexit, it's for all of us to decide."
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[Puja]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63573988

Brexit-backing Next boss says UK needs more overseas workers
The boss of retailer Next is urging the government to let more foreign workers into the UK to ease labour shortages.
Lord Wolfson, who was a prominent advocate of Brexit, said the UK's current immigration policy was crippling economic growth.
...
"I think in respect of immigration, it's definitely not the Brexit that I wanted, or indeed, many of people who voted Brexit wanted," he said.
"And we have to remember, you know, we're all stuck in this Brexit argument, we have to remember that what post-Brexit Britain looks like, is not the preserve of those people that voted Brexit, it's for all of us to decide."
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Yeah, we shouldn't be having to pay British workers better! We need to import Romanians who are happy with the low salary we want to offer!

Puja

[Banquo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63573988

Brexit-backing Next boss says UK needs more overseas workers
The boss of retailer Next is urging the government to let more foreign workers into the UK to ease labour shortages.
Lord Wolfson, who was a prominent advocate of Brexit, said the UK's current immigration policy was crippling economic growth.
...
"I think in respect of immigration, it's definitely not the Brexit that I wanted, or indeed, many of people who voted Brexit wanted," he said.
"And we have to remember, you know, we're all stuck in this Brexit argument, we have to remember that what post-Brexit Britain looks like, is not the preserve of those people that voted Brexit, it's for all of us to decide."
...
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Yeah, we shouldn't be having to pay British workers better! We need to import Romanians who are happy with the low salary we want to offer!

Puja

.its not the brexit I wanted.......heard that a few times. What did they think it would look like??

[Which Tyler]

.its not the brexit I wanted.......heard that a few times. What did they think it would look like??

Dunno, it's exactly the Brexit we warned about

[morepork]

Tax cuts, deregulation, and cheap imported labour. The neoliberal free market muppet trifecta.

[Banquo]

.its not the brexit I wanted.......heard that a few times. What did they think it would look like??

Dunno, it's exactly the Brexit we warned about

exactly so. Project reality.

[Puja]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63573988

Yeah, we shouldn't be having to pay British workers better! We need to import Romanians who are happy with the low salary we want to offer!

Puja

.its not the brexit I wanted.......heard that a few times. What did they think it would look like??

In fairness, a few people were sold a pup by Leave politicians going around telling them that of course it wouldn't mean leaving the Common Market, it was just the EU that we were leaving, we're not mad!

I don't expect that excuses Lord Wolfson, who I don't remember being vocal against a no-Deal Brexit when it nearly happened under May, but it's not unfair for a lot of people to say that this wasn't the Brexit they wanted, because there were a lot of different options being talked about at referendum time and most of them were far less extreme than the one that was eventually deemed TheWillOfThePeopleTM.

Puja

[Banquo]

Yeah, we shouldn't be having to pay British workers better! We need to import Romanians who are happy with the low salary we want to offer!

Puja

.its not the brexit I wanted.......heard that a few times. What did they think it would look like??

In fairness, a few people were sold a pup by Leave politicians going around telling them that of course it wouldn't mean leaving the Common Market, it was just the EU that we were leaving, we're not mad!

I don't expect that excuses Lord Wolfson, who I don't remember being vocal against a no-Deal Brexit when it nearly happened under May, but it's not unfair for a lot of people to say that this wasn't the Brexit they wanted, because there were a lot of different options being talked about at referendum time and most of them were far less extreme than the one that was eventually deemed TheWillOfThePeopleTM.

Puja

Must confess I didn't even entertain the thought that leaving the EU meant not leaving the Customs Union tbh, but then I probably understood the question.

[Sandydragon]

I almost spat out my coffee when I heard this article on the radio it’s morning. Prominent Brexit support who thinks that stopping EU citizens from working in his shops is fine. But then moans about the lack of workers. At any point did he look at his workforce and identify their nationality?

Just shows that Brexit meant many different things:

Stop immigration for some
British jobs for British workers for others
We decide for plenty
Hard Brexit, soft Brexit. So many options.

Which is why I blame Cameron for this utter fucking mess. If he felt that there was no avoiding a referendum then he should have:
Reviewed the 50% plus 1 for such a major constitutional change and gone for a higher pass mark. Other countries do this. And
Ensured that there was a clear manifesto for what Brexit actually meant. With two Brexit campaigns the message was confusing, trying to implement the result has been a disaster and has left us at the mercy of the nutters as everyone else gets bored.

[Sandydragon]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63573988

Yeah, we shouldn't be having to pay British workers better! We need to import Romanians who are happy with the low salary we want to offer!

Puja

.its not the brexit I wanted.......heard that a few times. What did they think it would look like??

We would have:

A ceremonial burning of the EU flag, legislation and any random Europeans hanging around,
Rule Britannia on the radio every hour,
Proud British PMs banging desks in the EU to demand they meet our requirements because we’re the British and we won the last war,
A reconquest of the Empire, or at least the nicer bits.
A ban on all immigration, except where we need foreign workers which is pretty much everywhere it would appear.
The immediate restitution of Britain as the worlds leading industrial nation as the EU was to blame for us not being at the top.
The removal of any legislation that annoyed them, which is anything the Daily Mail likes to moan about.

Think that’s about it but might have missed a few things. Being realistic wasn’t a strong point of the Brexit campaigns.

[Donny osmond]

.its not the brexit I wanted.......heard that a few times. What did they think it would look like??

In fairness, a few people were sold a pup by Leave politicians going around telling them that of course it wouldn't mean leaving the Common Market, it was just the EU that we were leaving, we're not mad!

I don't expect that excuses Lord Wolfson, who I don't remember being vocal against a no-Deal Brexit when it nearly happened under May, but it's not unfair for a lot of people to say that this wasn't the Brexit they wanted, because there were a lot of different options being talked about at referendum time and most of them were far less extreme than the one that was eventually deemed TheWillOfThePeopleTM.

Puja

Must confess I didn't even entertain the thought that leaving the EU meant not leaving the Customs Union tbh, but then I probably understood the question.

[Sandydragon]

In fairness, a few people were sold a pup by Leave politicians going around telling them that of course it wouldn't mean leaving the Common Market, it was just the EU that we were leaving, we're not mad!

I don't expect that excuses Lord Wolfson, who I don't remember being vocal against a no-Deal Brexit when it nearly happened under May, but it's not unfair for a lot of people to say that this wasn't the Brexit they wanted, because there were a lot of different options being talked about at referendum time and most of them were far less extreme than the one that was eventually deemed TheWillOfThePeopleTM.

Puja

Must confess I didn't even entertain the thought that leaving the EU meant not leaving the Customs Union tbh, but then I probably understood the question.

And in a nutshell, there was the Brexit problem. It became too emotional. No one really wants to get into the real nuts and bolts of the EU, its legislation and our relationship and those who do are very odd - Christopher Chope for example. But a passing glance will see that there are benefits to membership that we would not have enjoyed on the outside.

But none of that mattered with the 'take back control' mantra, assisted by the dislike of immigration for many of those who supported brexit.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Must confess I didn't even entertain the thought that leaving the EU meant not leaving the Customs Union tbh, but then I probably understood the question.

And in a nutshell, there was the Brexit problem. It became too emotional. No one really wants to get into the real nuts and bolts of the EU, its legislation and our relationship and those who do are very odd - Christopher Chope for example. But a passing glance will see that there are benefits to membership that we would not have enjoyed on the outside.

But none of that mattered with the 'take back control' mantra, assisted by the dislike of immigration for many of those who supported brexit.

Brexit could have been done is so many different ways that it was perfect for arch-cakeist, arch-liar Johnson. Literally anything good was possible and nothing bad because there was always a version of Brexit in which that was the case.

If only Cameron had:
not had the referendum at all;
or
set a greater that 50% threshold;
or
allowed 16 and 17 year olds to vote;
or
had treasury produce estimates on the impact on our economy which could have been stuck on the side of a bus;
or
made clear the referendum was indicative only and merely the start of a discussion;
or
chosen a particular, clearly defined version of Brexit to vote on;
or
at the end of it, steered us to a softer Brexit rather than fucking off and leaving us with this disaster.

All of our shit* stems from Cameron.


*okay maybe not Covid and Putin . . . although the state of the NHS didn't help, nor did letting Putin take Crimea and his oligarchs buy their way into the UK. So yeah, he left us with shaky foundations for those too.

[Son of Mathonwy]

This is appalling. I get that departing the EU would mean that many laws should probably be rewritten. But unless there is something ready to go which would supersede them, it leaves a huge gap in some important areas.

At what point can we sensibly tell the Brexiteers to fuck off. They have already hurt this country enough, now STFU and stop making things worse whilst we try to make the most out of the mess you have landed us in.

It's vandalism. It's chaos. Brexit allows parliament to change any of these laws. But this torching of legislation will cause changes everywhere (without debate or understanding) and leave everyone unsure what the law actually is. It's almost like a bill that removes every fifth clause in every UK statute, just for the hell of it.

If Sunak is actually a responsible and, dare I say, a conservative PM, he will stop this bill.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Amendments will be tabled to reduce the impact of this horror bill. I doubt there'll be anything like enough Tory rebels to carry them though . . .

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... 00-eu-laws

[Sandydragon]

It’s honestly astounding how Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving.

It has utterly destroyed British politics. And the economy. And much of society. And it was all self inflicted and could have been avoided.

[Son of Mathonwy]

It’s honestly astounding how Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving.

It has utterly destroyed British politics. And the economy. And much of society. And it was all self inflicted and could have been avoided.

Farage-inflicted. Jesus, I watched a YouTube clip of that shit on Question time before the referendum today. So depressing. Literally every problem facing everyone was blamed on immigration - can get a job? Can't get on the housing ladder? Not paid enough? Schools overcrowded? Can't get an operation? All because of EU immigration.

[Which Tyler]

[Son of Mathonwy]

Looks like he preferred to digest his own tongue rather than tell viewers the truth.