America

[Danno]

What a shame. And only 2 days after he was screaming for the release of the Epstein files.

[Puja]

Charlie Kirk dies from a gunshot wound, while in the middle of being flippant and mendacious about public shootings. Not in favour of political violence, but there have been far worse tragedies than that.

My main worry is about what the Trump regime will use his assassination for, especially if the shooter was any kind of a minority. Hopefully whoever it was was a white cis straight male middle-aged republican, or they planned well enough to get away and never get caught.

Puja

It'll be used as an excuse to bring in more troops or some other totalitarian shit. Maybe station the military in problematic universities?

Oddly, it won't be seen as a reason to tighten up gun laws.

Well, Kirk himself said, "I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights." I'm sure he'd agree that his murder was an acceptable sacrifice.

What a shame. And only 2 days after he was screaming for the release of the Epstein files.

Hah! Hadn't considered that! Don't actually think it's connected though - Trump's strategy of just denying and stonewalling is working well for him and he's not in enough danger to be worth silencing someone.

Puja

[Son of Mathonwy]

Charlie Kirk dies from a gunshot wound, while in the middle of being flippant and mendacious about public shootings. Not in favour of political violence, but there have been far worse tragedies than that.

My main worry is about what the Trump regime will use his assassination for, especially if the shooter was any kind of a minority. Hopefully whoever it was was a white cis straight male middle-aged republican, or they planned well enough to get away and never get caught.

Puja

It'll be used as an excuse to bring in more troops or some other totalitarian shit. Maybe station the military in problematic universities?

Oddly, it won't be seen as a reason to tighten up gun laws.

Well, Kirk himself said, "I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights." I'm sure he'd agree that his murder was an acceptable sacrifice.

Shot by his own petard.

[paddy no 11]

It'll be used as an excuse to bring in more troops or some other totalitarian shit. Maybe station the military in problematic universities?

Oddly, it won't be seen as a reason to tighten up gun laws.

Well, Kirk himself said, "I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights." I'm sure he'd agree that his murder was an acceptable sacrifice.

Shot by his own petard.

10/10

[morepork]

Just fuck this shit. Armed hypocrisy. Black colleges getting bomb threats now. The country is rank with the smell of hate and bullshit.

[Stom]

I know this is callous of me...but thank god it was a white guy from Utah. Tragic that they're calling for the death penalty. Society is at fault for glorifying gun culture and making deadly weapons available to a 22 year old...

And for suggesting that deaths are a suitable price to pay for the ability for that 22 year old to carry a deadly weapon wherever he wants.

At least it cannot be pinned on the black community/muslims/arabs/whatever.

[Puja]

I know this is callous of me...but thank god it was a white guy from Utah. Tragic that they're calling for the death penalty. Society is at fault for glorifying gun culture and making deadly weapons available to a 22 year old...

And for suggesting that deaths are a suitable price to pay for the ability for that 22 year old to carry a deadly weapon wherever he wants.

At least it cannot be pinned on the black community/muslims/arabs/whatever.

Still room for it to be blamed on Democrats or the LGBTQ+ community though. Given Kirk was shot while he was gleefully dodging questions about the entirely spurious conspiracy theory that trans people have a propensity towards shootings, it is a definite worry of mine that an idiot trans kid might've fucked everybody over big-time.

I just hope to all the gods that that kid's cis, straight, and Republican and was killing Kirk because he'd gone against Daddy Trump over the Epstein files.

Puja

[paddy no 11]

I know this is callous of me...but thank god it was a white guy from Utah. Tragic that they're calling for the death penalty. Society is at fault for glorifying gun culture and making deadly weapons available to a 22 year old...

And for suggesting that deaths are a suitable price to pay for the ability for that 22 year old to carry a deadly weapon wherever he wants.

At least it cannot be pinned on the black community/muslims/arabs/whatever.

Still room for it to be blamed on Democrats or the LGBTQ+ community though. Given Kirk was shot while he was gleefully dodging questions about the entirely spurious conspiracy theory that trans people have a propensity towards shootings, it is a definite worry of mine that an idiot trans kid might've fucked everybody over big-time.

I just hope to all the gods that that kid's cis, straight, and Republican and was killing Kirk because he'd gone against Daddy Trump over the Epstein files.

Puja

That's not callous, we're all relieved that a right wing murder spree may have been postponed

[Which Tyler]

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lynbjh63l426

Also
https://ccjls.scholasticahq.com/article ... ted-states

[Stom]

So he'd written on the bullet shells "Bella Ciao"...sung against our lovely Viktator in the EU parliament and used as an anti-fascist call in countries worldwide.

I don't condone violence, and I believe we should ALWAYS look for peaceful solutions to every problem.

But with what is happening in the world, it is vital that people do stand up and oppose the fascism, the hatred, the bigotry, that people like Kirk were/are figureheads of.

I was trying to explain to my brother in law how, yes, I do not condone Hamas' attack(s) on Israel, but I do understand and have sympathy because of what has been perpetrated against their people for a long time. This feels like something similar to me. Because I do feel somewhat like it's time we stood up, time we started to take our world back from oligarchs, bigots, racists, transphobes, and political elites who only want to feed their power and purses.

[morepork]

You guys are over analyzing it. The whole environment is toxic.

[Stom]

You guys are over analyzing it. The whole environment is toxic.

I knew I forgot a paragraph...

Yeah, the whole thing over there is insane.

And this is an "only in America" kind of moment.

I'm not going to condone assassination...but people are fed up across the globe, and something needs to give.

We've seen Nepalis throwing ministers into rivers, we've seen riots in Serbia and Indonesia...when are these going to become more widespread? Will they? Will we be able to stand up and demand economic regime change? Obvs to go along with the move away from fascism.

[paddy no 11]

So he'd written on the bullet shells "Bella Ciao"...sung against our lovely Viktator in the EU parliament and used as an anti-fascist call in countries worldwide.

I don't condone violence, and I believe we should ALWAYS look for peaceful solutions to every problem.

But with what is happening in the world, it is vital that people do stand up and oppose the fascism, the hatred, the bigotry, that people like Kirk were/are figureheads of.

I was trying to explain to my brother in law how, yes, I do not condone Hamas' attack(s) on Israel, but I do understand and have sympathy because of what has been perpetrated against their people for a long time. This feels like something similar to me. Because I do feel somewhat like it's time we stood up, time we started to take our world back from oligarchs, bigots, racists, transphobes, and political elites who only want to feed their power and purses.

Looks like he's an acolyte of nick fuentes, so it's a neo nazi killing a far right activist........if true

[paddy no 11]

I'll edit that

The kash patel statement- Jesus wept

[Which Tyler]

[Which Tyler]

So, it looks like the shooter, or the current suspect at least, is a cis, right wing nutjob, rather than the trans socialist.
For some reason, the messaging seems to have done a 180, and changed from "this means war against the left, with revenge killings, and mass arrests" to "thoughts and prayers, this is not the time to politicise the issue"

[Stom]

And all the people on FB and commentators saying: This is an attack on our free speech! Our rights! Our free speech!...

When, of course, it had nothing to do with that.

And Kirk's idea of free speech was to shout louder than others, and not listen anyway...

Jeez, I wish the world would just cut off America.

[morepork]

And all the people on FB and commentators saying: This is an attack on our free speech! Our rights! Our free speech!...

When, of course, it had nothing to do with that.

And Kirk's idea of free speech was to shout louder than others, and not listen anyway...

Jeez, I wish the world would just cut off America.

Then you wouldn’t have Little Walter or Koko Taylor. Or Nina Simone.

[Mikey Brown]

I don’t know who this person is, hopefully not someone who holds a lot of influence, but that is such a profoundly depressing way of thinking.

[Puja]

I don’t know who this person is, hopefully not someone who holds a lot of influence, but that is such a profoundly depressing way of thinking.

It's the fact that all the minority groups I saw posting yesterday were saying, "Ah shit, this is going to be America's Reichstag fire moment" [terror over the fall of freedom and democracy], while this dude appears to be unironically saying, "Ah shit, this is going to be America's Reichstag fire moment" [Glee at the prospect of impending Nazi dictatorship].

Puja

[Son of Mathonwy]

I don’t know who this person is, hopefully not someone who holds a lot of influence, but that is such a profoundly depressing way of thinking.

It's the fact that all the minority groups I saw posting yesterday were saying, "Ah shit, this is going to be America's Reichstag fire moment" [terror over the fall of freedom and democracy], while this dude appears to be unironically saying, "Ah shit, this is going to be America's Reichstag fire moment" [Glee at the prospect of impending Nazi dictatorship].

Puja

Yes, he does very much seem to be saying bring on the American Nazi dictatorship. Never heard of the guy but I'll assume he's a Nazi till I hear otherwise.

[Which Tyler]

It's the fact that all the minority groups I saw posting yesterday were saying, "Ah shit, this is going to be America's Reichstag fire moment" [terror over the fall of freedom and democracy], while this dude appears to be unironically saying, "Ah shit, this is going to be America's Reichstag fire moment" [Glee at the prospect of impending Nazi dictatorship].

Exactly this.
Even if it's trolling, its deeply concerning

[Puja]

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17CJM5uGG5/

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Puja

[Mikey Brown]

Yep. I’m back to my stance of just turning off the internet completely.

[Son of Mathonwy]

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17CJM5uGG5/

Puja

It's difficult to determine whether Robinson is a Groyper (not least because I hadn't heard of the far-right, pro-dictatorship group before today*). The mainstream press certainly aren't going there (yet). There are plausible links but I've not seen anything solid.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/what-groyper- ... ne-1744015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers


* I think I was happier yesterday