Clinton

[rowan]

The multi-trillion dollar Military Industrial Complex needs a state of permanent warfare to feed it and the Clinton's are very much tied up in that. There isn't a war Hillary has said 'no' to, in fact. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Sudan, support for the Saudis in Yemen (and despite the fact she knew Saudi was behind ISIS), suppot for the Israelis in Gaza, support for the coups in Ukraine and Honduras. But about half of Americans don't even know this, and the other half just don't care. Moreover, the mainstream media is totally behind Clinton. I don't think there has ever been such one-sided coverage of an election campaign. All the attention is on the Trump scandals, and at least some of the allegations are full of holes. But, even if they were all true, hypothetically-speaking, as undeniably reprehensible as that would be, it simply cannot compare to complicity in the deaths of millions of men, women and children in the Middle East. & I'm only talking about her war crimes here. Let's not even get into the email scandals and her alleged bullying tactics in defending a child rapist during her law career. This isn't an election; it's a complete farce, and everyone can see it. Trump is the fall-guy. Clinton is the deep state's chosen candidate, and she will be their representative just as she is now and always has been since entering the political arena. Meanwhile Clinton's talking up the looming confrontation with Russia and insisting that Assad must go. We could quite conceivably be sleep-walking into WWIII here. For certain, American foreign policy will not improve, and watching this charade to elect a known war criminal unfolding, I'm gaining a real insight into how it was that Hitler came to power...

[WaspInWales]

Any thoughts on round 3?

Again, I think Clinton is wiping the floor with the Donald in terms of ability to construct coherent sentences on the topic being discussed.

Let me tell you. You know it, I know it and everyone knows it.

*various hand gestures*

What a fucking travesty that the future of the world rests on these cunts. A seasoned politician* and an absolute fuckwitted cockwomble (nice adjective MP).

For the avoidance of doubt * = liar, war criminal, federal criminal, Wall Street sympathiser, racketeer, criminal, etc, etc.

[bruce]

Jebus she has a nasally whiney voice.

Having never been to America, do all Americans struggle to speak English and construct sentences? They are generally English words (albeit with a few exceptions in the case of Trump) but the order seems all wrong.

Anyway America is fecked either way.

[rowan]

Don't get me wrong, I despise Trump almost as much as I despise Clinton, but I simply don't regard him as anything more than an actor. He's never come across as a genuine politician to me, and many highly respected commentators have arrived at the same conclusion, including Michael Moore who suggested Trump doesn't even want the presidency. If there is one positive to come out of this election, it is that anyone with a fully-functioning brain must now be able to see that democracy is dead in America and the major corporations with their military industrial complex and mainstream media propaganda departments are running the world's major super power like a dictatorship.

[jared_7]

Any thoughts on round 3?

Again, I think Clinton is wiping the floor with the Donald in terms of ability to construct coherent sentences on the topic being discussed.

Let me tell you. You know it, I know it and everyone knows it.

*various hand gestures*

What a fucking travesty that the future of the world rests on these cunts. A seasoned politician* and an absolute fuckwitted cockwomble (nice adjective MP).

For the avoidance of doubt * = liar, war criminal, federal criminal, Wall Street sympathiser, racketeer, criminal, etc, etc.

In the reality TV world of US politics, I think it went:
Round 1, Clinton.
Round 2, Trump.
Round 3, Clinton.

Bit of a damp squib last performance, really. But the damage has been done over the last few weeks anyway, he doesn't have a chance. In fact, his performances in the debates have been so bad you genuinely wonder whether he wants it - he's a narcissistic f*ckwit but I don't believe he is stupid, and he has had a lot of ammo he either hasn't touched on or just skimmed over in his inane ramblings.

All the evidence seems to be this is still a push for a television network.

[Sandydragon]

Any thoughts on round 3?

Again, I think Clinton is wiping the floor with the Donald in terms of ability to construct coherent sentences on the topic being discussed.

Let me tell you. You know it, I know it and everyone knows it.

*various hand gestures*

What a fucking travesty that the future of the world rests on these cunts. A seasoned politician* and an absolute fuckwitted cockwomble (nice adjective MP).

For the avoidance of doubt * = liar, war criminal, federal criminal, Wall Street sympathiser, racketeer, criminal, etc, etc.

In the reality TV world of US politics, I think it went:
Round 1, Clinton.
Round 2, Trump.
Round 3, Clinton.

Bit of a damp squib last performance, really. But the damage has been done over the last few weeks anyway, he doesn't have a chance. In fact, his performances in the debates have been so bad you genuinely wonder whether he wants it - he's a narcissistic f*ckwit but I don't believe he is stupid, and he has had a lot of ammo he either hasn't touched on or just skimmed over in his inane ramblings.

All the evidence seems to be this is still a push for a television network.

If that is the case then its a real shame that the election to the most powerful position in the world is seen in such a manner. The Republican Party must be spitting blood at this given that against a candidate such as Clinton, a candidate of their own who was vaguely credible could easily have won. There is some serious soul searching to be done there, if they can be bothered. As someone (morepork?) pointed out below the current views of the party are their own fault with the company they have been keeping, but if they want to win an election then they need to pull a finger out somewhere.

[rowan]

That's assuming they are separate parties at all any more...

[jared_7]

If that is the case then its a real shame that the election to the most powerful position in the world is seen in such a manner. The Republican Party must be spitting blood at this given that against a candidate such as Clinton, a candidate of their own who was vaguely credible could easily have won. There is some serious soul searching to be done there, if they can be bothered. As someone (morepork?) pointed out below the current views of the party are their own fault with the company they have been keeping, but if they want to win an election then they need to pull a finger out somewhere.

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2016/10/11/t ... -the-fall/

But note well: Donald Trump is not a black swan, an unforeseen event erupting upon an unsuspecting Republican Party. He is the end result of conscious and deliberate choices by the GOP, going back decades, to demonize its opponents, to polarize and obstruct, to pursue policies that enfeeble the political weal and to yoke the bigot and the ignorant to their wagon and to drive them by dangling carrots that they only ever intended to feed to the rich. Trump’s road to the candidacy was laid down and paved by the Southern Strategy, by Lee Atwater and Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove, by Fox News and the Tea Party, and by the smirking cynicism of three generations of GOP operatives, who have been fracking the white middle and working classes for years, crushing their fortunes with their social and economic policies, never imagining it would cause an earthquake. […]

But they don’t control Trump, which they are currently learning to their great misery. And the reason the GOP doesn’t control Trump is that they no longer control their base. The GOP trained their base election cycle after election cycle to be disdainful of government and to mistrust authority, which ultimately is an odd thing for a political party whose very rationale for existence is rooted in the concept of governmental authority to do. The GOP created a monster, but the monster isn’t Trump. The monster is the GOP’s base. Trump is the guy who stole their monster from them, for his own purposes.

[WaspInWales]

I'm amazed the Donald has managed to make it in business. If he negotiates business deals in the same style as he debates a presidential election, it's no surprise he has racked up such losses.

Business competitor:
"Donald you offered $5 million for the takeover last week and now it's down to $27 dollars"

The Donald:
"No I didn't, that's a lie. You did. I know it, you know it and everybody knows it. I'm gonna make the company great again. It's going to be so bigly, it will be tremendous."

Business competitor:
"How will you do that?"

The Donald:
"I'm going to keep you in suspense but it will be awesome!"

In some ways it would be entertaining seeing him as president dealing with other world leaders who are far more intelligent than him.

I'm beginning to change my mind on him.

[morepork]

That orange mutant hasn't succeeded at anything. Given the level of literacy and comprehension on display thus far, I'd be surprised if he finished high school. What a farce.

[Digby]

Donald's success seemingly stems from two points, first his dad made a lot of money, second when your debts run high enough it goes from being your problem to the bank's problem.

[kk67]

But note well: Donald Trump is not a black swan, an unforeseen event erupting upon an unsuspecting Republican Party. He is the end result of conscious and deliberate choices by the GOP, going back decades, to demonize its opponents, to polarize and obstruct, to pursue policies that enfeeble the political weal and to yoke the bigot and the ignorant to their wagon and to drive them by dangling carrots that they only ever intended to feed to the rich. Trump’s road to the candidacy was laid down and paved by the Southern Strategy, by Lee Atwater and Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove, by Fox News and the Tea Party, and by the smirking cynicism of three generations of GOP operatives, who have been fracking the white middle and working classes for years, crushing their fortunes with their social and economic policies, never imagining it would cause an earthquake. […]

But they don’t control Trump, which they are currently learning to their great misery. And the reason the GOP doesn’t control Trump is that they no longer control their base. The GOP trained their base election cycle after election cycle to be disdainful of government and to mistrust authority, which ultimately is an odd thing for a political party whose very rationale for existence is rooted in the concept of governmental authority to do. The GOP created a monster, but the monster isn’t Trump. The monster is the GOP’s base. Trump is the guy who stole their monster from them, for his own purposes.

All of that.

[kk67]

I'm amazed the Donald has managed to make it in business. If he negotiates business deals in the same style as he debates a presidential election, it's no surprise he has racked up such losses.

He hasn't made a profit on his Dad's capital. In fact it's estimated he's lost $3bn.

[cashead]

But note well: Donald Trump is not a black swan, an unforeseen event erupting upon an unsuspecting Republican Party. He is the end result of conscious and deliberate choices by the GOP, going back decades, to demonize its opponents, to polarize and obstruct, to pursue policies that enfeeble the political weal and to yoke the bigot and the ignorant to their wagon and to drive them by dangling carrots that they only ever intended to feed to the rich. Trump’s road to the candidacy was laid down and paved by the Southern Strategy, by Lee Atwater and Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove, by Fox News and the Tea Party, and by the smirking cynicism of three generations of GOP operatives, who have been fracking the white middle and working classes for years, crushing their fortunes with their social and economic policies, never imagining it would cause an earthquake. […]

But they don’t control Trump, which they are currently learning to their great misery. And the reason the GOP doesn’t control Trump is that they no longer control their base. The GOP trained their base election cycle after election cycle to be disdainful of government and to mistrust authority, which ultimately is an odd thing for a political party whose very rationale for existence is rooted in the concept of governmental authority to do. The GOP created a monster, but the monster isn’t Trump. The monster is the GOP’s base. Trump is the guy who stole their monster from them, for his own purposes.

All of that.

Pretty much. Trump understood during the primaries that when he was pandering to what was effectively a bloodthirsty mob, it wasn't the person that made the most convincing arguments, it was the one who shouted loudest that would win.




What he failed to understand was that while his antics in the GOP candidate nomination could be considered pandering to the base, when he tried that shit against a prepared, meticulous candidate with icewater running through her veins, the wider voting population would recoil in horror. His attempts at bullying her and shouting over her was not so much as shut down, as it was Clinton letting him tie the noose around his neck before she kicked the stool out from underneath him. There's a reason why by the end of the debates, Trump would be so riled up that he'd be unable to even form basic, coherent sentences.

Like, the fucking state of your sentences, mate.



What's he even talking about?


Hillary basically just clowned him across three debates, and the fact that her lead in the polls increased after every debate speaks for itself. She might have laid out a few landmines for him, but he's the one who bellyflopped right into them, and his attempt at playing the woman and not the ball constantly came off as pathetic flailing, at best.

Why do you think Trump has spent the last few months screaming about how the election is going to be rigged? He's a narcissistic bully who knows he's going to get the shit kicked out of him, and he knows for sure now that the American voters are going to tell him to fuck off forever.

[morepork]

He said "bigly" again a couple of times, the fucking pilchard.

[cashead]

The GOP spends the last decade plus doing its utmost best to alienate every demographic bar crusty old white people, and while trotting out milquetoast chucklefucks like Cruz and crazies like Carson thinking that'll be enough to draw them back. Did they think that those same people were going to forget every xenophobic bit of legislation that unfairly discriminated against Hispanics? Did they think they were going to forget all those dogwhistles where people in or associated with the GOP stopped just short of calling the Obamas a bunch of niggers, letting the base finish their sentence? What in the fuck did they think was going to happen when a bloviating showman charlatan turns up, trading in that dogwhistle for a bullhorn and screaming exactly what they want to hear from the top of his lungs? Fucking idiots.


The one person I do feel bad for is Patricia Smith, as I did interact with her son online shortly before his passing.

As another Goon put it

I watched the entire RNC, all of it, except for Patricia Smith's speech, because I straight up couldn't stand watching her cry. Every other ridiculous piece of shit speaker they had, even Trump's 70 minute Hitler impersonation, I got through, but I had to turn it off for her, because these fucking shitstains have fed her every stupid fucking lie about Benghazi for four years and encouraged her to believe that not only was her son murdered in the line of duty, a nightmare for any parent, but that her own government did it on purpose for Reasons. Then they trot her out onto the stage to cry for them whenever it's convenient. Like Trump gives a single shit about her or her dead son, any more than any of these assholes do. She's a prop to them to hurt Hillary Clinton and literally nothing else.

Seriously, fuck all of those people.

[WaspInWales]

I'm amazed the Donald has managed to make it in business. If he negotiates business deals in the same style as he debates a presidential election, it's no surprise he has racked up such losses.

He hasn't made a profit on his Dad's capital. In fact it's estimated he's lost $3bn.

Imagine him in charge of America's economy. They'd be downgraded to a developing country within a few weeks!

Vote Trump!

[Digby]

The worrying part is what comes after Trump. He mayn't win, but he's gotten awfully close running a horrible campaign based on fear, which suggests someone could be more successful with a still more extreme message than Trump has carried. I'd like to think the Republicans would set about putting their house in order, mind I'd also like the two parties to try and work together, but in both instances there seems little chance.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Donald's success seemingly stems from two points, first his dad made a lot of money, second when your debts run high enough it goes from being your problem to the bank's problem.

This, and the ridiculous American tax code which seems to let you trade corporate losses for personal tax rebates.

[morepork]

Donald's success seemingly stems from two points, first his dad made a lot of money, second when your debts run high enough it goes from being your problem to the bank's problem.

This, and the ridiculous American tax code which seems to let you trade corporate losses for personal tax rebates.

Trickle down baby! Shit rolls downhill.

[kk67]

The worrying part is what comes after Trump. He mayn't win, but he's gotten awfully close running a horrible campaign based on fear, which suggests someone could be more successful with a still more extreme message than Trump has carried. I'd like to think the Republicans would set about putting their house in order, mind I'd also like the two parties to try and work together, but in both instances there seems little chance.

Agreed. Not only has he lowered the bar for what is considered feasible candidates,.....but in some ways he's also a patsy for the political establishment to cuddle themselves in a warm hug of belief that the rest of us cannot be trusted with democracy and they're actually the only ones that can be trusted.

And the cycle starts again.

[Coco]

He said "bigly" again a couple of times, the fucking pilchard.

Immediayely thought of you when he did... lol

[kk67]

I'm amazed the Donald has managed to make it in business. If he negotiates business deals in the same style as he debates a presidential election, it's no surprise he has racked up such losses.

He hasn't made a profit on his Dad's capital. In fact it's estimated he's lost $3bn.

Imagine him in charge of America's economy. They'd be downgraded to a developing country within a few weeks!

Vote Trump!

The way borrowing is raised against a football clubs assets by all the crooked billionaires that buy into the English soccer league is not dissimilar to how most countries are running their economies.
Maggie sold off BT for a song....we owned it and we were supposed to buy it back.

[rowan]

The worrying part is what comes after Trump. He mayn't win, but he's gotten awfully close running a horrible campaign based on fear, which suggests someone could be more successful with a still more extreme message than Trump has carried. I'd like to think the Republicans would set about putting their house in order, mind I'd also like the two parties to try and work together, but in both instances there seems little chance.

Not half as scary to non-Americans as the fact Hillary Clinton is going to be elected despite her long list of war crimes and pledges (and threats) of more of the same to come. The people of the Middle East have a great deal more to fear from Clinton than anyone does from Trump - even if you regard him as a serious candidate at all.

[Digby]

The worrying part is what comes after Trump. He mayn't win, but he's gotten awfully close running a horrible campaign based on fear, which suggests someone could be more successful with a still more extreme message than Trump has carried. I'd like to think the Republicans would set about putting their house in order, mind I'd also like the two parties to try and work together, but in both instances there seems little chance.

Not half as scary to non-Americans as the fact Hillary Clinton is going to be elected despite her long list of war crimes and pledges (and threats) of more of the same to come. The people of the Middle East have a great deal more to fear from Clinton than anyone does from Trump - even if you regard him as a serious candidate at all.

I'm not American, and not especially worried about Hillary being president. I couldn't say I'm especially a fan of Hillary, just not worried.