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Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:27 am When you drill down to the dregs of this Tory party, if you scrape the barrel deeply enough, after a rich steam of crazy you get to pure evil:

Simon Clarke tells us to prepare for even greater levels of austerity.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trus ... -cbjkw5b8n

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... party.html

There is precious little left to cut unless they stop delivering key services. Most government departments have been stripped back. The ongoing war on the civil service by this government shows no sign of relenting.

Sandydragon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 1:59 pm

Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 10:27 am When you drill down to the dregs of this Tory party, if you scrape the barrel deeply enough, after a rich steam of crazy you get to pure evil:

Simon Clarke tells us to prepare for even greater levels of austerity.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trus ... -cbjkw5b8n

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... party.html

There is precious little left to cut unless they stop delivering key services. Most government departments have been stripped back. The ongoing war on the civil service by this government shows no sign of relenting.

Exactly. After twelve years of austerity there are no efficiency savings, only cuts to services (which must be pretty essential if they've survived the aforementioned twelve years of cuts). Need benefits to make ends meet after your gig economy job? Tough shit peasant, should have got a high skill, high wage job.

If they cut eduction then how is growth going to come about without skills?

If they cut defence in the current climate then they are truely mad. More investment needed there not less.

I can’t see them cutting policing or border force.

NHS is a massive hot potato but who knows.

Slowing down benefit increases would seem an obvious target.

Smashing anything environmental would also be a possibility.

But I don’t see how he is going to balance the books without stopping something major.

Sandydragon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:03 pm If they cut eduction then how is growth going to come about without skills?

If they cut defence in the current climate then they are truely mad. More investment needed there not less.

I can’t see them cutting policing or border force.

NHS is a massive hot potato but who knows.

Slowing down benefit increases would seem an obvious target.

Smashing anything environmental would also be a possibility.

But I don’t see how he is going to balance the books without stopping something major.

Benefits increases well below inflation. They already said they're looking at it, so this will presumably happen. Deeply unethical but that's Britannia Unchained for ya.

Similar for pensions seems unlikely but this lot are crazy so who knows??

Are there some chunks of the NHS they can sell off? That would be a good fit for their ideology, but Osbourne probably beat them to the juicy stuff.

Cuts to justice and prisons? Cuts to the courts would make the whole thing seize up. Prisons - can they be packed in even tighter? Further cuts here would be sick, but Truss's lot will have no empathy for the harm caused.

"Let them eat cake"


"Peasants don't have rights"

Bonfire of business regulations. Well they won’t die wondering.

"not subject to business regulation". What the fuck does that mean? Termination without notice? Zero hour contracts? No health and safety? You are allowed to shoot employees if they ask for holiday pay? Just astounding.

<500 as well, so that's about 85% of the labor force.


(NB, number plucked from my arse - I know it's the overwhelming majority, but actually how many - suspect I've lowballed it though)

Loving how this is all Gove’s fault. I think we can assume that enough Tory MPs made it clear that they would vote with Labour to defeat this disgraceful budget and Truss has finally seen sense, or more likely smelt defeat.

But it’s worth remembering that the 45p tax rate was but one issue and how much the axe will swing on budgets across government is another matter.

Sandydragon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 8:28 am Loving how this is all Gove’s fault. I think we can assume that enough Tory MPs made it clear that they would vote with Labour to defeat this disgraceful budget and Truss has finally seen sense, or more likely smelt defeat.

But it’s worth remembering that the 45p tax rate was but one issue and how much the axe will swing on budgets across government is another matter.

This is the thing. Well done Truss U-turning on this one by that still leaves £43BN out of £45BN of tax cuts to fund.

And we know this is only being dropped because it won't get through Parliament. They'll revive it the instant they think it will pass.

Labour need to make it clear to business and the country that the will reinstate any worker/environmental protections etc the Tories at tearing up. Like, don't get used to it, it won't last long.

I wonder if it makes sense to threaten business with a 'windfall' tax on any profits they make from breaching current business regulations?

Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:08 pm Labour need to make it clear to business and the country that the will reinstate any worker/environmental protections etc the Tories at tearing up. Like, don't get used to it, it won't last long.

I wonder if it makes sense to threaten business with a 'windfall' tax on any profits they make from breaching current business regulations?

No. It looks a bit harsh to hammer business for following government rules of the day. Some will look to profit and then they will have the cost of reimplementing controls when Labour are elected. I'd prefer that Labour get business onside.

Sandydragon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:27 pm

Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:08 pm Labour need to make it clear to business and the country that the will reinstate any worker/environmental protections etc the Tories at tearing up. Like, don't get used to it, it won't last long.

I wonder if it makes sense to threaten business with a 'windfall' tax on any profits they make from breaching current business regulations?

No. It looks a bit harsh to hammer business for following government rules of the day. Some will look to profit and then they will have the cost of reimplementing controls when Labour are elected. I'd prefer that Labour get business onside.

I imagine the cautious Labour leadership will agree with that but is it really hammering business to tell them now to keep following current regs? It's not like they'd be caught unawares.

The alternative would definitely be to allow workers and the environment to get 'hammered'.

An added bonus would be to show the weakness of the government if a substantial number of businesses continued to comply.

Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:51 pm

Sandydragon wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:03 pm If they cut eduction then how is growth going to come about without skills?

If they cut defence in the current climate then they are truely mad. More investment needed there not less.

I can’t see them cutting policing or border force.

NHS is a massive hot potato but who knows.

Slowing down benefit increases would seem an obvious target.

Smashing anything environmental would also be a possibility.

But I don’t see how he is going to balance the books without stopping something major.

Benefits increases well below inflation. They already said they're looking at it, so this will presumably happen. Deeply unethical but that's Britannia Unchained for ya.

Similar for pensions seems unlikely but this lot are crazy so who knows??

Are there some chunks of the NHS they can sell off? That would be a good fit for their ideology, but Osbourne probably beat them to the juicy stuff.

Cuts to justice and prisons? Cuts to the courts would make the whole thing seize up. Prisons - can they be packed in even tighter? Further cuts here would be sick, but Truss's lot will have no empathy for the harm caused.

... It just crossed my mind, if they need a few billion, why not scrap HS2?

Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:36 pm

Sandydragon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:27 pm

Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:08 pm Labour need to make it clear to business and the country that the will reinstate any worker/environmental protections etc the Tories at tearing up. Like, don't get used to it, it won't last long.

I wonder if it makes sense to threaten business with a 'windfall' tax on any profits they make from breaching current business regulations?

No. It looks a bit harsh to hammer business for following government rules of the day. Some will look to profit and then they will have the cost of reimplementing controls when Labour are elected. I'd prefer that Labour get business onside.

I imagine the cautious Labour leadership will agree with that but is it really hammering business to tell them now to keep following current regs? It's not like they'd be caught unawares.

The alternative would definitely be to allow workers and the environment to get 'hammered'.

An added bonus would be to show the weakness of the government if a substantial number of businesses continued to comply.

If the reversal policy i in the Labour manifesto then business leaders will be very aware of what's coming. You could even suggest that the implementation time will be very short before compliance is enforced, meaning that businesses will think it not worthwhile to change to then have to change back again. Some will do so nonetheless but when they can't comply they get hammered.

Easier than looking at profits across an industry.

Regarding HS2 I fully agree. HS3 makes more sense and whilst IO do get the argument that HS2 was more about capacity than speed for the lines into London, that argument has been diluted due to increased working from home.

So GDPR, or DPA18, is to be reviewed. One of the bonfire of hindrances to business. Unless you do business with the EU in which case you will need a framework that provides adequacy.

And of course not a great day for data subjects, ie all of us, as businesses try to do more with our data.

Sandydragon wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:46 pm So GDPR, or DPA18, is to be reviewed. One of the bonfire of hindrances to business. Unless you do business with the EU in which case you will need a framework that provides adequacy.

And of course not a great day for data subjects, ie all of us, as businesses try to do more with our data.

lol. So you take out GDPR, but companies still need to provide it, as as soon as someone comes in from the EU, they'll be in breech of EU law. Hilarious.

Which Tyler wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:23 pm

Christ, these shitfucks screaming about the Cannabinoid Boogeyman need to fuck all the way off the nearest cliff. "Oooga booga boo, marijuana is bad for you." Fuck off.

We all know this is just about harsher policing of communities that have the temerity, the nerve and the audacity to be "not white," right? It's racist bullshit, has been and always will be.

Who had "Tory wants to bring back slavery" on their bingo card?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... hris-philp

I'm really trying not to engage with all this shit, but Braverman managing to consistently stand out as even more brazenly disgusting than the rest of them is quite some feat.

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 2:12 pm I'm really trying not to engage with all this shit, but Braverman managing to consistently stand out as even more brazenly disgusting than the rest of them is quite some feat.

She is somehow managing to make Priti Patel seem reasonable. Perhaps slightly less bullying to her staff and more encouragement by cake but the 2 are otherwise on the same page!

cashead wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:22 pm

Which Tyler wrote: ↑Mon Oct 03, 2022 1:23 pm

Christ, these shitfucks screaming about the Cannabinoid Boogeyman need to fuck all the way off the nearest cliff. "Oooga booga boo, marijuana is bad for you." Fuck off.

We all know this is just about harsher policing of communities that have the temerity, the nerve and the audacity to be "not white," right? It's racist bullshit, has been and always will be.

Hey, those poor people aren't going to arrest themselves. The number of people who's lives have been fucked up by a minor possession charge is so completely out of whack it's ridiculous. This is just another stick to beat the under served with. Remember Paula Bennett pushing that meth contamination hype so John's Keys could flog off state housing to private investors?

morepork wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:29 pmHey, those poor people aren't going to arrest themselves. The number of people who's lives have been fucked up by a minor possession charge is so completely out of whack it's ridiculous. This is just another stick to beat the under served with. Remember Paula Bennett pushing that meth contamination hype so John's Keys could flog off state housing to private investors?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... nalization

Biden pardons thousands convicted of ‘simple possession’ of marijuana

The president called on governors to issue similar pardons in a step toward addressing charging practices that impact people of color