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Sandydragon wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:Before that you've got to factor in the chances of Spain invading. Which I'd imagine is zero.

Exactly. The talk from a former Tory leader was that if the Spanish invaded Gibraltar, we would fight back. That was the direct comparison. A less aggressive comparison would be standing up to aggression from another country. However, both require Spain to be the aggressor. Lets all calm down. A lot.

Most people will not need to calm down on the idea of going to war with Spain as they'll not have given the idea any credence to begin with.

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:There was a YouGov poll on it earlier in the week based on the scenario of a Spanish invasion. From memory, and I only glanced at it before the results were final, the result was 57 v 43 against.

The did a poll based on a Spanish invasion?

I'd expect them to poll on maybe keeping Gibraltar as British Vs trading off some aspects of control, and trading off some aspects of control within the context of getting a Brexit deal sorted. I'm surprised if they're doing polls on going to war with one of our nearest and biggest allies.

Yep. This, as you know, has all come about because Howard made the comparison with the Falklands. Which, as you know, saw the Argies invade. The jump to a poll based on this isn't a huge one. I'm sure it's not a serious poll commissioned by Michael Fallon. Not sure on what other basis you could have a war with them if they didn't invade. Stand at the border and shout 'my army is bigger than your army', perhaps.

To be honest, all of this is symptomatic of a nation gripped in the hysteria and hyperbole of the post referendum world. A world where we are all doomed or will be the greatest trading nation on earth, where we are either a libtard or a retard, or where the EU is panacea or, in fact, being out of the EU in panacea. A couple of years ago if an aging and irrelevant politician had said similar all we'd be wondering is how far the dementia had taken hold. Now it's splashed all over the media, we've got people on the internet claiming that the Daily Mail and The Sun are being used to drip feed us foreign policy and I'm having to explain that YouGov aren't anticipating a Spanish invasion (at least I hope they're not).

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:There was a YouGov poll on it earlier in the week based on the scenario of a Spanish invasion. From memory, and I only glanced at it before the results were final, the result was 57 v 43 against.

The did a poll based on a Spanish invasion?

I'd expect them to poll on maybe keeping Gibraltar as British Vs trading off some aspects of control, and trading off some aspects of control within the context of getting a Brexit deal sorted. I'm surprised if they're doing polls on going to war with one of our nearest and biggest allies.

Yep. This, as you know, has all come about because Howard made the comparison with the Falklands. Which, as you know, saw the Argies invade. The jump to a poll based on this isn't a huge one. I'm sure it's not a serious poll commissioned by Michael Fallon. Not sure on what other basis you could have a war with them if they didn't invade. Stand at the border and shout 'my army is bigger than your army', perhaps.

To be honest, all of this is symptomatic of a nation gripped in the hysteria and hyperbole of the post referendum world. A world where we are all doomed or will be the greatest trading nation on earth, where we are either a libtard or a retard, or where the EU is panacea or, in fact, being out of the EU in panacea. A couple of years ago if an aging and irrelevant politician had said similar all we'd be wondering is how far the dementia had taken hold. Now it's splashed all over the media, we've got people on the internet claiming that the Daily Mail and The Sun are being used to drip feed us foreign policy and I'm having to explain that YouGov aren't anticipating a Spanish invasion (at least I hope they're not).

I'm so over Brexit. Until it bites me. Do we really have to have it as headlines every day for two years ++? As someone else wrote, we'll spend years and billions to get to a slightly worse position than today; my real worry/sadness would be if a lot of the very lovely and productive European nationals I know are booted out/feel unwelcome/leave because the feel unwelcome.

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:There was a YouGov poll on it earlier in the week based on the scenario of a Spanish invasion. From memory, and I only glanced at it before the results were final, the result was 57 v 43 against.

The did a poll based on a Spanish invasion?

I'd expect them to poll on maybe keeping Gibraltar as British Vs trading off some aspects of control, and trading off some aspects of control within the context of getting a Brexit deal sorted. I'm surprised if they're doing polls on going to war with one of our nearest and biggest allies.

Yep. This, as you know, has all come about because Howard made the comparison with the Falklands. Which, as you know, saw the Argies invade. The jump to a poll based on this isn't a huge one. I'm sure it's not a serious poll commissioned by Michael Fallon. Not sure on what other basis you could have a war with them if they didn't invade. Stand at the border and shout 'my army is bigger than your army', perhaps.

To be honest, all of this is symptomatic of a nation gripped in the hysteria and hyperbole of the post referendum world. A world where we are all doomed or will be the greatest trading nation on earth, where we are either a libtard or a retard, or where the EU is panacea or, in fact, being out of the EU in panacea. A couple of years ago if an aging and irrelevant politician had said similar all we'd be wondering is how far the dementia had taken hold. Now it's splashed all over the media, we've got people on the internet claiming that the Daily Mail and The Sun are being used to drip feed us foreign policy and I'm having to explain that YouGov aren't anticipating a Spanish invasion (at least I hope they're not).

Not sure we would win that....

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:
The did a poll based on a Spanish invasion?

I'd expect them to poll on maybe keeping Gibraltar as British Vs trading off some aspects of control, and trading off some aspects of control within the context of getting a Brexit deal sorted. I'm surprised if they're doing polls on going to war with one of our nearest and biggest allies.

Yep. This, as you know, has all come about because Howard made the comparison with the Falklands. Which, as you know, saw the Argies invade. The jump to a poll based on this isn't a huge one. I'm sure it's not a serious poll commissioned by Michael Fallon. Not sure on what other basis you could have a war with them if they didn't invade. Stand at the border and shout 'my army is bigger than your army', perhaps.

To be honest, all of this is symptomatic of a nation gripped in the hysteria and hyperbole of the post referendum world. A world where we are all doomed or will be the greatest trading nation on earth, where we are either a libtard or a retard, or where the EU is panacea or, in fact, being out of the EU in panacea. A couple of years ago if an aging and irrelevant politician had said similar all we'd be wondering is how far the dementia had taken hold. Now it's splashed all over the media, we've got people on the internet claiming that the Daily Mail and The Sun are being used to drip feed us foreign policy and I'm having to explain that YouGov aren't anticipating a Spanish invasion (at least I hope they're not).

I'm so over Brexit. Until it bites me. Do we really have to have it as headlines every day for two years ++? As someone else wrote, we'll spend years and billions to get to a slightly worse position than today; my real worry/sadness would be if a lot of the very lovely and productive European nationals I know are booted out/feel unwelcome/leave because the feel unwelcome.

You need to find a safe space. Brexit is going to rule our airwaves for at least another 5 years. I was bored with it all two weeks before polling day. I was hoping for an informed debate about the pros and cons of the EU, and there are plenty on both sides to debate. However, all we ended up with was 'you'll all be poor' v 'you'll be overrun with foreigners'. If you do find a safe space can we time share?

OptimisticJock wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:
The did a poll based on a Spanish invasion?

I'd expect them to poll on maybe keeping Gibraltar as British Vs trading off some aspects of control, and trading off some aspects of control within the context of getting a Brexit deal sorted. I'm surprised if they're doing polls on going to war with one of our nearest and biggest allies.

Yep. This, as you know, has all come about because Howard made the comparison with the Falklands. Which, as you know, saw the Argies invade. The jump to a poll based on this isn't a huge one. I'm sure it's not a serious poll commissioned by Michael Fallon. Not sure on what other basis you could have a war with them if they didn't invade. Stand at the border and shout 'my army is bigger than your army', perhaps.

To be honest, all of this is symptomatic of a nation gripped in the hysteria and hyperbole of the post referendum world. A world where we are all doomed or will be the greatest trading nation on earth, where we are either a libtard or a retard, or where the EU is panacea or, in fact, being out of the EU in panacea. A couple of years ago if an aging and irrelevant politician had said similar all we'd be wondering is how far the dementia had taken hold. Now it's splashed all over the media, we've got people on the internet claiming that the Daily Mail and The Sun are being used to drip feed us foreign policy and I'm having to explain that YouGov aren't anticipating a Spanish invasion (at least I hope they're not).

Not sure we would win that....

How about 'We spend more as a % of GDP on defence than you do.' Not as snappy but factually correct.

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: Yep. This, as you know, has all come about because Howard made the comparison with the Falklands. Which, as you know, saw the Argies invade. The jump to a poll based on this isn't a huge one. I'm sure it's not a serious poll commissioned by Michael Fallon. Not sure on what other basis you could have a war with them if they didn't invade. Stand at the border and shout 'my army is bigger than your army', perhaps.

To be honest, all of this is symptomatic of a nation gripped in the hysteria and hyperbole of the post referendum world. A world where we are all doomed or will be the greatest trading nation on earth, where we are either a libtard or a retard, or where the EU is panacea or, in fact, being out of the EU in panacea. A couple of years ago if an aging and irrelevant politician had said similar all we'd be wondering is how far the dementia had taken hold. Now it's splashed all over the media, we've got people on the internet claiming that the Daily Mail and The Sun are being used to drip feed us foreign policy and I'm having to explain that YouGov aren't anticipating a Spanish invasion (at least I hope they're not).

I'm so over Brexit. Until it bites me. Do we really have to have it as headlines every day for two years ++? As someone else wrote, we'll spend years and billions to get to a slightly worse position than today; my real worry/sadness would be if a lot of the very lovely and productive European nationals I know are booted out/feel unwelcome/leave because the feel unwelcome.

You need to find a safe space. Brexit is going to rule our airwaves for at least another 5 years. I was bored with it all two weeks before polling day. I was hoping for an informed debate about the pros and cons of the EU, and there are plenty on both sides to debate. However, all we ended up with was 'you'll all be poor' v 'you'll be overrun with foreigners'. If you do find a safe space can we time share?

I'll bring beer and crisps

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:
The did a poll based on a Spanish invasion?

I'd expect them to poll on maybe keeping Gibraltar as British Vs trading off some aspects of control, and trading off some aspects of control within the context of getting a Brexit deal sorted. I'm surprised if they're doing polls on going to war with one of our nearest and biggest allies.

Yep. This, as you know, has all come about because Howard made the comparison with the Falklands. Which, as you know, saw the Argies invade. The jump to a poll based on this isn't a huge one. I'm sure it's not a serious poll commissioned by Michael Fallon. Not sure on what other basis you could have a war with them if they didn't invade. Stand at the border and shout 'my army is bigger than your army', perhaps.

To be honest, all of this is symptomatic of a nation gripped in the hysteria and hyperbole of the post referendum world. A world where we are all doomed or will be the greatest trading nation on earth, where we are either a libtard or a retard, or where the EU is panacea or, in fact, being out of the EU in panacea. A couple of years ago if an aging and irrelevant politician had said similar all we'd be wondering is how far the dementia had taken hold. Now it's splashed all over the media, we've got people on the internet claiming that the Daily Mail and The Sun are being used to drip feed us foreign policy and I'm having to explain that YouGov aren't anticipating a Spanish invasion (at least I hope they're not).

I'm so over Brexit. Until it bites me. Do we really have to have it as headlines every day for two years ++? As someone else wrote, we'll spend years and billions to get to a slightly worse position than today; my real worry/sadness would be if a lot of the very lovely and productive European nationals I know are booted out/feel unwelcome/leave because the feel unwelcome.

Almost certainly

It's odd to think of the Spanish owning The Isle of Wight or Thanet.

Mellsblue wrote:There was a YouGov poll on it earlier in the week based on the scenario of a Spanish invasion. From memory, and I only glanced at it before the results were final, the result was 57 v 43 against.

They should have based it on a reinvasion at lunchtime.

kk67 wrote:It's odd to think of the Spanish owning The Isle of Wight or Thanet.

Well if they had planned the Armada better then maybe they would. It seems strange for Spain to own a group of Islands off the African coast, or parts of mainland Africa for that matter. Such is the legacy of empire. If Gibraltar was full of Spanish who desperately wanted to be part of Spain, then I'd agree that they would have a point. But it isn't and they don't.

Sandydragon wrote:

kk67 wrote:It's odd to think of the Spanish owning The Isle of Wight or Thanet.

Well if they had planned the Armada better then maybe they would. It seems strange for Spain to own a group of Islands off the African coast, or parts of mainland Africa for that matter. Such is the legacy of empire. If Gibraltar was full of Spanish who desperately wanted to be part of Spain, then I'd agree that they would have a point. But it isn't and they don't.

If Farage ever gets elected to represent Thanet then the Spanish can have it.

onlynameleft wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:There was a YouGov poll on it earlier in the week based on the scenario of a Spanish invasion. From memory, and I only glanced at it before the results were final, the result was 57 v 43 against.

They should have based it on a reinvasion at lunchtime.

Quality.

Mellsblue wrote: If Farage ever gets elected to represent Thanet then the Spanish can have it.

I'd let them have it now for two bottles of sangria and a lifesize cuddly donkey.

Mellsblue wrote:

OptimisticJock wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: Yep. This, as you know, has all come about because Howard made the comparison with the Falklands. Which, as you know, saw the Argies invade. The jump to a poll based on this isn't a huge one. I'm sure it's not a serious poll commissioned by Michael Fallon. Not sure on what other basis you could have a war with them if they didn't invade. Stand at the border and shout 'my army is bigger than your army', perhaps.

To be honest, all of this is symptomatic of a nation gripped in the hysteria and hyperbole of the post referendum world. A world where we are all doomed or will be the greatest trading nation on earth, where we are either a libtard or a retard, or where the EU is panacea or, in fact, being out of the EU in panacea. A couple of years ago if an aging and irrelevant politician had said similar all we'd be wondering is how far the dementia had taken hold. Now it's splashed all over the media, we've got people on the internet claiming that the Daily Mail and The Sun are being used to drip feed us foreign policy and I'm having to explain that YouGov aren't anticipating a Spanish invasion (at least I hope they're not).

Not sure we would win that....

How about 'We spend more as a % of GDP on defence than you do.' Not as snappy but factually correct.

I'll get on to the banner company.

Sandydragon wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote: I'm so over Brexit. Until it bites me. Do we really have to have it as headlines every day for two years ++? As someone else wrote, we'll spend years and billions to get to a slightly worse position than today; my real worry/sadness would be if a lot of the very lovely and productive European nationals I know are booted out/feel unwelcome/leave because the feel unwelcome.

You need to find a safe space. Brexit is going to rule our airwaves for at least another 5 years. I was bored with it all two weeks before polling day. I was hoping for an informed debate about the pros and cons of the EU, and there are plenty on both sides to debate. However, all we ended up with was 'you'll all be poor' v 'you'll be overrun with foreigners'. If you do find a safe space can we time share?

I'll bring beer and crisps

Bitter I hope. None of that foreign muck like San Miguel (brewed in Northampton)

HOWARD’S WAY
Sir, As a loyal spouse may I say that nothing was further from Michael Howard’s thoughts than going to war with Spain! We haven’t invaded Gibraltar; he was simply pointing out an exact anniversary of 35 years ago as a means of saying that he was sure this prime minister would be resolute in protecting the interests of the Rock.

He does rather love anniversaries . . . But obviously “never mention the Falklands” must now be added to the long list of unmentionables for risk of causing offence.
Sandra Howard
(Lady Howard)
Pimlico, London

canta_brian wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: You need to find a safe space. Brexit is going to rule our airwaves for at least another 5 years. I was bored with it all two weeks before polling day. I was hoping for an informed debate about the pros and cons of the EU, and there are plenty on both sides to debate. However, all we ended up with was 'you'll all be poor' v 'you'll be overrun with foreigners'. If you do find a safe space can we time share?

I'll bring beer and crisps

Bitter I hope. None of that foreign muck like San Miguel (brewed in Northampton)

Of course. If a side effect of Brexit is that we see less foreign muck in the pubs then it will have achieved something. Lets all get back to real ale and stop buggering about with that rubbish.

Sandydragon wrote:

canta_brian wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:
I'll bring beer and crisps

Bitter I hope. None of that foreign muck like San Miguel (brewed in Northampton)

Of course. If a side effect of Brexit is that we see less foreign muck in the pubs then it will have achieved something. Lets all get back to real ale and stop buggering about with that rubbish.

I didn't realise Brexit would see an end to Australian bartenders; I thought it was the Polish builders and Portugese nurses we wanted rid of?

Sandydragon wrote:

canta_brian wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:
I'll bring beer and crisps

Bitter I hope. None of that foreign muck like San Miguel (brewed in Northampton)

Of course. If a side effect of Brexit is that we see less foreign muck in the pubs then it will have achieved something. Lets all get back to real ale and stop buggering about with that rubbish.

Drinking in the wrong pubs mate. Local beers and gins are the rage up here.

Sandydragon wrote:

canta_brian wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:
I'll bring beer and crisps

Bitter I hope. None of that foreign muck like San Miguel (brewed in Northampton)

Of course. If a side effect of Brexit is that we see less foreign muck in the pubs then it will have achieved something. Lets all get back to real ale and stop buggering about with that rubbish.

Real ale is piss water. Why the hell do I want to drink anything warm FFS. GTFO.

British food is shithouse TBH.

Len wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

canta_brian wrote: Bitter I hope. None of that foreign muck like San Miguel (brewed in Northampton)

Of course. If a side effect of Brexit is that we see less foreign muck in the pubs then it will have achieved something. Lets all get back to real ale and stop buggering about with that rubbish.

Real ale is piss water. Why the hell do I want to drink anything warm FFS. GTFO.

British food is shithouse TBH.

For 9 months of the year the temperature is about that of a refrigerator so "warm" is a loose term.

Cask ales are the business.

Mellsblue wrote:HOWARD’S WAY
Sir, As a loyal spouse may I say that nothing was further from Michael Howard’s thoughts than going to war with Spain! We haven’t invaded Gibraltar; he was simply pointing out an exact anniversary of 35 years ago as a means of saying that he was sure this prime minister would be resolute in protecting the interests of the Rock.

He does rather love anniversaries . . . But obviously “never mention the Falklands” must now be added to the long list of unmentionables for risk of causing offence.
Sandra Howard
(Lady Howard)
Pimlico, London

Married to Michael,.....poor cow.
Wasn't it a female politician that made the 'something of the night' comment. Shirley Williams, Claire Short..?.

Widdecome I think

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