Europe - in or out - RR Votes

[Sandydragon]

"Project Fear" is alive and well - with the abuse of immigrants.
I posted the first part of this elsewhere on Friday, but not here as it would have been a significant side-track from the discussion at the time; but now... I kinda want the story told.
Alison moved over from France 19 years ago respecting the country for being progressive, multicultural, integrated etc.

She's been told twice last week that she's "one of the nice immigrants, it's the others we want rid of" and once (Friday) that "the country has spoken and we don't want you here". This morning Ali was at work alone, and someone came in specifically to shout "Fukk off out of our country" before running away. Reducing her to tears.
We've also heard directly from patients (specifically 2 Italians and a German) who've had similar situations within Tewkesbury.
I have written to our MP asking him to publicly condemn such behaviour as some people really do seem to think it socially acceptable now.

I also don't know what to do personally. Obviously, I have come into work just to be present on the front desk - and I am wearing my France rugby top.
If it happens again I know full well that I would want to chase the tw@ down the street; but that can only aggaravate things. I've also considered getting a CCTV system to cover reception - which is considered a public space and I believe I'd need a licence to do so; and that it would be illegal to shame people by putting anything it caught up on facebook regardless.

A guy at work came up to me on Saturday morning and told me 'you have to go home now'

He knows I'm a kiwi but doesn't actually know I'm here on a German passport which is interesting. Anyway I flared up a bit and he back pedalled.

I've always been spoken to as on of the 'good immigrants' maybe now any immigrant is a target? I have to say the stuff the Poms have said about the Eastern Europeans in the factory in front of me is disgraceful. Nearby Bognor Regis is packed with Polish migrants who were already dispised, god knows what it will be like there now. There were Polish girls crying at work on Friday for what people had been saying to them. If this keeps up I don't want anything to do with the UK or its people. I hope NZ and Australia share my view.

My girlfriend and her friends copped it on Sunday whilst at the pubs. All raised in American, speaking English, but from different backgrounds; she's from Bolivia (on a German passport), a friend from Vietnam, Hong Kong, India (all on highly skilled work visas). On 2 occasions people made disparaging remarks.

She's devastated, can't wait to leave.

People can go on about how so and so hasn't addressed the concern of middle England, but guess what? Its not a real concern, its just pandering to bigotry. By attempting to acknowledge immigration as a problem all you do is justify people's hatred for minorities. That box is opened now. It doesn't matter now whether people are on work visa's, British passports or whatever; if you sound different you shouldn't be here. I guess I need to apologise my friends and I have ruined English "culture".

What is happening to immigrants is sickening and the police should investigate and prosecute.

But, the Blair government attempted to sweep peoples concerns under the carpet, and that led to problems. This issue needs to be discussed; there are problems caused by a lack of resources in many areas and whilst much of the concern may just be poor perception, that doesn't negate the fact that uncontrolled immigration has been a problem in many areas. Do you think that a classroom full of children who all speak different languages who can't effectively be taught isn't a problem? How about police budgets that are spent on translators instead of other operational areas?

The racist morons who are insulting and attacking immigrants are scum. BY not acknowledging the problem you are driving it underground and into the hands of the BNP and other loathsome parties. It needs to be addressed in a calm manner; if some people are incapable of doing that then there are laws that can be used to deal with them.

[Sandydragon]

This is not the fault of immigrants, its the fault of the government for not allocating additional resources to deal with it, or otherwise limit the flow into britain. It doesn't justify attacks on immigrants, but you cant deny that there is a problem caused by local services being overwhelmed.

'Home Office researchers have assessed for the first time the ground-level impact of immigration on British communities by conducting a survey of local authorities and service providers.
They found that immigrants were likely to lead to longer waiting times at GP surgeries, be involved in anti-social behaviour and create pest control issues because of overcrowding.
Mark Harper, the immigration minister, said: “This report highlights the significant impact high levels of migration have had on UK communities.
"It emphasises the importance of protecting our public services and taking a robust approach against those who come here to exploit our welfare system.
“While we have always recognised and believed in the benefits of immigration, uncontrolled immigration causes a number of problems for the United Kingdom.

"If we do not implement the proper controls, communities can be damaged, resources will be stretched and the benefits that immigration can bring are lost or forgotten.”
More than 2.2million people from the EU and 2.4million from outside the EU live and work in Britain.
The Home Office study found that half of people in England and Wales live in an area hit by high levels of migration.
The report found that while most immigrants were based in London and the South East, they had the biggest impact on industrial towns with high levels of unemployment such as Rotherham and Oldham.
Towns with high levels of migrant workers such as Norfolk, Lincolnshire and Lancashire were also likely experience an increased burden on local services.
The researchers surveyed 80 local authorities and service providers on a variety of issues such as health, housing and social cohesion. Their responses were assessed by a panel of 12 experts.
They found that asylum seekers were likely to put the greatest strain on the health system.
Researchers found they are more likely to suffer from depression, anxiety and mental illness, while immigrants in general were more likely to suffer from tuberculosis, HIV and and Hepatitis B.
"This suggests the treatment costs for certain conditions and diseases may be disproportionately attributable to immigrants," the report says.
Migrants also have more children than people in Britain, creating "additional demands for midwifery, maternity and health visiting services".
Their poor levels of English meant that GP appointments took "appreciably longer", leading to longer waiting times for other patients and increasing costs.
Local authorities raised concerns that in some areas demand for primary school places "outstripped supply" because of the number of immigrants, while social services experienced "higher interpretation costs".
The researchers also warned that the rise in the number of immigrants was leading to more people living in overcrowded, poor quality accommodation, described as "beds in sheds".
The report found: "Secondary effects of high migrant demand at the bottom end of the private rental market were poor quality, overcrowded accommodation, inflated rents, exploitations by unscrupulous landlords, waste management and pest control issues that can quickly spread, and a growing number of beds in sheds."
Some local authorities said that destitute migrants and asylum seekers were "disproportionately involved in crimes like shoplifting and disorderly behaviour".
Asylum seekers, refugees and low-skilled migrant workers were also found to cause tensions in communities because of anti-social behaviour.
It found that low-skilled migrants had taken to drinking in the street because it was the "cultural norm" in their home country.
However, most local authorities said that low-skilled migrant workers were seen as having a "positive" effect on the local economy, particularly when they did "hard to fill jobs".

[Numbers]

This is not the fault of immigrants, its the fault of the government for not allocating additional resources to deal with it, or otherwise limit the flow into britain. It doesn't justify attacks on immigrants, but you cant deny that there is a problem caused by local services being overwhelmed.

'Home Office researchers have assessed for the first time the ground-level impact of immigration on British communities by conducting a survey of local authorities and service providers.
They found that immigrants were likely to lead to longer waiting times at GP surgeries, be involved in anti-social behaviour and create pest control issues because of overcrowding.
Mark Harper, the immigration minister, said: “This report highlights the significant impact high levels of migration have had on UK communities.
"It emphasises the importance of protecting our public services and taking a robust approach against those who come here to exploit our welfare system.
“While we have always recognised and believed in the benefits of immigration, uncontrolled immigration causes a number of problems for the United Kingdom.

"If we do not implement the proper controls, communities can be damaged, resources will be stretched and the benefits that immigration can bring are lost or forgotten.”
More than 2.2million people from the EU and 2.4million from outside the EU live and work in Britain.
The Home Office study found that half of people in England and Wales live in an area hit by high levels of migration.
The report found that while most immigrants were based in London and the South East, they had the biggest impact on industrial towns with high levels of unemployment such as Rotherham and Oldham.
Towns with high levels of migrant workers such as Norfolk, Lincolnshire and Lancashire were also likely experience an increased burden on local services.
The researchers surveyed 80 local authorities and service providers on a variety of issues such as health, housing and social cohesion. Their responses were assessed by a panel of 12 experts.
They found that asylum seekers were likely to put the greatest strain on the health system.
Researchers found they are more likely to suffer from depression, anxiety and mental illness, while immigrants in general were more likely to suffer from tuberculosis, HIV and and Hepatitis B.
"This suggests the treatment costs for certain conditions and diseases may be disproportionately attributable to immigrants," the report says.
Migrants also have more children than people in Britain, creating "additional demands for midwifery, maternity and health visiting services".
Their poor levels of English meant that GP appointments took "appreciably longer", leading to longer waiting times for other patients and increasing costs.
Local authorities raised concerns that in some areas demand for primary school places "outstripped supply" because of the number of immigrants, while social services experienced "higher interpretation costs".
The researchers also warned that the rise in the number of immigrants was leading to more people living in overcrowded, poor quality accommodation, described as "beds in sheds".
The report found: "Secondary effects of high migrant demand at the bottom end of the private rental market were poor quality, overcrowded accommodation, inflated rents, exploitations by unscrupulous landlords, waste management and pest control issues that can quickly spread, and a growing number of beds in sheds."
Some local authorities said that destitute migrants and asylum seekers were "disproportionately involved in crimes like shoplifting and disorderly behaviour".
Asylum seekers, refugees and low-skilled migrant workers were also found to cause tensions in communities because of anti-social behaviour.
It found that low-skilled migrants had taken to drinking in the street because it was the "cultural norm" in their home country.
However, most local authorities said that low-skilled migrant workers were seen as having a "positive" effect on the local economy, particularly when they did "hard to fill jobs".

Regarding the highlighted point, what is the author referring to?

[Sandydragon]

This is not the fault of immigrants, its the fault of the government for not allocating additional resources to deal with it, or otherwise limit the flow into britain. It doesn't justify attacks on immigrants, but you cant deny that there is a problem caused by local services being overwhelmed.

'Home Office researchers have assessed for the first time the ground-level impact of immigration on British communities by conducting a survey of local authorities and service providers.
They found that immigrants were likely to lead to longer waiting times at GP surgeries, be involved in anti-social behaviour and create pest control issues because of overcrowding.
Mark Harper, the immigration minister, said: “This report highlights the significant impact high levels of migration have had on UK communities.
"It emphasises the importance of protecting our public services and taking a robust approach against those who come here to exploit our welfare system.
“While we have always recognised and believed in the benefits of immigration, uncontrolled immigration causes a number of problems for the United Kingdom.

"If we do not implement the proper controls, communities can be damaged, resources will be stretched and the benefits that immigration can bring are lost or forgotten.”
More than 2.2million people from the EU and 2.4million from outside the EU live and work in Britain.
The Home Office study found that half of people in England and Wales live in an area hit by high levels of migration.
The report found that while most immigrants were based in London and the South East, they had the biggest impact on industrial towns with high levels of unemployment such as Rotherham and Oldham.
Towns with high levels of migrant workers such as Norfolk, Lincolnshire and Lancashire were also likely experience an increased burden on local services.
The researchers surveyed 80 local authorities and service providers on a variety of issues such as health, housing and social cohesion. Their responses were assessed by a panel of 12 experts.
They found that asylum seekers were likely to put the greatest strain on the health system.
Researchers found they are more likely to suffer from depression, anxiety and mental illness, while immigrants in general were more likely to suffer from tuberculosis, HIV and and Hepatitis B.
"This suggests the treatment costs for certain conditions and diseases may be disproportionately attributable to immigrants," the report says.
Migrants also have more children than people in Britain, creating "additional demands for midwifery, maternity and health visiting services".
Their poor levels of English meant that GP appointments took "appreciably longer", leading to longer waiting times for other patients and increasing costs.
Local authorities raised concerns that in some areas demand for primary school places "outstripped supply" because of the number of immigrants, while social services experienced "higher interpretation costs".
The researchers also warned that the rise in the number of immigrants was leading to more people living in overcrowded, poor quality accommodation, described as "beds in sheds".
The report found: "Secondary effects of high migrant demand at the bottom end of the private rental market were poor quality, overcrowded accommodation, inflated rents, exploitations by unscrupulous landlords, waste management and pest control issues that can quickly spread, and a growing number of beds in sheds."
Some local authorities said that destitute migrants and asylum seekers were "disproportionately involved in crimes like shoplifting and disorderly behaviour".
Asylum seekers, refugees and low-skilled migrant workers were also found to cause tensions in communities because of anti-social behaviour.
It found that low-skilled migrants had taken to drinking in the street because it was the "cultural norm" in their home country.
However, most local authorities said that low-skilled migrant workers were seen as having a "positive" effect on the local economy, particularly when they did "hard to fill jobs".

Regarding the highlighted point, what is the author referring to?

Not sure, there is no further information on that matter. The article referred to a Home Office report, which probably has more detail and I'll have a look at finding it at some point.

UK family sizes are pretty low so its not a huge surprise that immigrants from other countries will potentially have more children.

[Sandydragon]

The article didn't reference the actual report, but given the dates, I think this is it.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... horr72.pdf

[Numbers]

This is not the fault of immigrants, its the fault of the government for not allocating additional resources to deal with it, or otherwise limit the flow into britain. It doesn't justify attacks on immigrants, but you cant deny that there is a problem caused by local services being overwhelmed.

'Home Office researchers have assessed for the first time the ground-level impact of immigration on British communities by conducting a survey of local authorities and service providers.
They found that immigrants were likely to lead to longer waiting times at GP surgeries, be involved in anti-social behaviour and create pest control issues because of overcrowding.
Mark Harper, the immigration minister, said: “This report highlights the significant impact high levels of migration have had on UK communities.
"It emphasises the importance of protecting our public services and taking a robust approach against those who come here to exploit our welfare system.
“While we have always recognised and believed in the benefits of immigration, uncontrolled immigration causes a number of problems for the United Kingdom.

"If we do not implement the proper controls, communities can be damaged, resources will be stretched and the benefits that immigration can bring are lost or forgotten.”
More than 2.2million people from the EU and 2.4million from outside the EU live and work in Britain.
The Home Office study found that half of people in England and Wales live in an area hit by high levels of migration.
The report found that while most immigrants were based in London and the South East, they had the biggest impact on industrial towns with high levels of unemployment such as Rotherham and Oldham.
Towns with high levels of migrant workers such as Norfolk, Lincolnshire and Lancashire were also likely experience an increased burden on local services.
The researchers surveyed 80 local authorities and service providers on a variety of issues such as health, housing and social cohesion. Their responses were assessed by a panel of 12 experts.
They found that asylum seekers were likely to put the greatest strain on the health system.
Researchers found they are more likely to suffer from depression, anxiety and mental illness, while immigrants in general were more likely to suffer from tuberculosis, HIV and and Hepatitis B.
"This suggests the treatment costs for certain conditions and diseases may be disproportionately attributable to immigrants," the report says.
Migrants also have more children than people in Britain, creating "additional demands for midwifery, maternity and health visiting services".
Their poor levels of English meant that GP appointments took "appreciably longer", leading to longer waiting times for other patients and increasing costs.
Local authorities raised concerns that in some areas demand for primary school places "outstripped supply" because of the number of immigrants, while social services experienced "higher interpretation costs".
The researchers also warned that the rise in the number of immigrants was leading to more people living in overcrowded, poor quality accommodation, described as "beds in sheds".
The report found: "Secondary effects of high migrant demand at the bottom end of the private rental market were poor quality, overcrowded accommodation, inflated rents, exploitations by unscrupulous landlords, waste management and pest control issues that can quickly spread, and a growing number of beds in sheds."
Some local authorities said that destitute migrants and asylum seekers were "disproportionately involved in crimes like shoplifting and disorderly behaviour".
Asylum seekers, refugees and low-skilled migrant workers were also found to cause tensions in communities because of anti-social behaviour.
It found that low-skilled migrants had taken to drinking in the street because it was the "cultural norm" in their home country.
However, most local authorities said that low-skilled migrant workers were seen as having a "positive" effect on the local economy, particularly when they did "hard to fill jobs".

Regarding the highlighted point, what is the author referring to?

Not sure, there is no further information on that matter. The article referred to a Home Office report, which probably has more detail and I'll have a look at finding it at some point.

UK family sizes are pretty low so its not a huge surprise that immigrants from other countries will potentially have more children.

It would suggest to me they are talking about the Somalian community, the main proportion of whom are refugees afaik.

[Sandydragon]

Regarding the highlighted point, what is the author referring to?

Not sure, there is no further information on that matter. The article referred to a Home Office report, which probably has more detail and I'll have a look at finding it at some point.

UK family sizes are pretty low so its not a huge surprise that immigrants from other countries will potentially have more children.

It would suggest to me they are talking about the Somalian community, the main proportion of whom are refugees afaik.

Quite possibly. And of course that is a different situation to EU migration, although that point isn't always understood.

[Numbers]

Not sure, there is no further information on that matter. The article referred to a Home Office report, which probably has more detail and I'll have a look at finding it at some point.

UK family sizes are pretty low so its not a huge surprise that immigrants from other countries will potentially have more children.

It would suggest to me they are talking about the Somalian community, the main proportion of whom are refugees afaik.

Quite possibly. And of course that is a different situation to EU migration, although that point isn't always understood.

Aye, it seems by the majority of leave voters.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

"Project Fear" is alive and well - with the abuse of immigrants.
I posted the first part of this elsewhere on Friday, but not here as it would have been a significant side-track from the discussion at the time; but now... I kinda want the story told.
Alison moved over from France 19 years ago respecting the country for being progressive, multicultural, integrated etc.

She's been told twice last week that she's "one of the nice immigrants, it's the others we want rid of" and once (Friday) that "the country has spoken and we don't want you here". This morning Ali was at work alone, and someone came in specifically to shout "Fukk off out of our country" before running away. Reducing her to tears.
We've also heard directly from patients (specifically 2 Italians and a German) who've had similar situations within Tewkesbury.
I have written to our MP asking him to publicly condemn such behaviour as some people really do seem to think it socially acceptable now.

I also don't know what to do personally. Obviously, I have come into work just to be present on the front desk - and I am wearing my France rugby top.
If it happens again I know full well that I would want to chase the tw@ down the street; but that can only aggaravate things. I've also considered getting a CCTV system to cover reception - which is considered a public space and I believe I'd need a licence to do so; and that it would be illegal to shame people by putting anything it caught up on facebook regardless.

A guy at work came up to me on Saturday morning and told me 'you have to go home now'

He knows I'm a kiwi but doesn't actually know I'm here on a German passport which is interesting. Anyway I flared up a bit and he back pedalled.

I've always been spoken to as on of the 'good immigrants' maybe now any immigrant is a target? I have to say the stuff the Poms have said about the Eastern Europeans in the factory in front of me is disgraceful. Nearby Bognor Regis is packed with Polish migrants who were already dispised, god knows what it will be like there now. There were Polish girls crying at work on Friday for what people had been saying to them. If this keeps up I don't want anything to do with the UK or its people. I hope NZ and Australia share my view.

Jesus fuck. Gents that's appalling. It makes me ashamed to be British and I'd have been tempted not to renew my British passport if it hadn't just been posted. But it's ok because Boris and UG say these fucknuckles were voting leave because of deep consideration of the constitutional issues.

[Zhivago]

Not all of the electorate should be treated equally. Most of those who voted for Brexit are utterly contempible, driven by a propaganda-induced xenophobic, nationalistic lust for pride, because they have nothing of their self to be proud of.

[bruce]

Not all of the electorate should be treated equally. Most of those who voted for Brexit are utterly comtempible, driven by a propaganda-induced xenophobic, nationalistic lust for pride, because they have nothing of their self to be proud of.

Tw@t. Get the feck over it you whinging numbnuts.

[Digby]

Not all of the electorate should be treated equally. Most of those who voted for Brexit are utterly comtempible, driven by a propaganda-induced xenophobic, nationalistic lust for pride, because they have nothing of their self to be proud of.

They've got their lovely football team to hold up as examples, well the Welsh ones do anyway

[Donny osmond]

Not all of the electorate should be treated equally. Most of those who voted for Brexit are utterly comtempible, driven by a propaganda-induced xenophobic, nationalistic lust for pride, because they have nothing of their self to be proud of.

Really? Met them all have you?

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[Sandydragon]

Not all of the electorate should be treated equally. Most of those who voted for Brexit are utterly comtempible, driven by a propaganda-induced xenophobic, nationalistic lust for pride, because they have nothing of their self to be proud of.

And the reward for the most peevish post written by a teenager goes to.....

[Zhivago]

Not all of the electorate should be treated equally. Most of those who voted for Brexit are utterly comtempible, driven by a propaganda-induced xenophobic, nationalistic lust for pride, because they have nothing of their self to be proud of.

Really? Met them all have you?

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1) It's my perception
2) I said most, not all.

[Zhivago]

Not all of the electorate should be treated equally. Most of those who voted for Brexit are utterly comtempible, driven by a propaganda-induced xenophobic, nationalistic lust for pride, because they have nothing of their self to be proud of.

And the reward for the most peevish post written by a teenager goes to.....

Oh don't get me started on teenagers... recent poll estimated turnout of 18-24yr olds at a shockingly low 36%. Those who didn't vote are also utterly contemptible.

[UGagain]

Not all of the electorate should be treated equally. Most of those who voted for Brexit are utterly comtempible, driven by a propaganda-induced xenophobic, nationalistic lust for pride, because they have nothing of their self to be proud of.

Says the Russophobic fascist sympathiser. You'd sell your own grandmother.

[Zhivago]

Not all of the electorate should be treated equally. Most of those who voted for Brexit are utterly comtempible, driven by a propaganda-induced xenophobic, nationalistic lust for pride, because they have nothing of their self to be proud of.

Says the Russophobic fascist sympathiser. You'd sell your own grandmother.

I'm Russophobe? That must be why I have a Russian friend as a witness for my wedding...

[Which Tyler]

"Project Fear" is alive and well - with the abuse of immigrants.
etc etc.

I'm sure you'll all be amazed that this has been eating at me a bit.
I have reported the abuse to my MP, and asked him to publicly condemn such behaviour; I have also reported it to the police who are logging it for statistical purposes, but otherwise there's not a lot they can do - which is important in and of itself. My MP has so far condemned the behaviour... in a private email to myself, but nothing seems to have appeared in the press, twitter or facebook. The cops are sending a community officer around to talk about CCTV type options.

This stuff is happening, and far worse than Ali and I have suffered, and twitter / facebook seems to be full of people witnessing abuse, sitting there quietly and tweeting about how awful it was.

IMO it is incumbent upon all of us to actively object to abuse; to (intellectually) confront and challenge the abuser, to publicly offer our support to the victim we have just witnessed; and to do so in a way that leaves no doubt in the abuser's mind that their behaviour was unacceptable.
Currently the racists and biggots seem to think that the leave vote is a mandate to spout their hatred. It is no such thing; and we all need to make this point to them.

There is a petition at change.org asking the home office to condemn the behaviour; pity it's not on petition.parliament.uk, but there we go.
I urge anyone on here to sign that petition; to email their MP to publicly oppose biggotry; and I would urge anyone who actually witnesses abuse to step up and confront it. I urge victims to report it, to their MP and to the police.
As Edmund Burke said "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".

[Banquo]

"Project Fear" is alive and well - with the abuse of immigrants.
etc etc.

I'm sure you'll all be amazed that this has been eating at me a bit.
I have reported the abuse to my MP, and asked him to publicly condemn such behaviour; I have also reported it to the police who are logging it for statistical purposes, but otherwise there's not a lot they can do - which is important in and of itself. My MP has so far condemned the behaviour... in a private email to myself, but nothing seems to have appeared in the press, twitter or facebook. The cops are sending a community officer around to talk about CCTV type options.

This stuff is happening, and far worse than Ali and I have suffered, and twitter / facebook seems to be full of people witnessing abuse, sitting there quietly and tweeting about how awful it was.

IMO it is incumbent upon all of us to actively object to abuse; to (intellectually) confront and challenge the abuser, to publicly offer our support to the victim we have just witnessed; and to do so in a way that leaves no doubt in the abuser's mind that their behaviour was unacceptable.
Currently the racists and biggots seem to think that the leave vote is a mandate to spout their hatred. It is no such thing; and we all need to make this point to them.

There is a petition at change.org asking the home office to condemn the behaviour; pity it's not on petition.parliament.uk, but there we go.
I urge anyone on here to sign that petition; to email their MP to publicly oppose biggotry; and I would urge anyone who actually witnesses abuse to step up and confront it. I urge victims to report it, to their MP and to the police.
As Edmund Burke said "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".

Agreed and on it.

Another puzzling thing- the Albanian car washers at the gym I go to all voted leave (presume they somehow had dual citizenry). Go figure.

[Stones of granite]

Any of you betting chaps any idea if the bookies are taking bets on when, or even if, the UK Government follows through on Article 50 formal notification.

I have a sneaky feeling it is going to be kicked down the road ad infinitum

[Digby]

Another puzzling thing- the Albanian car washers at the gym I go to all voted leave (presume they somehow had dual citizenry). Go figure.

I'd imagine that's a very common thing that new arrived migrants are amongst those most likely to want to see controls on new migrants to protect their own jobs/incomes.

[kk67]

I have a sneaky feeling it is going to be kicked down the road ad infinitum

It looks like the EU aren't gonna play that game.
The UK is like the boy who has a tantrum about nothing and takes his ball home with him. Except this time his mates are waving him goodbye because they've got another ball.

[Digby]

Any of you betting chaps any idea if the bookies are taking bets on when, or even if, the UK Government follows through on Article 50 formal notification.

I have a sneaky feeling it is going to be kicked down the road ad infinitum

One wonders what the UKIP election campaign will be fought on if Article 50 hasn't been invoked

Actually I think we do need to remove quite quickly on this, I may have hatred in my heart for the result but such is democracy, and we need to remove the uncertainty for us and for the EU asap, and I keep going back to this but BRexit need to tell us what they want to negotiate in the existing treaties as a sodding starting point.

[Banquo]

Any of you betting chaps any idea if the bookies are taking bets on when, or even if, the UK Government follows through on Article 50 formal notification.

I have a sneaky feeling it is going to be kicked down the road ad infinitum

I think that's why Dave did what he did, as his parting shot at redemption, whilst simultaneously shafting Bozlar