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Which Tyler wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 10:43 am Just read this last page...
Slow news day huh?

Timbo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 10:49 am Really not all that surprised that Steward has reasonable speed over slightly longer distances. Think that’s always been evident. It’s more lateral speed, acceleration from walk/standing etc that he’s struggled a bit with.

Opposite is true of Nowell.

Danno wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:51 am

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 10:04 am (or that he should play on the fucking wing either, if Eddie's listening)

You've gone and monkey pawed it.

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 1:19 pm

Timbo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 10:49 am Really not all that surprised that Steward has reasonable speed over slightly longer distances. Think that’s always been evident. It’s more lateral speed, acceleration from walk/standing etc that he’s struggled a bit with.

Opposite is true of Nowell.

Steward's big and tall, not the easiest to get that combination moving quickly. When he's going though he's got that long stride that really eats up the ground.

If you look at elite sprinters, the tall ones tend to be comparably slow out the blocks. Bolt was never ahead after 20m, by 80m he'd have decimated the field.

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:18 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 1:19 pm

Timbo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 10:49 am Really not all that surprised that Steward has reasonable speed over slightly longer distances. Think that’s always been evident. It’s more lateral speed, acceleration from walk/standing etc that he’s struggled a bit with.

Opposite is true of Nowell.

Steward's big and tall, not the easiest to get that combination moving quickly. When he's going though he's got that long stride that really eats up the ground.

If you look at elite sprinters, the tall ones tend to be comparably slow out the blocks. Bolt was never ahead after 20m, by 80m he'd have decimated the field.

That feels like you are gaslighting us into believing Steward=Bolt

p/d wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:54 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:18 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 1:19 pm

Steward's big and tall, not the easiest to get that combination moving quickly. When he's going though he's got that long stride that really eats up the ground.

If you look at elite sprinters, the tall ones tend to be comparably slow out the blocks. Bolt was never ahead after 20m, by 80m he'd have decimated the field.

That feels like you are gaslighting us into believing Steward=Bolt

Usain he isn't?

Spiffy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:14 pm A lengthy discussion seems to have kicked off from an fairly innocuous little comment I made above, simply that I thought Steward looked faster than I previously imagined. That's all. A subjective observation. No claims at all that he is a real flier, wing material, among the fastest players in the team, or anything else. Perhaps I should have used the term "not as slow" to preclude the predictable knee jerk reactions triggered by the word-association use of "Steward" and "faster" in the same sentence.

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 9:18 am

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:56 am

Mellsblue wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:49 am
Steward has turned and in to his running stride before Carreras has even picked up the ball. It’s a significant head start. If it’s not, then we should no longer consider Carreras as a fast winger. Steward has many qualities but pace isn’t one of them.

I'm not quite sure what point you're making here, so I'm reluctant to try and argue it!

Regardless of starting point, head starts, and angles, when they are both in full flight, Steward is keeping pace and then gaining on Carreras, forcing him wide to evade him. It seems bizarre to say "pace isn't one of Steward's qualities" when he's just demonstrated some pretty solid pace. Is it not more sensible to reassess our understanding of Steward's top-end speed (and praise him for clearly developing a weakness) than to look for reasons to downgrade Carreras?

Puja

I really enjoy the activity that internationals bring to the board, and how as the meaningful discussion dries up in the week you reach a point where you have people saying they were impressed by something only to be told that no, they were in fact not impressed at all.

I feel like pace not historically being one of Steward’s qualities is the whole basic of people saying they were impressed with his speed. It doesn’t make me want to shift him to the wing or anything, but it’s nice to see.

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:17 pm

Danno wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:51 am

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 10:04 am (or that he should play on the fucking wing either, if Eddie's listening)

You've gone and monkey pawed it.

He had a stint in a game there last year...not pretty.

Danno wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:09 am

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:17 pm

Danno wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:51 am

You've gone and monkey pawed it.

He had a stint in a game there last year...not pretty.

Something we'd rather forget then

FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:55 amOakboy, Watson has been struggling with injury and last night was one of the few occasions he's been fit and showing form so far for Tigers. Hopefully it continues up to the 6N and he might get a recall then.

p/d wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 9:23 am Or that Oakboy is not so much as suggesting he should be running out today but more that both Daly and Watson would be part of our best back 3

FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 9:28 am

p/d wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 9:23 am Or that Oakboy is not so much as suggesting he should be running out today but more that both Daly and Watson would be part of our best back 3

I agree on Watson being in our best back three I was just adding the context for anyone who watched last night and was wondering how Eddie had managed to overlook him.

p/d wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 9:43 am

FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 9:28 am

p/d wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 9:23 am Or that Oakboy is not so much as suggesting he should be running out today but more that both Daly and Watson would be part of our best back 3

I agree on Watson being in our best back three I was just adding the context for anyone who watched last night and was wondering how Eddie had managed to overlook him.

Absolutely. And yes he needs a good run of form before being considered. Jones continues to make endless odd decisions, but overlooking Watson is not one of them

FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:55 am

Danno wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:09 am

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:17 pm

He had a stint in a game there last year...not pretty.

Something we'd rather forget then

Didn't he start on the wing Vs France and one of our few good attacking outlets on the day was kicking for him to compete. He won everything in the air.

Never want to see him on the wing again though.

Oakboy, Watson has been struggling with injury and last night was one of the few occasions he's been fit and showing form so far for Tigers. Hopefully it continues up to the 6N and he might get a recall then.

Mellsblue wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:22 pm

Spiffy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:14 pm A lengthy discussion seems to have kicked off from an fairly innocuous little comment I made above, simply that I thought Steward looked faster than I previously imagined. That's all. A subjective observation. No claims at all that he is a real flier, wing material, among the fastest players in the team, or anything else. Perhaps I should have used the term "not as slow" to preclude the predictable knee jerk reactions triggered by the word-association use of "Steward" and "faster" in the same sentence.

Narcissist

Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:15 am

FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:55 am

Danno wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:09 am

Something we'd rather forget then

Didn't he start on the wing Vs France and one of our few good attacking outlets on the day was kicking for him to compete. He won everything in the air.

Never want to see him on the wing again though.

Oakboy, Watson has been struggling with injury and last night was one of the few occasions he's been fit and showing form so far for Tigers. Hopefully it continues up to the 6N and he might get a recall then.

He also ended up there in one of eddies back switcheroos in the AI's and looked utterly wasted out there and uncomfortable.

FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:28 am

Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:15 am

FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:55 am

Didn't he start on the wing Vs France and one of our few good attacking outlets on the day was kicking for him to compete. He won everything in the air.

Never want to see him on the wing again though.

Oakboy, Watson has been struggling with injury and last night was one of the few occasions he's been fit and showing form so far for Tigers. Hopefully it continues up to the 6N and he might get a recall then.

He also ended up there in one of eddies back switcheroos in the AI's and looked utterly wasted out there and uncomfortable.

I'd only consider Watson a winger internationally.

16th man wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:18 pm Somewhat chastening watching Italy look significantly more bright and inventive than us.

Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:40 pm

16th man wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 1:18 pm Somewhat chastening watching Italy look significantly more bright and inventive than us.

Yep tho Oz are dire tbf