COVID19

[Digby]

You will not know if you're immune to this or a mutated version in round 2, 3, 4,... and too you'd need more than one test showing you're currently negative for the virus. I think

[Stom]

You will not know if you're immune to this or a mutated version in round 2, 3, 4,... and too you'd need more than one test showing you're currently negative for the virus. I think

I know, it's only a test to show if you have the antigens...one of the reasons I'm not too fussed about having the test is I don't think it makes much difference.

It's not going to change my behaviour, so why would I?

[Sandydragon]

There's not a massive amount of point in comparing raw numbers across countries it seems to me. What you can usefully look at is progression in other countries to predict progression in your own and the effect of certain restrictions. Obviously there are cultural differences and weird outliers - something decidedly weird is going on in Japan's numbers - which will affect all these things. The rate of doubling of deaths is probably the best indicator we have.

Anyway my favourite resource with apologies if it has already been shared is: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus# ... m-covid-19

Agreed. Italy is in a bad shape, but certain factors are in play there which make transmission easier and give it greater impact which don't really happen here so much. That said, we have factors that will help/hinder the virus which are unique so there is only so much that can be understood from other countries data.

It is fairly apparent though that COVID19 has the potential to do a lot of damage if no mitigations are put in place which makes the stance of some world leaders truly baffling.

[Sandydragon]

"The town of Nembro, near Bergamo, had 158 deaths so far this year Vs 35 on average in the recent past.

Only 31 deaths were attributed to Covid-19"


Of course, some of those will be undiagnosed COVID deaths, and some secondary as equipment and care isn't available for others when capacity is taken up with COVID.

This is the one.

Also
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/ ... 82846.html

In pictorial form

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I'd love to know what the other deaths in that spike have been attributed to. I'm assuming that is a victim had cancer then the cause of death has been recorded as cancer rather than COVID19 which has caused that death to be premature?

[Galfon]

The lack of quick-test availabilty is flooring key infrastucture function right now - 30-50% off as corrrct response to instructions not atypical....if you are in a busy household there could be contiguous and sequential responses.
The blurred edge between seasonal lurgy symptoms and early Covid symptoms makes it worse, and the take-no-chance necessity.
(i'm on a 2 week selfie due to multiple but mildish showings in the family.)

[Banquo]

This is the one.

Also
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/ ... 82846.html

In pictorial form

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I'd love to know what the other deaths in that spike have been attributed to. I'm assuming that is a victim had cancer then the cause of death has been recorded as cancer rather than COVID19 which has caused that death to be premature?

COVID 19 is notifiable, therefore is recorded as cause of death if no other notifiable condition is present. So not a totally clear picture.

[morepork]

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That’s what I was trying to do at 4 am! Fail on my part. But I’m symptomatic for the Covid plague (mild only so don’t start a fundraiser) so I’m not all that good at anything right now.

That's the thing, I have also been symptomatic, but those symptoms can also be attributed to other things, too.

My wife and I have been offered tests by a client of my wife's, but I'm unsure whether we should take them. On one hand, it would be good to know if we've had it, so are currently immune, but on the other hand, it could potentially be a lot more use to someone else.

If you are positive, you then know to stay the fuck away from anyone, and the data is useful. There is no treatment for coronavirus. Basically it's supplemental oxygen for as long a period as it takes the body to heal itself. What's the diff if you or someone else gets tested in that environment?

[morepork]

This is the one.

Also
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/ ... 82846.html

In pictorial form

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I'd love to know what the other deaths in that spike have been attributed to. I'm assuming that is a victim had cancer then the cause of death has been recorded as cancer rather than COVID19 which has caused that death to be premature?

Would the cancer patient have died if they weren't exposed to the virus? Ditto flu and other ailments. That's the evil genius of swamping health facilities all at once. The trickle down is devestating.

[Mellsblue]

Very interesting read:

https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/03/3 ... -pub-81404

[Stom]

That’s what I was trying to do at 4 am! Fail on my part. But I’m symptomatic for the Covid plague (mild only so don’t start a fundraiser) so I’m not all that good at anything right now.

That's the thing, I have also been symptomatic, but those symptoms can also be attributed to other things, too.

My wife and I have been offered tests by a client of my wife's, but I'm unsure whether we should take them. On one hand, it would be good to know if we've had it, so are currently immune, but on the other hand, it could potentially be a lot more use to someone else.

If you are positive, you then know to stay the fuck away from anyone, and the data is useful. There is no treatment for coronavirus. Basically it's supplemental oxygen for as long a period as it takes the body to heal itself. What's the diff if you or someone else gets tested in that environment?

Because we've completely self-isolated, so if we had it, it's gone already? I guess you're right, I just thought there was a potential shortage of testing kits and more at risk or less isolated people should be tested first (we live deep in the suburbs, we're pretty damn isolated).

[Digby]

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I'd love to know what the other deaths in that spike have been attributed to. I'm assuming that is a victim had cancer then the cause of death has been recorded as cancer rather than COVID19 which has caused that death to be premature?

Would the cancer patient have died if they weren't exposed to the virus? Ditto flu and other ailments. That's the evil genius of swamping health facilities all at once. The trickle down is devestating.

Ross Perot was right then, trickle down does work

[morepork]

That's the thing, I have also been symptomatic, but those symptoms can also be attributed to other things, too.

My wife and I have been offered tests by a client of my wife's, but I'm unsure whether we should take them. On one hand, it would be good to know if we've had it, so are currently immune, but on the other hand, it could potentially be a lot more use to someone else.

If you are positive, you then know to stay the fuck away from anyone, and the data is useful. There is no treatment for coronavirus. Basically it's supplemental oxygen for as long a period as it takes the body to heal itself. What's the diff if you or someone else gets tested in that environment?

Because we've completely self-isolated, so if we had it, it's gone already? I guess you're right, I just thought there was a potential shortage of testing kits and more at risk or less isolated people should be tested first (we live deep in the suburbs, we're pretty damn isolated).

If the test is serology-based and you've been exposed to the virus, you will be immuno-positive for your lifetime, more or less. If the test is PCR-based, you may have cleared it out and that one may come back negative even if you have been exposed.

[morepork]

FuckBook growing a pair?

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52106321

Bolsonaro seems a right odious little cunt.

[Stom]

FuckBook growing a pair?

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52106321

Bolsonaro seems a right odious little cunt.

Little?

He’s one of the holy septuplets of cuntdom, along with Trump, Modi, Duterte, Putin, Erdogan, and my glorious Viktator.

[morepork]

Ha! The new seven dwarfs following in the vested denial of big tobacco.

[Digby]

Justice for MBS, and Imran Khan and Xi Jinping and Bashar al-Assad and...

What do they need to do to make top 7?

[Sandydragon]

FuckBook growing a pair?

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52106321

Bolsonaro seems a right odious little cunt.

Think Trump with even less inhibitions. Utter cock.

[Sandydragon]

FuckBook growing a pair?

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52106321

Bolsonaro seems a right odious little cunt.

Little?

He’s one of the holy septuplets of cuntdom, along with Trump, Modi, Duterte, Putin, Erdogan, and my glorious Viktator.

Duterte Harry has been a bit quiet of late. I’m surprised he hasn’t ordered the shooting of anyone with a sniff.

[canta_brian]

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Lying cunts.

[Donny osmond]

Lying cunts.

Here Eug, what should I be thinking about this then... Scottish Govt emergency legislation to suspend trial by jury and treble FOI request time limit to 60 days.



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[Eugene Wrayburn]

There's not a massive amount of point in comparing raw numbers across countries it seems to me. What you can usefully look at is progression in other countries to predict progression in your own and the effect of certain restrictions. Obviously there are cultural differences and weird outliers - something decidedly weird is going on in Japan's numbers - which will affect all these things. The rate of doubling of deaths is probably the best indicator we have.

Anyway my favourite resource with apologies if it has already been shared is: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus# ... m-covid-19

Reported deaths though. Hang on I will quote the post and bring it forward.

If you aren't interested in actual deaths it doesn't matter that they are under-reporting as long as they do that consistently.

On the increase of deaths without them being attributed to Covid, you'd expect that with Health resources being swamped. Chemotherapies are being cancelled, ventilators are available for accident victims etc etc.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Lying cunts.

Here Eug, what should I be thinking about this then... Scottish Govt emergency legislation to suspend trial by jury and treble FOI request time limit to 60 days.



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FOI, meh. Civil Service is unlikely to have capacity to deal with anything at the moment anyway.

Is that all trials by jury? If so that's mental. In England there's just an acceptance that you have to delay. That might mean many defendants stay in custody for longer, but at least that's unconvicted.

[Mellsblue]

Another interesting read:

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... t-we-ready

[Tobylerone]

Lying cunts.

Here Eug, what should I be thinking about this then... Scottish Govt emergency legislation to suspend trial by jury and treble FOI request time limit to 60 days.



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FOI, meh. Civil Service is unlikely to have capacity to deal with anything at the moment anyway.

FOI.. ScotGov have a fair old number of skeletons in cupboards we don`t even know about.

It`s been difficult enough to get unredacted FOI under present rules, this will allow them to bury more of their shit.