Anti-Russian rhetoric

[kk67]

It seems that access to each clients data has led to their Friends being also assessed. So direct marketing suddenly becomes a whole lot simpler.

[Stones of granite]

Wasn't the Cambridge Analytica guy caught saying he could arrange for compromising photos to be taken with beautiful Ukranian women? That's probably enough to swing my vote to be fair.

I can’t be influenced by beautiful Ukrainian women more than 2 or 3 times a week, not at my age.

[Stones of granite]

It seems that access to each clients data has led to their Friends being also assessed. So direct marketing suddenly becomes a whole lot simpler.

Huh! They must be a bit confused by some of my friends.

[kk67]

I've never fancied them. Not my thang.

Ukrainian girls and Stones mates.

[morepork]

Wasn't the Cambridge Analytica guy caught saying he could arrange for compromising photos to be taken with beautiful Ukranian women? That's probably enough to swing my vote to be fair.

I can’t be influenced by beautiful Ukrainian women more than 2 or 3 times a week, not at my age.

Shit man, I'll wank you off for a pint.

[kk67]

Wasn't the Cambridge Analytica guy caught saying he could arrange for compromising photos to be taken with beautiful Ukranian women? That's probably enough to swing my vote to be fair.

I can’t be influenced by beautiful Ukrainian women more than 2 or 3 times a week, not at my age.

Shit man, I'll wank you off for a pint.

Settle down, Lembit.

[kk67]

I already knew about Nix being a dodgy feck but this Kiwi fella, Chaundler ?. He's a new one for me.
Legatum Charity Institute and the foundation..?. Notoriously media shy. Seems to be funding some dodgy scenarios for his benefit.

[Stones of granite]

Wasn't the Cambridge Analytica guy caught saying he could arrange for compromising photos to be taken with beautiful Ukranian women? That's probably enough to swing my vote to be fair.

I can’t be influenced by beautiful Ukrainian women more than 2 or 3 times a week, not at my age.

Shit man, I'll wank you off for a pint.

Hmm...girly 16oz pint or proper Imperial, 20oz?

[cashead]

Exactly how they target this minority is secondary. Once they've identified them that's enough.

Oh right, so they identify a key minority who think a particular way, then broadcast a targeted message to everyone knowing that that minority will be particularly receptive to it?

Yeah, sort of. A person with social media accounts tends to follow or link to a set type of person - i.e. ones that they agree with, even in the case of a Never Meet Your Heroes Machine like Twitter can be. This then creates a sort of bubble, and due to different life experiences, social groups, etc., it's not unusual for these bubbles to rarely, if ever, actually interact, outside of the odd instance where someone's post goes viral for whatever reason.

Once someone (or groups of such people) with certain intentions and reasonable technical know-how/financial backing/both create a fairly convincing fake news account and convincing enough at a glance news content with a suitably outrageous headline (something along the lines of, say, "Hillary Clinton fixing to repeal the 13th Amendment," "Bernie wants to repeal the 2nd Amendment!" etc.), you drop that bomb into one of those bubbles, and then it pays off later, because on voting day, enough members of the targeted demographic will either mobilise to vote, or stay home because fuck those fucking fucks, I ain't votin' for them.

[Stones of granite]

Exactly how they target this minority is secondary. Once they've identified them that's enough.

Oh right, so they identify a key minority who think a particular way, then broadcast a targeted message to everyone knowing that that minority will be particularly receptive to it?

Yeah, sort of. A person with social media accounts tends to follow or link to a set type of person - i.e. ones that they agree with, even in the case of a Never Meet Your Heroes Machine like Twitter can be. This then creates a sort of bubble, and due to different life experiences, social groups, etc., it's not unusual for these bubbles to rarely, if ever, actually interact, outside of the odd instance where someone's post goes viral for whatever reason.

Once someone (or groups of such people) with certain intentions and reasonable technical know-how/financial backing/both create a fairly convincing fake news account and convincing enough at a glance news content with a suitably outrageous headline (something along the lines of, say, "Hillary Clinton fixing to repeal the 13th Amendment," "Bernie wants to repeal the 2nd Amendment!" etc.), you drop that bomb into one of those bubbles, and then it pays off later, because on voting day, enough members of the targeted demographic will either mobilise to vote, or stay home because fuck those fucking fucks, I ain't votin' for them.

Got it. Cheers.

[kk67]

They're PR companies with super-tech and access.
I'm not sure if they mostly have a right-wing agenda because they're just knuts, because the right-wing can pay the most for the services or because they are spawned by a nefarious Establishment.

But they are Establishment IT cronies.

[rowan]

"The Russians had some twenty million civilians and over ten million members of the armed services killed in the war begun by Hitler when he invaded Russia in Operation Barbarossa on June 22, 1941. To in any fashion equate present-day Russia with Hitler’s Germany is obscene, malevolent and preposterous to a degree that appears impossible for the British government and most of the media to understand."

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/23 ... sh-public/

[Digby]

The party in the UK with the best software when it comes to targeting specific voters who can be viewed as sympathetic to the aims of the party are the SNP, well known bastions of the right wing that they are. Actually the SNP are the best on turning out their vote, and making sure floaters who aren't coming out for them will stay at home.

[kk67]

The Conservative heartland are hicks. Just like the US. Their owners control everything.
There are many, many right-wing think-tanks funded by mercenary, psychopathic entrepreneurs.
It's the biggest enemy we face.

[rowan]

"The Russians had some twenty million civilians and over ten million members of the armed services killed in the war begun by Hitler when he invaded Russia in Operation Barbarossa on June 22, 1941. To in any fashion equate present-day Russia with Hitler’s Germany is obscene, malevolent and preposterous to a degree that appears impossible for the British government and most of the media to understand."

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/23 ... sh-public/

Of course, they weren't all Russians, to be fair. But the writer makes a good point. If Boris Johnson had compared the Israelis to the Nazis he'd have been forced to resign within 24 hours...

[morepork]

"The Russians had some twenty million civilians and over ten million members of the armed services killed in the war begun by Hitler when he invaded Russia in Operation Barbarossa on June 22, 1941. To in any fashion equate present-day Russia with Hitler’s Germany is obscene, malevolent and preposterous to a degree that appears impossible for the British government and most of the media to understand."

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/23 ... sh-public/

Of course, they weren't all Russians, to be fair. But the writer makes a good point. If Boris Johnson had compared the Israelis to the Nazis he'd have been forced to resign within 24 hours...

Nobody on here would disagree with either Johnson being an idiot or the fact of horrendous loss of Russian life in WWII.

[cashead]

"The Russians had some twenty million civilians and over ten million members of the armed services killed in the war begun by Hitler when he invaded Russia in Operation Barbarossa on June 22, 1941. To in any fashion equate present-day Russia with Hitler’s Germany is obscene, malevolent and preposterous to a degree that appears impossible for the British government and most of the media to understand."

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/23 ... sh-public/

Of course, they weren't all Russians, to be fair. But the writer makes a good point. If Boris Johnson had compared the Israelis to the Nazis he'd have been forced to resign within 24 hours...

But he didn't say Putin and pals were like Nazis. Johnson agreed with someone else saying that the Kremlin is using the upcoming world cup like the Nazis used the Olympics to gloss over the shitty things they're doing. There is a subtle but significant difference.

[rowan]

"The Russians had some twenty million civilians and over ten million members of the armed services killed in the war begun by Hitler when he invaded Russia in Operation Barbarossa on June 22, 1941. To in any fashion equate present-day Russia with Hitler’s Germany is obscene, malevolent and preposterous to a degree that appears impossible for the British government and most of the media to understand."

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/23 ... sh-public/

Of course, they weren't all Russians, to be fair. But the writer makes a good point. If Boris Johnson had compared the Israelis to the Nazis he'd have been forced to resign within 24 hours...

Nobody on here would disagree with either Johnson being an idiot or the fact of horrendous loss of Russian life in WWII.

I'm sure nobody here would be so hapless as to actually agree with the mop-headed baboon's asinine comments on such a sensitive issue...

[cashead]

I'm sure only a hypocritical know-it-all dipshit cunt with no friends would dismiss a comment based on who said it, rather than the content of. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day, after all.

[Donny osmond]

I see the whole of Europe is completely wrong about the Russians too. Jesus, does no one read deliberately disingenuous regularly debunked hysteria mongering websites anymore, that they might know the truth?

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[SerjeantWildgoose]

"The Russians had some twenty million civilians and over ten million members of the armed services killed in the war begun by Hitler when he invaded Russia in Operation Barbarossa on June 22, 1941. To in any fashion equate present-day Russia with Hitler’s Germany is obscene, malevolent and preposterous to a degree that appears impossible for the British government and most of the media to understand."

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/23 ... sh-public/

This is, of course, utterly blinkered shyte. Even if you ignore the Russo-Japanese proxy war that was being fought on the borders of Mongolia and Manchuria in the summer of 1939, Russia's 'war' started on the 17th of September of that year, when the Soviet Union invaded Poland in accordance with the pact it had made with Hitler's Nazi Germany. It widened in November when the Soviet Union attacked Finland. Painting the Soviet Union as the wholly innocent victim of Nazism is ignoring the very inconvenient truth of Soviet agression.

I agree that comparing Putin's Russia to Hitler's Germany is a dangerous path to take, but wheeling out the Soviet's record in the Second World war as a defence is no less contemptuous.

[rowan]

Wheeling out anybody's record in the First or Second World War would be disingenuous. There were no good guys. The former was the culmination of the European scramble for colonies, in which Britain was very much to the fore, and the latter arose directly from issues created by the first. The British and Americans committed plenty of war crimes of their own. But let's talk about the Soviets . . .

Or perhaps we could just stick to the point; that comparing Russia in any way to the Nazis is a particularly heinous comment to make, even by the mop-head baboon's usual depraved standards, and anyone with such a juvenile, racist mindset ought not to be involved in the public arena. The Soviets lost an estimated 20 million lives in turning the Third Reich around, and thereby altered the course of the war completely, paving the way for victory.

[SerjeantWildgoose]

And you have simply repeated (Or regurgitated) the error.

Comparing anyone to the Nazis is a dangerous step to take, but wheeling out the 20 millions of Soviet war dead as a defence against such a comparison being leveled against 21st Century Russia is not a valid argument. The Soviet Union was not a blameless victim of the Nazis, but an early accomplice in the slaughter.

Early military ineptitude (A consequence of Stalin's purges of his military hierarchy) and the deliberate sacrifice of territory and population were the principal factors that led to the scale of Soviet loss, compounded by their own willingness to hurl human wave attacks upon the guns of a hugely competent German army. Throw in the clash of totalitarian ideals and of course you are going to witness savagery on such a scale, but don't try to argue that the savagery was 1-sided; it was not.

I don't believe, given the particulars of the circumstances (A state that is playing loose and free with the boundaries of international law and the juxtaposition of a significant global sporting event in which they will have the opportunity to show-boat), that it is out of the bounds of robust but acceptable diplomatic language to draw parallels.

I am no fan of Johnson; I think that he is quite a twat. But he isn't that far off the mark with his comments here.

I also think you are a twat, but by contrast think that your comments are a complete sack of undiluted shit.

[rowan]

But I have a neutral perspective on this and you don't. How could you? By your method of evaluation we should also disregard the Jewish claim to victimhood in WWII on account of the Zionist movement and its crimes in the Middle East. Was Britain's staging of the 2015 Rugby World Cup also comparable to Hitler's staging of the Olympics? After all, it's Britain which has been America's major accomplice in its genocidal wars across the Middle East. Was 2015 a celebration of the millions who have perished in those barbaric wars of greed? & I've already pointed out that Britain and America committed their own share of war crimes during the two world wars. There were no good guys. Not unless we talk about individuals - human beings who sacrificed their lives in defence of their homeland. In the Soviet Union there were 20 million of them, and we have them to thank, more than anyone, for victory. It is a hateful and juvenile mentality which attempts to twist the narrative and insult the memory of the victims with insidious comparisons.

[cashead]

Ahahahahahahaha, like fuck you do.