RugbyRebels

UGagain wrote:

Digby wrote:

UGagain wrote:

I have to say that the "Putin is the world's richest man" thingy is beyond juvenile. I doubt even Fox News would touch that.

Myself i'd take the view that Putin is by our standards hugely corrupt, and that that isn't anti Russian it's anti Putin, but I don't hold Putin and Russia to be synonymous. I also don't take the view that having someone who enables what was until very recently public companies generate vast wealth for a few is an awfully good idea, and I'd further take the view that him enabling those who make the massive back handers and removing (by various means) those who don't pay and/or our out spoken about him as being bad government. And too I didn't think labeling him the world's richest man was an unusual claim, or even interesting, it's just how it presently is.

Myself I don't like a lot about Putin, his seeming view that the fall of the Soviet Union was a bad thing and should be restored, nor how he grants access to Russian markets and resources, nor how he enacts his control. No doubt Putin would contend his steps are necessary to maintain control in Russia, to some degree he may have a point but on balance I don't like dictatorship, though now he's had made his play for power i such fashion releasing that grip on power could prove dangerous, and not just for him. I don't doubt in many ways that Putin is an exceptionally smart and diligent figure, and that I don't like him doesn't mean everything he says is wrong, though he does sound a bit barking on the there's no state sponsored doping in Russian sports amongst other things, and of course it's easy to deride someone who puts in a play a rather disgusting homophobic agenda and then sends the following and similar as a Christmas Card -

Just more rote western propaganda.

Do you not understand that we don't buy it?

It's beyond pathetic that you do.

rowan wrote:America and Britain have always needed to create villains to divert attention from their own atrocities. No country in history was more evil than the British Empire, no country today is remotely as evil as the American empire. That's the bottom line and they know it - to their eternal shame. The US is about to elect a war criminal complicit in the genocide of Iraqis and scores of thousands more deaths in Libya and Syria, and withal the resultant refugee tidal wave into Europe, all by creating an opposing candidate so loathsome and represensible he is literally unelectable.Meanwhile dumbed down American women are tearing themselves away from their daytime TV talk shows to tell us how voting for a serial war criminal is the feministy thing to do. I wonder if they consider brokering arms deals with the Saudis 'feministy,' or supporting a Jihadi war against Afghanistan where a progressive socialist government had previously given women full rights, or defending a child rapist during her legal career by using intimidation tactics against the victim, for that matter. Truth is, if a black African male had done a fraction as much as Hillary, he'd have been dragged off to the Hague (or the African court) a long time ago.

Coco wrote:

rowan wrote:America and Britain have always needed to create villains to divert attention from their own atrocities. No country in history was more evil than the British Empire, no country today is remotely as evil as the American empire. That's the bottom line and they know it - to their eternal shame. The US is about to elect a war criminal complicit in the genocide of Iraqis and scores of thousands more deaths in Libya and Syria, and withal the resultant refugee tidal wave into Europe, all by creating an opposing candidate so loathsome and represensible he is literally unelectable.Meanwhile dumbed down American women are tearing themselves away from their daytime TV talk shows to tell us how voting for a serial war criminal is the feministy thing to do. I wonder if they consider brokering arms deals with the Saudis 'feministy,' or supporting a Jihadi war against Afghanistan where a progressive socialist government had previously given women full rights, or defending a child rapist during her legal career by using intimidation tactics against the victim, for that matter. Truth is, if a black African male had done a fraction as much as Hillary, he'd have been dragged off to the Hague (or the African court) a long time ago.

Wow.

Digby wrote:

UGagain wrote:

Digby wrote:
Myself i'd take the view that Putin is by our standards hugely corrupt, and that that isn't anti Russian it's anti Putin, but I don't hold Putin and Russia to be synonymous. I also don't take the view that having someone who enables what was until very recently public companies generate vast wealth for a few is an awfully good idea, and I'd further take the view that him enabling those who make the massive back handers and removing (by various means) those who don't pay and/or our out spoken about him as being bad government. And too I didn't think labeling him the world's richest man was an unusual claim, or even interesting, it's just how it presently is.

Myself I don't like a lot about Putin, his seeming view that the fall of the Soviet Union was a bad thing and should be restored, nor how he grants access to Russian markets and resources, nor how he enacts his control. No doubt Putin would contend his steps are necessary to maintain control in Russia, to some degree he may have a point but on balance I don't like dictatorship, though now he's had made his play for power i such fashion releasing that grip on power could prove dangerous, and not just for him. I don't doubt in many ways that Putin is an exceptionally smart and diligent figure, and that I don't like him doesn't mean everything he says is wrong, though he does sound a bit barking on the there's no state sponsored doping in Russian sports amongst other things, and of course it's easy to deride someone who puts in a play a rather disgusting homophobic agenda and then sends the following and similar as a Christmas Card -

Just more rote western propaganda.

Do you not understand that we don't buy it?

It's beyond pathetic that you do.

Would that be the royal we?

UGagain wrote:
Just repeating western propaganda points doesn't a discussion make. It's just a pack of war mongering nonsense.