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Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:04 pm
by BBD
Ill leave it to the Young Guns

Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:36 pm
by Donny osmond
Taxi Driver for BBD!

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Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:50 pm
by Digby
You're all Lost Boys

Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:23 am
by onlynameleft
I can’t think of any films but do expelled diplomats still get paid while they remain expelled?

Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:55 am
by Sandydragon
onlynameleft wrote:I can’t think of any films but do expelled diplomats still get paid while they remain expelled?
I assume they get reassigned, they would remain government employees after all.

Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:42 pm
by kk67
Bloody horrible methodology.

Re: RE: Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:42 pm
by Donny osmond
onlynameleft wrote:I can’t think of any films but do expelled diplomats still get paid while they remain expelled?
The Bourne Identity

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Re: RE: Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:44 pm
by Donny osmond
kk67 wrote:Bloody horrible methodology.
A Beautiful Mind

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Re: RE: Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:34 pm
by WaspInWales
Donny osmond wrote:
kk67 wrote:Bloody horrible methodology.
A Beautiful Mind

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Mindhorn

Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:20 pm
by kk67
I meant it was a horrible slow death. Nasty shit.

Re: RE: Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:00 pm
by Donny osmond
kk67 wrote:I meant it was a horrible slow death. Nasty shit.
Michael McIntyre Live DVD

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Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:42 am
by Digby
Who stuffs election boxes when you're winning 70/30 having already banned any serious alternative from standing against you?

Putin must be starting to close on Stalin now for number of years as the de facto Tsar

Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:10 am
by cashead
Digby wrote:Who stuffs election boxes when you're winning 70/30 having already banned any serious alternative from standing against you?

Putin must be starting to close on Stalin now for number of years as the de facto Tsar
18 years. There was that tenure as Russian PM with Medvedev as the President, but we all know who was really in charge there.

Stalin was in power for 30 years and 6 months or so, officially at least, so Putin's got to put in another 12 and a half years.

Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:18 pm
by Sandydragon
Digby wrote:Who stuffs election boxes when you're winning 70/30 having already banned any serious alternative from standing against you?

Putin must be starting to close on Stalin now for number of years as the de facto Tsar
There’s a massive need to look all powerful on display there, just winning isn’t enough .

Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:27 pm
by rowan
“Comrade Putin, we have successfully stockpiled novichoks in secret for ten years, and kept them hidden from the OPCW inspectors. We have also trained our agents in secret novichok assassination techniques. The programme has cost hundreds of millions of dollars, but now we are ready. Naturally, the first time we use it we will expose our secret and suffer massive international blowback. So who should be our first target? The head of a foreign intelligence agency? A leading jihadist rebel in Syria? A key nuclear scientist? Even a Head of State?”

“No, Tovarich. There is this old retired guy I know living in Salisbury. We released him from jail years ago…”

WARNING If you harbour any doubts at all about the plausibility of Mr Johnson’s story, you are a crazed conspiracy theorist and a traitor. Plus you will never, ever get employed in the BBC or corporate media.
- Craig Murray

:shock: :? :lol: :lol: ;) :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :!:

Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:34 pm
by kk67
Digby wrote:Who stuffs election boxes when you're winning 70/30 having already banned any serious alternative from standing against you?

Putin must be starting to close on Stalin now for number of years as the de facto Tsar
You might want to have a closer look at the Cambridge Anal-lickita case.
Not only did they legally buy the info from Facebook,..... but the algorithm means that they only have to focus on 5% of the electorate to steer a vote.

Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:30 pm
by rowan
The point is you wouldn't stuff election boxes when you are overwhelming favorite due to your immense popularity.

NATO needs its Russian bogeyman to justify its endless wars. :evil:

Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:58 pm
by kk67
Having a bad guy is useful to the market.
The Defence/industry/wankers definitely love a bit of war. That ordinance doesn't shoot itself.

Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:44 pm
by rowan
kk67 wrote:Having a bad guy is useful to the market.
The Defence/industry/wankers definitely love a bit of war. That ordinance doesn't shoot itself.
Indeed.

Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:45 pm
by WaspInWales
rowan wrote:The point is you wouldn't stuff election boxes when you are overwhelming favorite due to your immense popularity.

NATO needs its Russian bogeyman to justify its endless wars. :evil:
So, the CCTV footage is fake, or originates from somewhere in the UK/US?

Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:13 pm
by rowan
Undoubtedly something along those lines. He won by a landslide victory. Everyone knows he is immensely popular with Russians. That should be the focus of impartial news reporting on the elections.

In fact, I just had a look at some news about that and read that it was one of the cleanest elections to date, and that any isolated transgressions had been dealt with accordingly. Big deal...

Re: RE: Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:41 pm
by Donny osmond
rowan wrote:Undoubtedly something along those lines. He won by a landslide victory. Everyone knows he is immensely popular with Russians. That should be the focus of impartial news reporting on the elections.

In fact, I just had a look at some news about that and read that it was one of the cleanest elections to date, and that any isolated transgressions had been dealt with accordingly. Big deal...
But you dont live there, so you cant possibly know that...?

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Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:42 am
by rowan
Yes, I don't live there so I don't know - and I certainly wouldn't presume to dictate to someone who does. That would be extremely arrogant of me and indicative of some kind of socially ingrained prejudice and superior-mindedness...

But common sense tells me Comrade Putin did not send out the orders to stuff ballot boxes right in front of CCTV cameras when it was always predicted he would win by a landslide.

Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:23 am
by Digby
I rather doubt Putin said stuff the election boxes, but people would have known he wanted a big turnout and a big win, so to try and make sure that happened this is what results.

As to him being popular, I'd say it's a mix, and even where he is a lot of that comes back to a media that dare not speak out on many, many issues when they know journalists who do are killed.

Re: Anti-Russian rhetoric

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:50 am
by Stones of granite
Digby wrote:I rather doubt Putin said stuff the election boxes, but people would have known he wanted a big turnout and a big win, so to try and make sure that happened this is what results.

As to him being popular, I'd say it's a mix, and even where he is a lot of that comes back to a media that dare not speak out on many, many issues when they know journalists who do are killed.
The Russians that I know have an incredibly complex attitude towards him. They will privately admit that he is a crook and a thug with authoritarian tendencies, but at the same time express the belief that this is the kind of ruler that Russia needs. The Russian concept of democracy is completely different to what we understand by it.