gaza conflict

[Which Tyler]

Israeli defence minister plans to move Gaza's population to camp in Rafah

Israel's defence minister says he has instructed its military to prepare a plan to move all Palestinians in Gaza into a camp in the south of the territory, Israeli media reports say.

Israel Katz told journalists on Monday he wanted to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of the city of Rafah to initially house about 600,000 Palestinians - and eventually the whole 2.1 million population.

He said the goal was to bring people inside after security screening to ensure they were not Hamas operatives, and that they would not be allowed to leave.

I'm sure there's a word for the forcible involuntary displacement movement of populations from one location to another - I just can't quite think what it would be without implying some sort of war crime - which, of course, the "most moral army in the world" would never stoop to.
I'm pretty sure there's generally another word that's used when you set up a camp, and concentrate a large number of enemies there and don't allow them to leave. I'm not sure it's a "humanitarian city" though. Again, I'm having difficulty in finding what word to use without implying something negative about the state of Israel.

FTR, of course, Hamas = bad

[Son of Mathonwy]

Israeli defence minister plans to move Gaza's population to camp in Rafah

Israel's defence minister says he has instructed its military to prepare a plan to move all Palestinians in Gaza into a camp in the south of the territory, Israeli media reports say.

Israel Katz told journalists on Monday he wanted to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of the city of Rafah to initially house about 600,000 Palestinians - and eventually the whole 2.1 million population.

He said the goal was to bring people inside after security screening to ensure they were not Hamas operatives, and that they would not be allowed to leave.

I'm sure there's a word for the forcible involuntary displacement movement of populations from one location to another - I just can't quite think what it would be without implying some sort of war crime - which, of course, the "most moral army in the world" would never stoop to.
I'm pretty sure there's generally another word that's used when you set up a camp, and concentrate a large number of enemies there and don't allow them to leave. I'm not sure it's a "humanitarian city" though. Again, I'm having difficulty in finding what word to use without implying something negative about the state of Israel.

FTR, of course, Hamas = bad

Concentration or death? Or is that a trick question?

[Puja]

Israeli defence minister plans to move Gaza's population to camp in Rafah

Israel's defence minister says he has instructed its military to prepare a plan to move all Palestinians in Gaza into a camp in the south of the territory, Israeli media reports say.

Israel Katz told journalists on Monday he wanted to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of the city of Rafah to initially house about 600,000 Palestinians - and eventually the whole 2.1 million population.

He said the goal was to bring people inside after security screening to ensure they were not Hamas operatives, and that they would not be allowed to leave.

I'm sure there's a word for the forcible involuntary displacement movement of populations from one location to another - I just can't quite think what it would be without implying some sort of war crime - which, of course, the "most moral army in the world" would never stoop to.
I'm pretty sure there's generally another word that's used when you set up a camp, and concentrate a large number of enemies there and don't allow them to leave. I'm not sure it's a "humanitarian city" though. Again, I'm having difficulty in finding what word to use without implying something negative about the state of Israel.

FTR, of course, Hamas = bad

What the actual literal fuck.

Puja

[paddy no 11]

Francesca albanese been hit with US sanctions

What a disgrace

It's all over now, I actually don't understand why the Israelis aren't moving faster? It's not like anyone will stop them

[Son of Mathonwy]

Francesca albanese been hit with US sanctions

What a disgrace

It's all over now, I actually don't understand why the Israelis aren't moving faster? It's not like anyone will stop them

If the Egyptians (or any neighbour) were willing to take them, they'd be forced out straight away. Not surprisingly though they don't want to help Israel's final solution for Gaza or destabilize their country with the best part of 2m refugees. So Israel works on whittling down its problem with bullets, bombs, disease and starvation.

Why don't they just kill them all? Agreed, it seems like no one will lift a finger to help, certainly not the UK. Is there still a risk for Israel that it will go 'too far'? Like there's some red line that will prove to truly be unacceptable to the governments of the West? It's looking less and less like there is. It would help if the ICJ came to some conclusion on the Genocide case (while some Gazans are still alive??) but I suspect that would just be ignored, even by signatories like the UK. What if Israel sets up this concentration camp and most of the Gazans die in it over the next year or two? As long as there are no gas chambers would even this move the dial?

There's never been a shortage of bad in the world but before this I did still think that even the amoral bastards who rule us would stop genocide if it was in their power to do so. I was wrong. It's easy to pretend to care about Rwanda but when it's Palestinians getting exterminated in the continuation of Balfour's plan it's another story. Obviously the US is a moral vacuum on this but the fact that most of Europe continues to side with Israel all the way up to the killing of a whole people is shocking. I am truly disillusioned with the state of the world. I think most humans are better than this but the system we live in clearly has no moral foundations at all.

Having said all that despairing stuff, we can't afford to despair. That's what they want us to do. We must keep going, doing what we can to make things better. I write to my MP. I march. And most importantly I rant .

[Son of Mathonwy]

Worth watching:

[Puja]

Francesca albanese been hit with US sanctions

What a disgrace

It's all over now, I actually don't understand why the Israelis aren't moving faster? It's not like anyone will stop them

I think that they do need to keep a figleaf of plausible deniability. If they can let disease, famine, and small-scale incidents whittle away the numbers, then that's less risky than taking overt and completely undeniable actions - not least because of the risk of backlash from the Israeli people themselves. Netanyahu's power is already extremely wobbly and doing anything that can't be explained away runs the risk of further protests. Much better to concentrate the Gazans in a camp, for their own safety, and probably hope for someone to get desperate and perform a terrorist attack that will give fresh cause to go again.

Puja

[Son of Mathonwy]

Francesca albanese been hit with US sanctions

What a disgrace

It's all over now, I actually don't understand why the Israelis aren't moving faster? It's not like anyone will stop them

I think that they do need to keep a figleaf of plausible deniability. If they can let disease, famine, and small-scale incidents whittle away the numbers, then that's less risky than taking overt and completely undeniable actions - not least because of the risk of backlash from the Israeli people themselves. Netanyahu's power is already extremely wobbly and doing anything that can't be explained away runs the risk of further protests. Much better to concentrate the Gazans in a camp, for their own safety, and probably hope for someone to get desperate and perform a terrorist attack that will give fresh cause to go again.

Puja

It's safe to assume they will fire explosives and bullets into the camp on a daily basis (because Hamas) while providing insufficient food and no medical supplies. They will try to keep a total information blackout over the area.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Despicable Israeli actions - by the wounds seen by doctors, the IDF are clearly picking a different body part to aim at each day, to make a game of shooting starving people.

Only possible because of total impunity and troops who are psychopathic or acting psychopathic because they genuinely believe their victims aren't human. (Yeah, it's a fine distinction.)

Also the genocidal act of depriving a starving population of baby formula, which is essentially murdering Palestinian babies.

https://www.channel4.com/news/teenagers ... on-in-gaza

[Puja]

Unconscionable. Simply unconscionable.

Puja

[paddy no 11]

Starvation happening now, not a risk anymore

This is outrageous

[morepork]

Utter thundercunt behavior. Where are the balls of the “free west “ in all of this outrage.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Utter thundercunt behavior. Where are the balls of the “free west “ in all of this outrage.

The free west is calling for it to end.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... gnity-gaza

Not doing anything which might bring that about, though.

Still selling weapons, training the IDF, flying surveillance planes over Gaza, allowing logistical flights from Cyprus. Still trading normally with the genocidal, expansionist, apartheid state. Still not recognising Palestine.

All we have is this prick Lammy trying to keep himself and his boss out of the Hague:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... lestinians

But I stand on my record and it’s a good record. I believe it’s one that we can hold up, and it’s one that you would find other governments have not done as much as the UK government has done

[Puja]

But I stand on my record and it’s a good record. I believe it’s one that we can hold up, and it’s one that you would find other governments have not done as much as the UK government has done

The South African government has entered the chat.

Incredible that he's got the balls to say that there's nothing we could do. Yeah, sure, you're right David that we can't "end the war unilaterally." We can't wave a magic wand and make it stop. However, this is not a binary situation and one should not look at a horrible situation and say, "Well, there's no way we could fix that all in one fell swoop, so I guess our only option is to do nothing at all."

We may not be able to fix it on our own, but we're still a powerful nation and us leading would make a big difference. We could openly support investigations, we could be raising pressure in the UN, we could be putting trade sanctions on, we could cancel all weapons exports - even if we genuinely believe none of the weapons we export are being used in Gaza (are they being used in attacking Syria/Iran/the West Bank/Lebanon/any other neighbouring nation? Cause that's not great either, Dave), those weapons and parts are still supporting the regime which is doing the crimes in Gaza so it's still an evil act to supply them.

Let's be real though, when Davo says "We have to work in partnership with our allies," what he means is that Trump has threatened repercussions if we do take action on Israel and we value our "special relationship" and protecting growth, higher than we value doing the right thing.

Puja

[Son of Mathonwy]

But I stand on my record and it’s a good record. I believe it’s one that we can hold up, and it’s one that you would find other governments have not done as much as the UK government has done

The South African government has entered the chat.

Incredible that he's got the balls to say that there's nothing we could do. Yeah, sure, you're right David that we can't "end the war unilaterally." We can't wave a magic wand and make it stop. However, this is not a binary situation and one should not look at a horrible situation and say, "Well, there's no way we could fix that all in one fell swoop, so I guess our only option is to do nothing at all."

We may not be able to fix it on our own, but we're still a powerful nation and us leading would make a big difference. We could openly support investigations, we could be raising pressure in the UN, we could be putting trade sanctions on, we could cancel all weapons exports - even if we genuinely believe none of the weapons we export are being used in Gaza (are they being used in attacking Syria/Iran/the West Bank/Lebanon/any other neighbouring nation? Cause that's not great either, Dave), those weapons and parts are still supporting the regime which is doing the crimes in Gaza so it's still an evil act to supply them.

Let's be real though, when Davo says "We have to work in partnership with our allies," what he means is that Trump has threatened repercussions if we do take action on Israel and we value our "special relationship" and protecting growth, higher than we value doing the right thing.

Puja

It's funny. All the things Lammy can't think of doing to Israel but is doing to Russia.

Trump doesn't need to threaten us. Starmer would support Israel to the hilt regardless.

All Lammy is doing is the minimum to keep Starmer out of serious legal problems and trying (not very successfully) to suppress domestic discontent. They won't stop supporting Israel. Even if it means splitting the Labour vote with Corbyn-Sultana and handing the UK to Farage.

[Son of Mathonwy]

The BBC news at 10 couldn't decide whether to believe Israel or the UN on who was to blame for the famine in Gaza. Top quality journalism.

[Puja]

The BBC news at 10 couldn't decide whether to believe Israel or the UN on who was to blame for the famine in Gaza. Top quality journalism.

Even the Daily Express is condemning the famine and appears to be treating Muslims as actual human beings for once. That's how far Israel has gone.

Puja

[Son of Mathonwy]

The BBC news at 10 couldn't decide whether to believe Israel or the UN on who was to blame for the famine in Gaza. Top quality journalism.

Even the Daily Express is condemning the famine and appears to be treating Muslims as actual human beings for once. That's how far Israel has gone.

Puja

Maybe. I think it's got to the point that you wouldn't do that to an animal, so even the Express thinks that's going too far.

[Which Tyler]

Severe malnutrition in under-5s has tripled at Gaza City clinic, charity reports

Charity says number of people needing care for malnutrition has quadrupled and blames Israeli ‘policy of starvation’

Rates of severe malnutrition among children aged under five at Médecins Sans Frontières’ Gaza City clinic have tripled in the last two weeks, the charity has said, as starvation in the Israeli-besieged strip worsens.

The global aid community has sounded the alarm as Gaza descends deeper into mass starvation, with resulting deaths being reported daily as Israel allows only a trickle of aid into the territory.

MSF said a quarter of all young children and pregnant or breastfeeding women it screened at its clinics last week were malnourished, with the number of people needing care for malnutrition at its Gaza City location quadrupling since May.

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[paddy no 11]

MSF staff going days without food unable to treat people properly

[Son of Mathonwy]

Starmer plans to airdrop aid to Gaza. Another distraction from the only way to do this: 500+ lorries a day. But nice target practice for the IDF.

I expect approximately 2 cardboard boxes will make it into Gazan hands, who will then be machine-gunned while trying to retrieve them from safe zones.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... l-go-ahead

[Son of Mathonwy]

Starmer plans to airdrop aid to Gaza. Another distraction from the only way to do this: 500+ lorries a day. But nice target practice for the IDF.

I expect approximately 2 cardboard boxes will make it into Gazan hands, who will then be machine-gunned while trying to retrieve them from safe zones.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... l-go-ahead

This is perfect for Starmer and pretty good for Netanyahu too. These efforts will do a tiny amount of good and distract the news for a while but make no material difference to Gaza or Israel. A temporary relief from the pressure to take real action.

[paddy no 11]

Britain threatens Israel with doing the right thing unless Israel does the right thing 1st, bizzare

[Son of Mathonwy]

Britain threatens Israel with doing the right thing unless Israel does the right thing 1st, bizzare

It's better than some things, I guess, like saying we don't recognise the state of Palestine, or doing absolutely nothing. It is surprisingly good only because of how low my expectations are for Keir Starmer.

1. This should not be contingent on anything. We should have recognised Palestine from when they declared independence in 1988, when most of the world did. It's like, we think you should ultimately have human rights but it's not the right moment for you to have them yet.

2. This gives Israel another month to starve Gazans, and takes the heat off Starmer till then because he will answer any questions with reference to the terrifying threat hanging over Israel's head.

3. This can go one of two ways, I think - Israel completely ignores it (as it would if we recognised the state today), or Israel does a couple of cosmetic things and 'satisfies' Starmer enough not to carry out the threat to do the right thing (ie to continue to do the wrong thing). Either way, nothing substantially diverts Israel's final solution for Gaza.

[paddy no 11]

Extraordinary testimony from British doctor on channel 4 news tonight, worth looking up