Israel's defence minister says he has instructed its military to prepare a plan to move all Palestinians in Gaza into a camp in the south of the territory, Israeli media reports say.
Israel Katz told journalists on Monday he wanted to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of the city of Rafah to initially house about 600,000 Palestinians - and eventually the whole 2.1 million population.
He said the goal was to bring people inside after security screening to ensure they were not Hamas operatives, and that they would not be allowed to leave.
I'm sure there's a word for the forcible involuntary displacement movement of populations from one location to another - I just can't quite think what it would be without implying some sort of war crime - which, of course, the "most moral army in the world" would never stoop to.
I'm pretty sure there's generally another word that's used when you set up a camp, and concentrate a large number of enemies there and don't allow them to leave. I'm not sure it's a "humanitarian city" though. Again, I'm having difficulty in finding what word to use without implying something negative about the state of Israel.
Israel's defence minister says he has instructed its military to prepare a plan to move all Palestinians in Gaza into a camp in the south of the territory, Israeli media reports say.
Israel Katz told journalists on Monday he wanted to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of the city of Rafah to initially house about 600,000 Palestinians - and eventually the whole 2.1 million population.
He said the goal was to bring people inside after security screening to ensure they were not Hamas operatives, and that they would not be allowed to leave.
I'm sure there's a word for the forcible involuntary displacement movement of populations from one location to another - I just can't quite think what it would be without implying some sort of war crime - which, of course, the "most moral army in the world" would never stoop to.
I'm pretty sure there's generally another word that's used when you set up a camp, and concentrate a large number of enemies there and don't allow them to leave. I'm not sure it's a "humanitarian city" though. Again, I'm having difficulty in finding what word to use without implying something negative about the state of Israel.
FTR, of course, Hamas = bad
Concentration or death? Or is that a trick question?
Israel's defence minister says he has instructed its military to prepare a plan to move all Palestinians in Gaza into a camp in the south of the territory, Israeli media reports say.
Israel Katz told journalists on Monday he wanted to establish a "humanitarian city" on the ruins of the city of Rafah to initially house about 600,000 Palestinians - and eventually the whole 2.1 million population.
He said the goal was to bring people inside after security screening to ensure they were not Hamas operatives, and that they would not be allowed to leave.
I'm sure there's a word for the forcible involuntary displacement movement of populations from one location to another - I just can't quite think what it would be without implying some sort of war crime - which, of course, the "most moral army in the world" would never stoop to.
I'm pretty sure there's generally another word that's used when you set up a camp, and concentrate a large number of enemies there and don't allow them to leave. I'm not sure it's a "humanitarian city" though. Again, I'm having difficulty in finding what word to use without implying something negative about the state of Israel.
FTR, of course, Hamas = bad
What the actual literal fuck.
Puja
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 10:50 pm
by paddy no 11
Francesca albanese been hit with US sanctions
What a disgrace
It's all over now, I actually don't understand why the Israelis aren't moving faster? It's not like anyone will stop them
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:08 am
by Son of Mathonwy
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 09, 2025 10:50 pm
Francesca albanese been hit with US sanctions
What a disgrace
It's all over now, I actually don't understand why the Israelis aren't moving faster? It's not like anyone will stop them
If the Egyptians (or any neighbour) were willing to take them, they'd be forced out straight away. Not surprisingly though they don't want to help Israel's final solution for Gaza or destabilize their country with the best part of 2m refugees. So Israel works on whittling down its problem with bullets, bombs, disease and starvation.
Why don't they just kill them all? Agreed, it seems like no one will lift a finger to help, certainly not the UK. Is there still a risk for Israel that it will go 'too far'? Like there's some red line that will prove to truly be unacceptable to the governments of the West? It's looking less and less like there is. It would help if the ICJ came to some conclusion on the Genocide case (while some Gazans are still alive??) but I suspect that would just be ignored, even by signatories like the UK. What if Israel sets up this concentration camp and most of the Gazans die in it over the next year or two? As long as there are no gas chambers would even this move the dial?
There's never been a shortage of bad in the world but before this I did still think that even the amoral bastards who rule us would stop genocide if it was in their power to do so. I was wrong. It's easy to pretend to care about Rwanda but when it's Palestinians getting exterminated in the continuation of Balfour's plan it's another story. Obviously the US is a moral vacuum on this but the fact that most of Europe continues to side with Israel all the way up to the killing of a whole people is shocking. I am truly disillusioned with the state of the world. I think most humans are better than this but the system we live in clearly has no moral foundations at all.
Having said all that despairing stuff, we can't afford to despair. That's what they want us to do. We must keep going, doing what we can to make things better. I write to my MP. I march. And most importantly I rant .
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:18 am
by Son of Mathonwy
Worth watching:
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:25 am
by Puja
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 09, 2025 10:50 pm
Francesca albanese been hit with US sanctions
What a disgrace
It's all over now, I actually don't understand why the Israelis aren't moving faster? It's not like anyone will stop them
I think that they do need to keep a figleaf of plausible deniability. If they can let disease, famine, and small-scale incidents whittle away the numbers, then that's less risky than taking overt and completely undeniable actions - not least because of the risk of backlash from the Israeli people themselves. Netanyahu's power is already extremely wobbly and doing anything that can't be explained away runs the risk of further protests. Much better to concentrate the Gazans in a camp, for their own safety, and probably hope for someone to get desperate and perform a terrorist attack that will give fresh cause to go again.
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 09, 2025 10:50 pm
Francesca albanese been hit with US sanctions
What a disgrace
It's all over now, I actually don't understand why the Israelis aren't moving faster? It's not like anyone will stop them
I think that they do need to keep a figleaf of plausible deniability. If they can let disease, famine, and small-scale incidents whittle away the numbers, then that's less risky than taking overt and completely undeniable actions - not least because of the risk of backlash from the Israeli people themselves. Netanyahu's power is already extremely wobbly and doing anything that can't be explained away runs the risk of further protests. Much better to concentrate the Gazans in a camp, for their own safety, and probably hope for someone to get desperate and perform a terrorist attack that will give fresh cause to go again.
Puja
It's safe to assume they will fire explosives and bullets into the camp on a daily basis (because Hamas) while providing insufficient food and no medical supplies. They will try to keep a total information blackout over the area.
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