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Interesting - but, so what...

An event in Germany dating back more than a hundred years could have had a profound effect on the 2016 US presidential election, a newly-discovered royal decree appears to prove.

Historian Roland Paul has found a directive dated February 1905, which orders the deportation of President-Elect Donald Trump’s German grandfather from what was then the kingdom of Bavaria.

Attracted by the gold rush, Friedrich Trump emigrated to America from Kallstadt – now in the state of Rhineland-Palatinate – at the age of 16. But he neglected to register the move.

Twenty years later, in 1905, he wrote a letter to the Bavarian Prince Regent Luitpold asking permission to repatriate to his hometown for good.

Officials reportedly rejected him because he failed to do his mandatory military service.

He and his wife eventually returned to the States in July, 1905, the latter three months pregnant with Donald Trump’s father.

http://www.euronews.com/2016/11/21/dona ... om-germany

Incidentally, JFK shot 53 years ago today. Still a mystery

So, Trump has changed his mind on Obamacare and prosecuting Hillary. The wall has been downgraded to a fence and he's turned his back on his bigoted supporters.

The twat isn't in office yet and he's managed to come across as a fully fledged politician already. I'm impressed, but I can't imagine all his supporters will be as impressed, especially the ones baying for Hillary's blood!

WaspInWales wrote:So, Trump has changed his mind on Obamacare and prosecuting Hillary. The wall has been downgraded to a fence and he's turned his back on his bigoted supporters.

The twat isn't in office yet and he's managed to come across as a fully fledged politician already. I'm impressed, but I can't imagine all his supporters will be as impressed, especially the ones baying for Hillary's blood!

As if he would've been able to live up to any of the shit he promised to do.

cashead wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:So, Trump has changed his mind on Obamacare and prosecuting Hillary. The wall has been downgraded to a fence and he's turned his back on his bigoted supporters.

The twat isn't in office yet and he's managed to come across as a fully fledged politician already. I'm impressed, but I can't imagine all his supporters will be as impressed, especially the ones baying for Hillary's blood!

As if he would've been able to live up to any of the shit he promised to do.

I know, that's why I was hoping he would win. Just to see the fallout, but it seems the only people pissed off at the moment are democrat supporters.

I'm hoping things will pick up when Trump takes office and has to deal with more intelligent people running other countries.

WaspInWales wrote:

cashead wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:So, Trump has changed his mind on Obamacare and prosecuting Hillary. The wall has been downgraded to a fence and he's turned his back on his bigoted supporters.

The twat isn't in office yet and he's managed to come across as a fully fledged politician already. I'm impressed, but I can't imagine all his supporters will be as impressed, especially the ones baying for Hillary's blood!

As if he would've been able to live up to any of the shit he promised to do.

I know, that's why I was hoping he would win. Just to see the fallout, but it seems the only people pissed off at the moment are democrat supporters.

I'm hoping things will pick up when Trump takes office and has to deal with more intelligent people running other countries.

The odds that he'll even see through his term is quite slim, and his backpedalling is already starting to piss off his supporters as well. In fact, he's backpedalling so fast, he's about to reverse the planet's rotation and turn back time like Superman.

So when will he figure out that he is constitutionally barred from using his office to further his business interests?

Fuck me he is thick.

He has suggested his son in law could help broker "peace" between Israel and Palestine.


Christ on a bike, what a fucktard.

Lizard wrote:So when will he figure out that he is constitutionally barred from using his office to further his business interests?

Is he though? I had rather assumed he was legally required to put his businesses into a blind trust.

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

Lizard wrote:So when will he figure out that he is constitutionally barred from using his office to further his business interests?

Is he though? I had rather assumed he was legally required to put his businesses into a blind trust.

Yeah, he is. And that legal requirement is due to the US Constitution.

I don't normally trust Time magazine but this explains and links most of the basics.

http://time.com/4579979/emoluments-clau ... ald-trump/


TL;DR: Trump is a shonky wheeler-dealer

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

Lizard wrote:So when will he figure out that he is constitutionally barred from using his office to further his business interests?

Is he though? I had rather assumed he was legally required to put his businesses into a blind trust.

Yeah, he is. And that legal requirement is due to the US Constitution.

I don't normally trust Time magazine but this explains and links most of the basics.

http://time.com/4579979/emoluments-clau ... ald-trump/


TL;DR: Trump is a shonky wheeler-dealer

He may have already violated the emoluments clause.

http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#! ... nts-clause

I watched George Galloway speaking live in Edinburgh on Facebook the other day and it made a few things much clearer. I was guilty of believing too much of what was being written not only in the mainstream press but also on the alternative news sites. Clinton's election was being presented as a fait accompli, and after Obama's failure to follow up on his pledges (with regards to foreign policy anyway), I'd given up all hope and reached the conclusion democracy was out for the count in the USA - especially since Trump presented such a bizarre spectacle with his political incorrectness I couldn't even take him seriously. But I should have listened more to the likes of Galloway. John Pilger, Michael Moore and others who saw it coming. According to Galloway the exact same forces as those which brought about Brexit were at play in the US elections. Trump drew his support from the disaffected and disenfranchised, the former blue collar workers of what has come to be known as the 'Rust Belt,' who blame their lot on competition from immigrants and the sycophancy of the political establishment. Clinton promised more of the same, while Trump, for all his obvious faults, promised to bring about change. So he was basically elected for the same reason Obama was, but with a warts and all approach in stark contrast to the carefully-phrased platitudes and dazzling charm of an incumbent who has failed to deliver. I wrongly suggested Clinton was getting the bulk of her support from middle class white women. The majority of white women voted for Trump (53%). Obviously jobs for themselves and their husbands, and opportunities for their sons and daughters, were of far greater importance to them than any ego gratification from seeing the first woman in the White House. Again, we were misled by the media on this point. So you live and learn. Democracy is far from out for the count in America, even if the election did only come down to a choice of the lesser evil.

rowan wrote:I watched George Galloway speaking live in Edinburgh on Facebook the other day and it made a few things much clearer.

I don't know how much clearer it could be made that Galloway is a wretched piece of human slime.

What's next, I wonder? Marine Le Pen for France? Hollande is looking very weak, while Le Pen is currently polling at 20% of the total vote and seems destined to make it to the final round...

rowan wrote:I watched George Galloway speaking live in Edinburgh on Facebook the other day and it made a few things much clearer. I was guilty of believing too much of what was being written not only in the mainstream press but also on the alternative news sites. Clinton's election was being presented as a fait accompli, and after Obama's failure to follow up on his pledges (with regards to foreign policy anyway), I'd given up all hope and reached the conclusion democracy was out for the count in the USA - especially since Trump presented such a bizarre spectacle with his political incorrectness I couldn't even take him seriously. But I should have listened more to the likes of Galloway. John Pilger, Michael Moore and others who saw it coming. According to Galloway the exact same forces as those which brought about Brexit were at play in the US elections. Trump drew his support from the disaffected and disenfranchised, the former blue collar workers of what has come to be known as the 'Rust Belt,' who blame their lot on competition from immigrants and the sycophancy of the political establishment. Clinton promised more of the same, while Trump, for all his obvious faults, promised to bring about change. So he was basically elected for the same reason Obama was, but with a warts and all approach in stark contrast to the carefully-phrased platitudes and dazzling charm of an incumbent who has failed to deliver. I wrongly suggested Clinton was getting the bulk of her support from middle class white women. The majority of white women voted for Trump (53%). Obviously jobs for themselves and their husbands, and opportunities for their sons and daughters, were of far greater importance to them than any ego gratification from seeing the first woman in the White House. Again, we were misled by the media on this point. So you live and learn. Democracy is far from out for the count in America, even if the election did only come down to a choice of the lesser evil.

Looks like one US "celeb" is reneging on her promise to leave the US if Trump got elected.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainmen ... -1.2886307

Why go to a shytehole PC dystopia like Canada?

Mexico is the place to be.

cashead wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:So, Trump has changed his mind on Obamacare and prosecuting Hillary. The wall has been downgraded to a fence and he's turned his back on his bigoted supporters.

The twat isn't in office yet and he's managed to come across as a fully fledged politician already. I'm impressed, but I can't imagine all his supporters will be as impressed, especially the ones baying for Hillary's blood!

As if he would've been able to live up to any of the shit he promised to do.

No mention of Jill Stein's calls for a recount in Wisconsin and possibly Pennsylvania and Michigan?

If a recount shows Clinton won, what happens then?

WaspInWales wrote:No mention of Jill Stein's calls for a recount in Wisconsin and possibly Pennsylvania and Michigan?

If a recount shows Clinton won, what happens then?

No idea. 'twould be very interesting.

Why isn't she calling for recounts of closely contested states which Hillary won?

Trump would likely pick up more votes if there were a recount in Wisconsin and Michigan http://www.margieburns.com/2016/11/reco ... U.facebook

rowan wrote:What's next, I wonder? Marine Le Pen for France? Hollande is looking very weak, while Le Pen is currently polling at 20% of the total vote and seems destined to make it to the final round...

She will be in the second turn, but the FN is still not seen as a democratic party and most will vote for the Democratic candidate: Fillon ( :'( ) .

WaspInWales wrote:No mention of Jill Stein's calls for a recount in Wisconsin and possibly Pennsylvania and Michigan?

If a recount shows Clinton won, what happens then?

How many states would need to show irregularities for it to actually make a difference?

Sandydragon wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:No mention of Jill Stein's calls for a recount in Wisconsin and possibly Pennsylvania and Michigan?

If a recount shows Clinton won, what happens then?

How many states would need to show irregularities for it to actually make a difference?

If Clinton won those states, she'd be president-elect.

It would be kinda ironic if that happened thanks to Stein.

I'm unsure on what would happen if it turns out the count is wrong? Will it be in the hands of the lawmakers or will Trump be forced to concede even after Clinton conceded?

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These exact discrepancies existed on mass in the Democratic primaries - huge deviations between exit polling and actual results, and deviation between electronic results and paper ballots, combined with the the subsequent unveiling of the DNC's actions behind the scenes - and people were told they were tin foil hat conspiracists and needed to move on.