RugbyRebels

Banquo wrote:

p/d wrote:Stack the pack, get the 9/10 to keep oppo on back foot. Fliers either side of Steward and let the centres work on the lyrics for next years Eurovision entry.

We need to beat them up and kick the life out of the game. If nothing else we can reignite the dislike for us along with the Mexican Wave

what does 'stack the pack' mean?

6/2 split

p/d wrote:

Banquo wrote:

p/d wrote:Stack the pack, get the 9/10 to keep oppo on back foot. Fliers either side of Steward and let the centres work on the lyrics for next years Eurovision entry.

We need to beat them up and kick the life out of the game. If nothing else we can reignite the dislike for us along with the Mexican Wave

what does 'stack the pack' mean?

6/2 split

Sounds like it has the makings of a quality game show.

p/d wrote:Stack the pack, get the 9/10 to keep oppo on back foot. Fliers either side of Steward and let the centres work on the lyrics for next years Eurovision entry.

We need to beat them up and kick the life out of the game. If nothing else we can reignite the dislike for us along with the Mexican Wave

Why is there the persisting belief that England can select a pack that will dominate the opposition, when they clearly can't.

Spiffy wrote:

p/d wrote:Stack the pack, get the 9/10 to keep oppo on back foot. Fliers either side of Steward and let the centres work on the lyrics for next years Eurovision entry.

We need to beat them up and kick the life out of the game. If nothing else we can reignite the dislike for us along with the Mexican Wave

Why is there the persisting belief that England can select a pack that will dominate the opposition, when they clearly can't.

Not suggesting for a moment we can. More a comment to what Jones’ game plan should be over the next x amount of games. In respect of the next test I can only assume we will repeat the tactics of last week praying Aus keep 15 on the pitch

Spiffy wrote:

p/d wrote:Stack the pack, get the 9/10 to keep oppo on back foot. Fliers either side of Steward and let the centres work on the lyrics for next years Eurovision entry.

We need to beat them up and kick the life out of the game. If nothing else we can reignite the dislike for us along with the Mexican Wave

Why is there the persisting belief that England can select a pack that will dominate the opposition, when they clearly can't.

Probably because most of them have, in happier times, all been part of excellent forward packs that have performed to an extremely high level, both for club, country and the Lions.

Mellsblue wrote:

p/d wrote:

Banquo wrote: what does 'stack the pack' mean?

6/2 split

Sounds like it has the makings of a quality game show.

or a bad divorce settlement

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

p/d wrote: 6/2 split

Sounds like it has the makings of a quality game show.

or a bad divorce settlement

Raggs wrote:

Shows the attacking patterns quite nicely. Working the wingers hard to make sure they're constantly options, expecting them to clear out when it's their pod being used etc. All doing all jobs. The kick at the end I thought was a bad choice, since both wingers were involved in a ruck just one phase earlier, but I'd completely forgotten about Steward.

All looks extremely prescribed and over coached to me. 4 times in just one clip they attempt to go wide with the play out the back to Smith and only one of those did they actually earn the right through getting an initial carry over the gainline- the strike move from the lineout with the Billy carry.

Timbo wrote:

Raggs wrote:

Shows the attacking patterns quite nicely. Working the wingers hard to make sure they're constantly options, expecting them to clear out when it's their pod being used etc. All doing all jobs. The kick at the end I thought was a bad choice, since both wingers were involved in a ruck just one phase earlier, but I'd completely forgotten about Steward.

All looks extremely prescribed and over coached to me. 4 times in just one clip they attempt to go wide with the play out the back to Smith and only one of those did they actually earn the right through getting an initial carry over the gainline- the strike move from the lineout with the Billy carry.

Interestingly, though, if Nowell was a better player, that ended in a try.

Stom wrote:

Timbo wrote:

Raggs wrote:

Shows the attacking patterns quite nicely. Working the wingers hard to make sure they're constantly options, expecting them to clear out when it's their pod being used etc. All doing all jobs. The kick at the end I thought was a bad choice, since both wingers were involved in a ruck just one phase earlier, but I'd completely forgotten about Steward.

All looks extremely prescribed and over coached to me. 4 times in just one clip they attempt to go wide with the play out the back to Smith and only one of those did they actually earn the right through getting an initial carry over the gainline- the strike move from the lineout with the Billy carry.

Interestingly, though, if Nowell was a better player, that ended in a try.

Would you also say if Smith was a better player and throws the wide pass to Steward we could score a try a lot earlier?

Timbo wrote:

Raggs wrote:

Shows the attacking patterns quite nicely. Working the wingers hard to make sure they're constantly options, expecting them to clear out when it's their pod being used etc. All doing all jobs. The kick at the end I thought was a bad choice, since both wingers were involved in a ruck just one phase earlier, but I'd completely forgotten about Steward.

All looks extremely prescribed and over coached to me. 4 times in just one clip they attempt to go wide with the play out the back to Smith and only one of those did they actually earn the right through getting an initial carry over the gainline- the strike move from the lineout with the Billy carry.

yep, I commented as such earlier. Its a lot of work and tasking to get not very far. Need to play instinctively once you are over the gainline imo- I do like planning the strike moves well, and setting up support/runners, but in a more flexible way---tbh, this kind of support play is instinctive to say the kiwis- arrowhead running back in the day. The upside is that at least someone is putting a lot of thought into what we are doing...even if the overall strategy is lacking and the execution too difficult/out of our skill set.

FKAS wrote:

Stom wrote:

Timbo wrote:
All looks extremely prescribed and over coached to me. 4 times in just one clip they attempt to go wide with the play out the back to Smith and only one of those did they actually earn the right through getting an initial carry over the gainline- the strike move from the lineout with the Billy carry.

Interestingly, though, if Nowell was a better player, that ended in a try.

Would you also say if Smith was a better player and throws the wide pass to Steward we could score a try a lot earlier?

Do you have the still/screen grab of this?

Mellsblue wrote:

FKAS wrote:

Stom wrote:
Interestingly, though, if Nowell was a better player, that ended in a try.

Would you also say if Smith was a better player and throws the wide pass to Steward we could score a try a lot earlier?

Do you have the still/screen grab of this?

That's not a still, that's Freddie at full pace

(just kiddin Tigers lads )

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

FKAS wrote:
Would you also say if Smith was a better player and throws the wide pass to Steward we could score a try a lot earlier?

Do you have the still/screen grab of this?

That's not a still, that's Freddie at full pace

(just kiddin Tigers lads )

1.47 on the Twitter link. Apologies it's Nowell out wide and not Steward. It was more a point about Nowell getting unfair flack when he actually played alright.

FKAS wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: Do you have the still/screen grab of this?

That's not a still, that's Freddie at full pace

(just kiddin Tigers lads )

1.47 on the Twitter link. Apologies it's Nowell out wide and not Steward. It was more a point about Nowell getting unfair flack when he actually played alright.

Nowell always plays 'all right' when he isn't missing his oppo one on one. He's an ok player when fit. He's just not what you want from a top class intl winger imo. He did a great offload though, notable because he actually let go of the ball in a game

The pass was definitely on, though I guess not a huge amount of time to make the call. Would have been interesting to see how far Nowell got with it. I read his stats were very good but can’t remember much of him beyond that mad basketball pass to Marchant.

Mikey Brown wrote:The pass was definitely on, though I guess not a huge amount of time to make the call. Would have been interesting to see how far Nowell got with it. I read his stats were very good but can’t remember much of him beyond that mad basketball pass to Marchant.

Nowell is full of energy when not injured, but more often than not intly it leads to little.

Stom wrote:

Timbo wrote:

Raggs wrote:

Shows the attacking patterns quite nicely. Working the wingers hard to make sure they're constantly options, expecting them to clear out when it's their pod being used etc. All doing all jobs. The kick at the end I thought was a bad choice, since both wingers were involved in a ruck just one phase earlier, but I'd completely forgotten about Steward.

All looks extremely prescribed and over coached to me. 4 times in just one clip they attempt to go wide with the play out the back to Smith and only one of those did they actually earn the right through getting an initial carry over the gainline- the strike move from the lineout with the Billy carry.

Interestingly, though, if Nowell was a better player, that ended in a try.

Personally think the opportunity is if Cokanasiga gives the pass earlier, rather than taking contact and offloading.

That bit comes from good kick pressure, then winning the ball back and playing to space quickly. But that’s the sort of rugby our game was based on a few years ago and nobody seems to want that anymore really.

Banquo wrote:

FKAS wrote:

Banquo wrote:
That's not a still, that's Freddie at full pace

(just kiddin Tigers lads )

1.47 on the Twitter link. Apologies it's Nowell out wide and not Steward. It was more a point about Nowell getting unfair flack when he actually played alright.

Nowell always plays 'all right' when he isn't missing his oppo one on one. He's an ok player when fit. He's just not what you want from a top class intl winger imo. He did a great offload though, notable because he actually let go of the ball in a game

This.

He’s just the player who puts up all the numbers. He just doesn’t score or assist as he’s not quick enough nor a good enough passer both technically and in vision.

Either he has the pace to get past Kellaway there, and we score, or he has the passing ability to find his outside man, and we score. As it is, he’s too slow, gets scragged, and passes behind Marchant.

Stom wrote:

Banquo wrote:

FKAS wrote:
1.47 on the Twitter link. Apologies it's Nowell out wide and not Steward. It was more a point about Nowell getting unfair flack when he actually played alright.

Nowell always plays 'all right' when he isn't missing his oppo one on one. He's an ok player when fit. He's just not what you want from a top class intl winger imo. He did a great offload though, notable because he actually let go of the ball in a game

This.

He’s just the player who puts up all the numbers. He just doesn’t score or assist as he’s not quick enough nor a good enough passer both technically and in vision.

Either he has the pace to get past Kellaway there, and we score, or he has the passing ability to find his outside man, and we score. As it is, he’s too slow, gets scragged, and passes behind Marchant.

You are right. But Nowell has played like this since he first appeared on the scene. Yet Jones keeps on picking him. He likes his dog, determination and total enthusiasm but at international level that's not quite enough.