RugbyRebels

cashead wrote: Paddington's seen some shit.

Yeah. Bless him.

Winnie the Pooh refused a blindfold in Red Dwarf. We all have a limit.

morepork wrote:Please tell me the Kremlin do not have legitimate presence on FaceBook, twitter et.al....

good luck.

Looks like sh*t or bust for VP in the east now;
will ego/fear of humiliation (and being removed..) override prospect of further massive losses in human and material terms, and tanking international standing.? seems past caring.
The number of persons directly affected (dead, disappeared, displaced) appears astronomical already.

The train station bombing, revenge for the Russian children written on the bomb, the power of propaganda

Slovakia has given its one S-300 SAM missile system to Ukraine. It has a radar range of 300km, and a missile range of 150km. It will force Russian planes to fly lower to avoid radar detection in its range, which then exposes them to MANPADs.

US and NATO will be providing live intelligence on where Russian planes are too.

NATO now having to work out if they continue to keep martial support to defensive systems only or start providing more advanced weaponry. Ukrainians don’t have much artillery ammunition left which is a problem as the calibre of their shells isn’t a nato one and old stocks are depleting fast. NATO could supply 155mm weapons but that would need training.

Should have considered this weeks ago and got on with it.

Galfon wrote:Looks like sh*t or bust for VP in the east now;
will ego/fear of humiliation (and being removed..) override prospect of further massive losses in human and material terms, and tanking international standing.? seems past caring.
The number of persons directly affected (dead, disappeared, displaced) appears astronomical already.

It totally is. He needs something he can signal as a victory. Expanding the size of the breakaway regions and claiming to have destroyed Ukrainian military capability might work with a lot of propaganda. Dictatorships don’t tend to survive failure for too long and he isn’t ignorant of that.

Boris takes a relaxing stroll through Kyiv


все буде Україна

What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?

morepork wrote:What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?

As a Welshman I guess the message they're both trying to send to Putin with such a stunt would be encapsulated by the phrase 'ry'n ni yma o hyd er gweitha pawb a phopeth.'

morepork wrote:What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?

Don’t panic. The Czech, Polish and Slovenian PMs have already wasted resources, time and contested airspace to visit Kyiv, as have a couple of the EU big wigs.
You might not be able to hear the mood music in Philly but the UK’s response to this ‘special military operation’ is actually close to, if not the, best in class as far as the Ukrainians and Volodymyr ‘Balls of Steel’ Zelenskyy are concerned:

https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/20 ... s-love-him

‘in a Facebook post, Andriy Sybiha, deputy head of the Ukrainian president’s office said: “The UK is the leader in defence support for Ukraine. The leader in the anti-war coalition. The leader in sanctions against the Russian aggressor.”’
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/en ... 2bd5537e2/

morepork wrote:What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?

While I have a great amount of disdain for Boris and regard him visiting people as a punishment rather than a boon, Kiev isn't really contested airspace anymore and I'd imagine we've informed the Russians of both his flight path and the repurcussions should they attack his flight. It's not really a big risk like it would've been a fortnight ago.

Puja

Have a drink every time this ranting dipshit checks off a tankie talking point. Literally fuck all the way off, Clare.

Mellsblue wrote:

morepork wrote:What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?

Don’t panic. The Czech, Polish and Slovenian PMs have already wasted resources, time and contested airspace to visit Kyiv, as have a couple of the EU big wigs.
You might not be able to hear the mood music in Philly but the UK’s response to this ‘special military operation’ is actually close to, if not the, best in class as far as the Ukrainians and Volodymyr ‘Balls of Steel’ Zelenskyy are concerned:

https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/20 ... s-love-him

‘in a Facebook post, Andriy Sybiha, deputy head of the Ukrainian president’s office said: “The UK is the leader in defence support for Ukraine. The leader in the anti-war coalition. The leader in sanctions against the Russian aggressor.”’
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/en ... 2bd5537e2/

No offense intended. Perhaps I have not heard the mood music. I do see a dick in a blue suit chasing some love online.

Puja wrote:

morepork wrote:What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?

While I have a great amount of disdain for Boris and regard him visiting people as a punishment rather than a boon, Kiev isn't really contested airspace anymore and I'd imagine we've informed the Russians of both his flight path and the repurcussions should they attack his flight. It's not really a big risk like it would've been a fortnight ago.

Puja

Plane to Poland and then car journey the rest of the way, allegedly. U.K. security bods wanted him out of the country before releasing details, pics etc but the Ukraine Embassy in the U.K. got a bit over excited.
Love the Ukraine govt’s Twitter post ‘because they bloody can’:

morepork wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

morepork wrote:What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?

Don’t panic. The Czech, Polish and Slovenian PMs have already wasted resources, time and contested airspace to visit Kyiv, as have a couple of the EU big wigs.
You might not be able to hear the mood music in Philly but the UK’s response to this ‘special military operation’ is actually close to, if not the, best in class as far as the Ukrainians and Volodymyr ‘Balls of Steel’ Zelenskyy are concerned:

https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/20 ... s-love-him

‘in a Facebook post, Andriy Sybiha, deputy head of the Ukrainian president’s office said: “The UK is the leader in defence support for Ukraine. The leader in the anti-war coalition. The leader in sanctions against the Russian aggressor.”’
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/en ... 2bd5537e2/

No offense intended. Perhaps I have not heard the mood music. I do see a dick in a blue suit chasing some love online.

No offence taken. You should treat any politicians actions with a healthy dose of scepticism and when it comes to the likes of Boris an unhealthy dose. I just feel that whilst the govt have rightly been given a shed load of bad press over refugees there should also be praise where it’s due. In this case we’ve led on intel, arms and sanctions.

Mellsblue wrote:

morepork wrote:What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?

Don’t panic. The Czech, Polish and Slovenian PMs have already wasted resources, time and contested airspace to visit Kyiv, as have a couple of the EU big wigs.
You might not be able to hear the mood music in Philly but the UK’s response to this ‘special military operation’ is actually close to, if not the, best in class as far as the Ukrainians and Volodymyr ‘Balls of Steel’ Zelenskyy are concerned:

https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/20 ... s-love-him

‘in a Facebook post, Andriy Sybiha, deputy head of the Ukrainian president’s office said: “The UK is the leader in defence support for Ukraine. The leader in the anti-war coalition. The leader in sanctions against the Russian aggressor.”’
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/en ... 2bd5537e2/

Sssshhhhh nothing must be written that doesn't show Boris or the UK in a negative light. This is the way.

In writing that, I have become a permanent and unforgivable apologist, but you must learn from my sacrifice.

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This account is definitely my favourite follow on Twitter at the moment:

morepork wrote:What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?

Because we have supplied a shit ton of weaponry to the Ukrainians. They aint stupid.

Mellsblue wrote:

morepork wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: Don’t panic. The Czech, Polish and Slovenian PMs have already wasted resources, time and contested airspace to visit Kyiv, as have a couple of the EU big wigs.
You might not be able to hear the mood music in Philly but the UK’s response to this ‘special military operation’ is actually close to, if not the, best in class as far as the Ukrainians and Volodymyr ‘Balls of Steel’ Zelenskyy are concerned:

https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/20 ... s-love-him

‘in a Facebook post, Andriy Sybiha, deputy head of the Ukrainian president’s office said: “The UK is the leader in defence support for Ukraine. The leader in the anti-war coalition. The leader in sanctions against the Russian aggressor.”’
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/en ... 2bd5537e2/

No offense intended. Perhaps I have not heard the mood music. I do see a dick in a blue suit chasing some love online.

No offence taken. You should treat any politicians actions with a healthy dose of scepticism and when it comes to the likes of Boris an unhealthy dose. I just feel that whilst the govt have rightly been given a shed load of bad press over refugees there should also be praise where it’s due. In this case we’ve led on intel, arms and sanctions.

Boris needs some positive optics and the Ukraininans need our weaponry. its a match made in convenience.

Sandydragon wrote:
Boris needs some positive optics and the Ukraininans need our weaponry. its a match made in convenience.

Not convinced it’s all about optics - polls are overwhelming in favour of taking in more refugees - just that it’s in his wheelhouse. Covid was about interpreting detail and being cautious, this about being a bit gung-ho, sod the consequences and let’s be positive. He’s also always been very critical of appeasement. Now, if we get into the cagey territory of teetering on the edge of provoking nuclear war we might hope covid has taught him some lessons….

Mellsblue wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:
Boris needs some positive optics and the Ukraininans need our weaponry. its a match made in convenience.

Not convinced it’s all about optics - polls are overwhelming in favour of taking in more refugees - just that it’s in his wheelhouse. Covid was about interpreting detail and being cautious, this about being a bit gung-ho, sod the consequences and let’s be positive. He’s also always been very critical of appeasement. Now, if we get into the cagey territory of teetering on the edge of provoking nuclear war we might hope covid has taught him some lessons….

Disagree. Only a few weeks ago he was trying to guess how many letters the Chair of the 1922 Committee had received so anything that makes him look statesmanlike is to be grabbed with both hands.Ukraine has allowed him to rebuild his own brand and following the weekends revelations, Sunak is dead in the water for a while so Boris is flying high again.

Sandydragon wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:
Boris needs some positive optics and the Ukraininans need our weaponry. its a match made in convenience.

Not convinced it’s all about optics - polls are overwhelming in favour of taking in more refugees - just that it’s in his wheelhouse. Covid was about interpreting detail and being cautious, this about being a bit gung-ho, sod the consequences and let’s be positive. He’s also always been very critical of appeasement. Now, if we get into the cagey territory of teetering on the edge of provoking nuclear war we might hope covid has taught him some lessons….

Disagree. Only a few weeks ago he was trying to guess how many letters the Chair of the 1922 Committee had received so anything that makes him look statesmanlike is to be grabbed with both hands.Ukraine has allowed him to rebuild his own brand and following the weekends revelations, Sunak is dead in the water for a while so Boris is flying high again.

Everything in his previous writings and actions would point to this response but won’t get into an argument about it.

So Boris has good optics while Ukrainian families shelter in basements with their dead. Marvelous.