trickle-down economics has fallen on it's arse for every one of the last 40-odd years.
The mega-wealthy squirrel their £ away in offshore bank accounts as a way to keep score against each other. It's taken out of circulation and kept on computers, and away from prying eyes.
The moderately wealth spend their £ back into the economy, where each £ works to create more £s, they also tend to pay their share of income tax.
The poor have to choose which essentials to spend their £ on, which generally means generating £ for the mega-wealthy, so that they can take it back out of circulation again.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:51 pm
by morepork
Wow. She is a Category 5 mutant. Just doubling down on the stupid. I wouldn't let her run a meat raffle. God help you all.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 11:18 am
by Banquo
Glad that Labour, or just someone, has grasped the obvious opportunity in (talking about) the creation of a green 'industry' with the wins that come with it, not least in actually producing stuff again. That is worth borrowing money to pump prime imo.
And Labour sings the national anthem and pays tribute to the Queen. Interesting times.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:57 pm
by Which Tyler
Please note, the quoted twitter thread is satire, it may not be 100% accurate in all matters.
Please note, the quoted twitter thread is satire, it may not be 100% accurate in all matters.
I thought Margarine Thatcher was perfect, only for it to be topped by this quip in the replies:
Puja
You can't say that it hasn't been an interesting start....
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:25 pm
by Which Tyler
A friend of mine (presumably not his originally) has "asked" Channel 4 to start a new political analysis show with Ed Miliband called "Chaos, with Ed Milliband"
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:09 pm
by morepork
It's just such a spectacular own goal. Will be hard to beat unless you vote in an actual mollusc at the next election.
Further highlights of Liz's tour of local radio stations:
As for Truss - I see the polls are bad enough that she's had to don the high-vis jacket and hard hat, to bring some supporters back onside, but not bad enough to wear a lab coat and get in the way of hospital treatments; and certainly not bad enough yet to get a photo-op with Zelenskyi
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:23 am
by Puja
Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:49 pm
33% lead for Labour. Will Truss even survive till the Tory conference?
Probably an outlier (compared to one just a day before by Kantar Public that somehow came to the conclusion that it's only a 4% lead! ), but other polls are turning up 17-21% leads, which are devastating enough. Even the worst of those is giving Labour a 40 seat majority (and Lib Dem 25, Green 1, Plaid Cymru 3 and SNP 49, all of whom have MPs who could be negotiated with in case of difficult voting). Conservatives would be an utterly isolated 207.
And that is the best of the rational polls for the Tories right now.
Which Tyler wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:17 amAs for Truss - I see the polls are bad enough that she's had to don the high-vis jacket and hard hat, to bring some supporters back onside, but not bad enough to wear a lab coat and get in the way of hospital treatments; and certainly not bad enough yet to get a photo-op with Zelenskyi
I love the idea of a scale of damage limitation public appearance. Where does hiding in a fridge come?
Puja
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:33 am
by Which Tyler
Puja wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:23 amI love the idea of a scale of damage limitation public appearance. Where does hiding in a fridge come?
Probably an outlier (compared to one just a day before by Kantar Public that somehow came to the conclusion that it's only a 4% lead! ), but other polls are turning up 17-21% leads, which are devastating enough. Even the worst of those is giving Labour a 40 seat majority (and Lib Dem 25, Green 1, Plaid Cymru 3 and SNP 49, all of whom have MPs who could be negotiated with in case of difficult voting). Conservatives would be an utterly isolated 207.
And that is the best of the rational polls for the Tories right now.
Which Tyler wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:17 amAs for Truss - I see the polls are bad enough that she's had to don the high-vis jacket and hard hat, to bring some supporters back onside, but not bad enough to wear a lab coat and get in the way of hospital treatments; and certainly not bad enough yet to get a photo-op with Zelenskyi
I love the idea of a scale of damage limitation public appearance. Where does hiding in a fridge come?
Puja
Another poll (hilariously for GB News) gives a 30% lead for Labour.
Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:34 pm
She's going to destroy the Tories but it's going to be a tough 2 years with long-lasting damage.
She's a quick worker.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:02 pm
by Puja
I noticed on Twitter that Eddie Izzard was trending. Clicked out of interest and it turns out she was photographed using a women's toilet and there are (entirely unsourced) rumours that Labour are planning to put her onto an all-female shortlist to be a candidate for MP. So Sharon from Clacton and Trisha from Barking are up in arms with the usual bullshit at the slightest provocation (and ignoring the fact that someone's taking surreptitious pictures of a person in a bathroom and claiming *they're* the one being creepy and invasive).
We're not going to discuss anything to do with that situation because of board rules. But isn't it a crazy random happenstance that culture war bullshit has organically sprung up, just at the exact time when the Conservatives are fucking the economy and would really like a wedge issue for the opposition to take attention rather than their fuck-ups? What lucky timing! A fortunate coincidence. Serendipity in action. The sheer randomness of the universe. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Probably an outlier (compared to one just a day before by Kantar Public that somehow came to the conclusion that it's only a 4% lead! ), but other polls are turning up 17-21% leads, which are devastating enough. Even the worst of those is giving Labour a 40 seat majority (and Lib Dem 25, Green 1, Plaid Cymru 3 and SNP 49, all of whom have MPs who could be negotiated with in case of difficult voting). Conservatives would be an utterly isolated 207.
And that is the best of the rational polls for the Tories right now.
Which Tyler wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:17 amAs for Truss - I see the polls are bad enough that she's had to don the high-vis jacket and hard hat, to bring some supporters back onside, but not bad enough to wear a lab coat and get in the way of hospital treatments; and certainly not bad enough yet to get a photo-op with Zelenskyi
I love the idea of a scale of damage limitation public appearance. Where does hiding in a fridge come?
Puja
Another poll (hilariously for GB News) gives a 30% lead for Labour.
Probably an outlier (compared to one just a day before by Kantar Public that somehow came to the conclusion that it's only a 4% lead! ), but other polls are turning up 17-21% leads, which are devastating enough. Even the worst of those is giving Labour a 40 seat majority (and Lib Dem 25, Green 1, Plaid Cymru 3 and SNP 49, all of whom have MPs who could be negotiated with in case of difficult voting). Conservatives would be an utterly isolated 207.
And that is the best of the rational polls for the Tories right now.
I love the idea of a scale of damage limitation public appearance. Where does hiding in a fridge come?
Puja
Another poll (hilariously for GB News) gives a 30% lead for Labour.
Another poll with a 32% lead for Labour. It's no freak poll result - it's what people think.
No knowing how long the ~30% lead will last but it's real.
Truss is toxic to the one thing the Tories really care about - the polls.
I stand absolutely corrected. Those figures would take the Tories to under 100 seats, which would be hilarious.
I don't really know what the upshot of it is though. Truss appears determined that history will prove her right and so will neither change course nor step down. The Conservatives can't call a vote on her for another 10 months and, while they could oust her with mass resignations, they surely can't possibly be thinking they can stage another coup in the space of a year, especially given the margin she won the leadership contest by. She's packed the cabinet with her loyalists anyway, so it wouldn't happen, plus there's always the risk of a Boris comeback tour to take into account. They also won't follow a vote of no confidence, as it'd be guaranteed electoral wipeout to have an election now.
On the other hand... do they leave her there? If interest rates go up to 6%, services are cut to ribbons, and Truss's oft-repeated line of "Energy bills won't go over £2,500" is discovered to be complete bollocks, it could be a very hard winter and these polls could look like halcyon days for the Conservatives.
Another poll with a 32% lead for Labour. It's no freak poll result - it's what people think.
No knowing how long the ~30% lead will last but it's real.
Truss is toxic to the one thing the Tories really care about - the polls.
I stand absolutely corrected. Those figures would take the Tories to under 100 seats, which would be hilarious.
I don't really know what the upshot of it is though. Truss appears determined that history will prove her right and so will neither change course nor step down. The Conservatives can't call a vote on her for another 10 months and, while they could oust her with mass resignations, they surely can't possibly be thinking they can stage another coup in the space of a year, especially given the margin she won the leadership contest by. She's packed the cabinet with her loyalists anyway, so it wouldn't happen, plus there's always the risk of a Boris comeback tour to take into account. They also won't follow a vote of no confidence, as it'd be guaranteed electoral wipeout to have an election now.
On the other hand... do they leave her there? If interest rates go up to 6%, services are cut to ribbons, and Truss's oft-repeated line of "Energy bills won't go over £2,500" is discovered to be complete bollocks, it could be a very hard winter and these polls could look like halcyon days for the Conservatives.
Puja
Agreed her cabinet and ministers are probably too loyal or new in their jobs to be willing to resign. But if enough backbenchers want her gone they just vote down anything she wants to put through Parliament. She could threaten a general election (which even Boris wasn't willing to do) or be a total lame duck or resign.
However, if she steps down, there will be another leadership contest. Sunak, Johnson and Mordaunt would all fancy it*, and probably several others. So who knows what would emerge from that process? Wouldn't bet against Boris again . . . but they could get lucky and get Sunak (lucky is relative here - he would still be very bad news for the country IMO). I guess the sensible Tories would hope to get Sunak and Mordaunt into the last 2, so there wouldn't be a totally catastrophic end result.
The alternative for the Tories is to allow this crazy person to utterly destroy any shred of good reputation they have left and build a long-term enmity in the country against them. Do they have a long term view for their party (and indeed any responsibility for the state of their country) or would they sacrifice all that for a couple more years in the job?
* having said that, none of those three would want to lead a rebellion - even if it would be a more effective rebellion with them running it. They'd all want to sit back and watch Truss destroy herself so they could pick up the pieces with their hands clean. (Notwithstanding Mordaunt is being slightly tainted by being in Truss's cabinet).
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2022 12:19 pm
by Sandydragon
There is a chance that the 1922 Committee will change the rules and allow an early vote of no confidence with no membership ballot. But I think it would need a huge number of MPs threatening to vote against the government or even cross the floor for that to happen.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:27 am
by Son of Mathonwy
When you drill down to the dregs of this Tory party, if you scrape the barrel deeply enough, after a rich steam of crazy you get to pure evil:
Simon Clarke tells us to prepare for even greater levels of austerity.
), but other polls are turning up 17-21% leads, which are devastating enough. Even the worst of those is giving Labour a 40 seat majority (and Lib Dem 25, Green 1, Plaid Cymru 3 and SNP 49, all of whom have MPs who could be negotiated with in case of difficult voting). Conservatives would be an utterly isolated 207.