Why would I mention Mosul on a thread about Yemen. I'll happily criticise anyone who endangers innocent civilians, whether by firing at them or hiding behind them. Especially those commiting these acts against their own people, whether directly or via their ally.
Re: Another Massacre in Yemen
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:43 am
by rowan
Mellsblue wrote:Why would I mention Mosul on a thread about Yemen. I'll happily criticise anyone who endangers innocent civilians, whether by firing at them or hiding behind them. Especially those commiting these acts against their own people, whether directly or via their ally.
You bought up Aleppo on this thread but somehow the idea of mentioning Mosul seems outrageous to you? Yes, we're all sad for the victims of both Aleppo and Mosul. Too bad America and its allies had to start these wars. That's the nature of imperialism. But you are either with the terrorists or against them, Mellsblue, and I haven't seen one comment from you which suggests you are against them.
Re: Another Massacre in Yemen
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:04 am
by Mellsblue
rowan wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:Why would I mention Mosul on a thread about Yemen. I'll happily criticise anyone who endangers innocent civilians, whether by firing at them or hiding behind them. Especially those commiting these acts against their own people, whether directly or via their ally.
You bought up Aleppo on this thread but somehow the idea of mentioning Mosul seems outrageous to you? Yes, we're all sad for the victims of both Aleppo and Mosul. Too bad America and its allies had to start these wars. That's the nature of imperialism. But you are either with the terrorists or against them, Mellsblue, and I haven't seen one comment from you which suggests you are against them.
You didn't bring up Mosul, you brought up me not critising actions in Mosul. Two very different things. It would be difficult to criticise actions in Mosul as I haven't made any posts on Mosul. I brought up Aleppo as you haven't once criticised Syrian or Russian actions, despite numerous posts on the subject, yet jump on Britain for selling munitions decades ago whilst neglecting to mention they have tried to mitigate the problem.
Didn't you see the comment that I will criticise anyone who targets civilians? You'll notice that I criticised my own govt for continuing to sell arms to the Saudis. I'm happy to criticise any side that targets civilians, whether western or not. You will not have seen me do it on these boards as I try to not comment on foreign policy issues here due to becoming entangled in 'West bad v Russia good' arguments such as these. They're all been ****s at some point, though some are worse than others.
Re: Another Massacre in Yemen
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:11 am
by rowan
Mellsblue wrote:
rowan wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:Why would I mention Mosul on a thread about Yemen. I'll happily criticise anyone who endangers innocent civilians, whether by firing at them or hiding behind them. Especially those commiting these acts against their own people, whether directly or via their ally.
You bought up Aleppo on this thread but somehow the idea of mentioning Mosul seems outrageous to you? Yes, we're all sad for the victims of both Aleppo and Mosul. Too bad America and its allies had to start these wars. That's the nature of imperialism. But you are either with the terrorists or against them, Mellsblue, and I haven't seen one comment from you which suggests you are against them.
You didn't bring up Mosul, you brought up me not critising actions in Mosul. Two very different things. It would be difficult to criticise actions in Mosul as I haven't made any posts on Mosul. I brought up Aleppo as you haven't once criticised Syrian or Russian actions, despite numerous posts on the subject, yet jump on Britain for selling munitions decades ago whilst neglecting to mention they have tried to mitigate the problem.
Didn't you see the comment that I will criticise anyone who targets civilians? You'll notice that I criticised my own govt for continuing to sell arms to the Saudis. I'm happy to criticise any side that targets civilians, whether western or not. You will not have seen me do it on these boards as I try to not comment on foreign policy issues here due to becoming entangled in 'West bad v Russia good' arguments such as these. They're all been ****s at some point, though some are worse than others.
I brought up you not criticising Mosul in response to your criticisms on Aleppo. I'm expected to criticize those who liberated the city? Seriously? Are you with the terrorists or against them? You still haven't mentioned the terrorists yet, which is curious, as they were the protagonists, obviously.
Re: Another Massacre in Yemen
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:43 am
by Mellsblue
Ive said I criticise anyone who targets civilians. Do I need to spell out this includes terrorists. And yes, criticise those who 'liberated' the city. You can support their aim without supporting all their actions. Are you saying all Russian and Syrian actions are beyond reproach?
Re: Another Massacre in Yemen
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:55 am
by rowan
Mellsblue wrote:Ive said I criticise anyone who targets civilians. Do I need to spell out this includes terrorists. And yes, criticise those who 'liberated' the city. You can support their aim without supporting all their actions. Are you saying all Russian and Syrian actions are beyond reproach?
As long as you are prepared to recognize the terrorists as the protagonists, that's all. This is the first time I've seen you so much as mention the word in relation to Aleppo. So how would you liberate a city held by terrorists holding the civilian population hostage - and by numerous accounts committing atrocities against them daily? I'm not a fan of the term 'collateral damage' as it is often misused, but of course in this situation it's unavoidable. Mosul is the same but it's not making headlines and no one's talking about 'genocide.' What everyone is ignoring about Aleppo is that most of the former hostages (if not all of them) are joyously celebrating their freedom right now.
Re: Another Massacre in Yemen
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:07 am
by Mellsblue
rowan wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:Ive said I criticise anyone who targets civilians. Do I need to spell out this includes terrorists. And yes, criticise those who 'liberated' the city. You can support their aim without supporting all their actions. Are you saying all Russian and Syrian actions are beyond reproach?
As long as you are prepared to recognize the terrorists as the protagonists, that's all. This is the first time I've seen you so much as mention the word in relation to Aleppo. So how would you liberate a city held by terrorists holding the civilian population hostage - and by numerous accounts committing atrocities against them daily? I'm not a fan of the term 'collateral damage' as it is often misused, but of course in this situation it's unavoidable. Mosul is the same but it's not making headlines and no one's talking about 'genocide.' What everyone is ignoring about Aleppo is that most of the former hostages (if not all of them) are joyously celebrating their freedom right now.
I'm not prepared to recognise the terrorists as the protagonists. One of the main protagonists yes, along with Assad. There are multiple players in this and they're all culpable, of course some more than others. I've not mentioned anything about Aleppo on this board outside of this conversation so you won't have seen me mention terrorists. I've not specifically mentioned terrorists as I thought my statement that I'd criticise anyone targeting civilians as implicit that I'd include terrorists under 'anyone' as, you know, it includes anyone.
Still no condemnation of Russia and/or Syrian actions, what a surprise.
I'm going back to my previously successful policy of not commenting on foreign policy on this board.
Re: Another Massacre in Yemen
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:26 am
by rowan
Mellsblue wrote:
rowan wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:Ive said I criticise anyone who targets civilians. Do I need to spell out this includes terrorists. And yes, criticise those who 'liberated' the city. You can support their aim without supporting all their actions. Are you saying all Russian and Syrian actions are beyond reproach?
As long as you are prepared to recognize the terrorists as the protagonists, that's all. This is the first time I've seen you so much as mention the word in relation to Aleppo. So how would you liberate a city held by terrorists holding the civilian population hostage - and by numerous accounts committing atrocities against them daily? I'm not a fan of the term 'collateral damage' as it is often misused, but of course in this situation it's unavoidable. Mosul is the same but it's not making headlines and no one's talking about 'genocide.' What everyone is ignoring about Aleppo is that most of the former hostages (if not all of them) are joyously celebrating their freedom right now.
I'm not prepared to recognise the terrorists as the protagonists. One of the main protagonists yes, along with Assad. There are multiple players in this and they're all culpable, of course some more than others. I've not mentioned anything about Aleppo on this board outside of this conversation so you won't have seen me mention terrorists. I've not specifically mentioned terrorists as I thought my statement that I'd criticise anyone targeting civilians as implicit that I'd include terrorists under 'anyone' as, you know, it includes anyone.
Still no condemnation of Russia and/or Syrian actions, what a surprise.
I'm going back to my previously successful policy of not commenting on foreign policy on this board.
So by failing to acknowledge the terrorists as the protagonists, and calling for condemnation of those who liberated Aleppo from them, you are clearly taking the side of the terrorists. That's not even in question any more. & why does it surprise you that someone does not condemn those who have liberated a city from terrorists after a long and difficult campaign? The terrorists kept the civilian population hostage, and in this manner made collateral damage unavoidable. That's what cowardly terrorists do. These ones happen to have been backed by the US, Saudi Arabia and their cronies. No condemnation from you in this regard. No, for you it is those who have liberated the city who are the villains in the piece, and you seem very embittered that the terrorists have been defeated and most, if not all, of the freed hostages are now joyously celebrating their freedom (albeit hidden from Western eyes).
Re: Another Massacre in Yemen
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:13 pm
by rowan
Notice the minor detail tagged onto this English version of the report...
US special forces have launched a surprise raid against an al Qaeda stronghold in central Yemen.
In what appears to be the first American military action in the country under President Donald Trump, Yemeni security officials said three al Qaeda leaders and dozens of militants were killed in the assault.
The Pentagon has not confirmed if it carried out the strike.
Medics at the scene say 10 women and three children were also among the dead.
The botched military raid in Yemen, which resulted in the death of a US special ops soldier, has also “likely” caused collateral victims among civilians, possibly including children, the US Central Command has admitted
The United Nations said on Wednesday that 12 million people in Yemen faced the threat of famine brought on by two years of civil war and the situation was rapidly deteriorating.
It appealed for $2.1 billion to provide food and other life-saving aid, saying that Yemen's economy and institutions are collapsing and its infrastructure has been devastated.
"If there is no immediate action, and despite the ongoing humanitarian efforts, famine is now a real possibility for 2017. Malnutrition is rife and rising at an alarming rate," U.N. emergency relief coordinator Stephen O'Brien told a news briefing.
"A staggering 7.3 million people do not know where their next meal is coming from," he said.
Yemen has been divided by nearly two years of civil war that pits the Iran-allied Houthi group against a Western-backed Sunni Arab coalition led by Saudi Arabia that is carrying out air strikes. At least 10,000 people have been killed in the fighting.
Nearly 3.3 million people - including 2.1 million children - are acutely malnourished, U.N. figures show. They include 460,000 children under age five with the worst form of malnutrition who risk dying of pneumonia or diarrhoeal disease.
The dispute between Sunni and Shia Islam has been going on since Mo's death. There's no real answer, esp as each side considers the other to be apostates, and apostates must be killed in Islam. Hence Iran/Iraq war, Syria, Yemen - and even Asad Shah in Glasgow. On a less serious note, check out this dispute on Egyptian TV: https://www.memri.org/tv/chairs-cups-th ... ns-violent
Re: Another Massacre in Yemen
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:54 pm
by rowan
loudnconfident wrote:The dispute between Sunni and Shia Islam has been going on since Mo's death. There's no real answer, esp as each side considers the other to be apostates, and apostates must be killed in Islam. Hence Iran/Iraq war, Syria, Yemen - and even Asad Shah in Glasgow. On a less serious note, check out this dispute on Egyptian TV: https://www.memri.org/tv/chairs-cups-th ... ns-violent
The Sunni and Shia conflicts were largely confined to the Ottoman Empire and Iran and had lain dormant for almost a century before WWI and the subsequent drawing up of borders by Europeans. You actually cited the best examples of Western interference there, because Iraq was very much egged on and supported by the West in its vicious campaign against Iran - which had just broken off the shackles of American control through a brutal Shah's dictatorship after 26 years (since America had overthrown its first democratic government to gain control of the oil, which had hitherto been controlled by Britain). The French created Syria, though truncating its prime coastal land for Lebanon in the process. The legacy of French rule and an attempted American coup (similar to that they had carried off in Tehran) culminated in the Alawite Assads coming to power as a 'neutral' controlling force over the two religions encapsulated by the European borders. Meanwhile in Saudi Arabia the British had betrayed the Hashemites who had supported them against the Ottomans and instead backed the more fundamentalist Saudis in the fight for control of Arabia, thereby giving rise to Wahhabism - which is today regarded as the world's major source of terrorism. & Britain and America are supporting the Saudis today in their heinous war crimes on impoverished Yemeni civilians.
Re: Another Massacre in Yemen
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:14 pm
by rowan
At least nine people have been killed, including eight women and a child, following an overnight air strike on a funeral party near the Yemeni capital Sanaa.
Houthi rebels claim the Saudi-backed coalition carried out the attack.
Medics say a number of women and children were also injured.
Another famine warning for Yemen. & meanwhile the King of Saudi is visiting Indonesia with 506 tons of luggage and 2 limousines...
A senior UN aid official has urged both sides in Yemen’s civil war to allow more access to the country’s ports to let food, fuel and medicines in.
Stephen O’Brien said Yemenis themselves have to ensure that aid from international donors is reaching the estimated seven million people now facing severe food shortages.
O’Brien, who is the UN’s Emergency Relief Coordinator, warned of a looming famine if their needs are not met.
He has met with the Houthi movement in the capital, Sanaa.
He was planning to visit the flash point city of Taiz on Tuesday, but UN sources say his convoy turned back due to security concerns.
rowan wrote:Unless, of course, you view the world through a brainwashed Anglocentric lens.
He said, as he posted links to RT.
Re: Another Massacre in Yemen
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:41 pm
by rowan
cashead wrote:
rowan wrote:Unless, of course, you view the world through a brainwashed Anglocentric lens.
He said, as he posted links to RT.
This forum is full of links to propaganda sources, notably British and to a lesser degree American. Somehow that doesn't seem to bother you.
Re: Another Massacre in Yemen
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 3:35 am
by cashead
rowan wrote:
cashead wrote:
rowan wrote:Unless, of course, you view the world through a brainwashed Anglocentric lens.
He said, as he posted links to RT.
This forum is full of links to propaganda sources, notably British and to a lesser degree American. Somehow that doesn't seem to bother you.
Whoooooooosh
Re: Another Massacre in Yemen
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:57 pm
by rowan
rowan wrote:Another famine warning for Yemen. & meanwhile the King of Saudi is visiting Indonesia with 506 tons of luggage and 2 limousines...
A senior UN aid official has urged both sides in Yemen’s civil war to allow more access to the country’s ports to let food, fuel and medicines in.
Stephen O’Brien said Yemenis themselves have to ensure that aid from international donors is reaching the estimated seven million people now facing severe food shortages.
O’Brien, who is the UN’s Emergency Relief Coordinator, warned of a looming famine if their needs are not met.
He has met with the Houthi movement in the capital, Sanaa.
He was planning to visit the flash point city of Taiz on Tuesday, but UN sources say his convoy turned back due to security concerns.
America won't let a little thing like famine stand in the way of permanent war & daily bombing of civilians...
The Pentagon has carried out its first major military operation in Yemen since a botched raid in January that killed women and children as well as an American commando.
Re: Another Massacre in Yemen
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:14 pm
by rowan
Brutal . . .
THIS WAS NOT the first time residents of the remote Yakla area had lost family members to a U.S. attack. In December 2013, a drone strike on a wedding convoy killed 12 civilians. The groom, Abdallah al Ameri, survived that attack. But on January 29, the 65-year-old was killed standing unarmed beside his house as it was bombed. A picture posted online shortly after the raid showed his body lying in the rocky sand with his hand clasped around a blood-soaked head torch.
The aftermath of the raid’s destruction left villagers struggling to understand what the Americans were trying to accomplish. Abdulraouf, whose house appeared to be one of the targets, was no stranger to American attempts to kill him. He was the apparent target of at least three separate airstrikes between 2011 and 2013 in al Bayda province, including one in September 2012 that killed 12 civilians — a pregnant woman and three children were among the dead.
Following the deaths, Abdulraouf called on the families of victims to hire international lawyers to take their cases to court in the United States. Two of Abdulraouf’s brothers were also killed by American drone strikes as the U.S. was drawn into a long-running bloody feud that had split the family of some 18 brothers between those aligned with al Qaeda and those who stood with the state.
Although Abdulelah al Dhahab, a brother who survived the January raid but lost his 12-year-old son, denied Abdulraouf was an al Qaeda member, the bonds between the family and Yemen’s al Qaeda insurgency also extend to marital ties. Al Qaeda propagandist and American citizen Anwar al Awlaki married Abdularouf’s sister. Awlaki’s 8-year-old daughter, Nawar, was in the al Dhahab house the night of the raid. She bled to death after being shot in the neck — the second of Awlaki’s children to be killed by the United States since his own death by an American drone strike in September 2011. His eldest son, 16-year-old Denver-born Abdulrahman, was killed by a U.S. drone two weeks after his father.
At least 22 civilians were killed on Friday and dozens wounded when a Saudi-led coalition air strike hit a market in western Yemen causing a fire to break out, a local official said.
Missiles launched by fighter jets of the Arab alliance hit a market selling the mild narcotic leaf qat, which is popular among Yemenis, near the Red Sea fishing town of Khoukha.
Rescue workers on Friday night were battling a blaze in the market caused by the attack and pulling bodies out of the rubble some of which were burned beyond recognition, according to Hashim Azazi, deputy governor of Hodeidah province.
"All of those killed were civilians, none were holding weapons," said Azazi.
A coalition spokesperson was not immediately available to comment.
Khoukha and the nearby city of Hodeidah are controlled by Iran-allied Houthi fighters who in 2014 overran Yemen's capital Sanaa and forced the Saudi-backed government of President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi to flee into exile.
Yemeni government forces backed by Gulf Arab troops recaptured control of the southern Red Sea city of al-Mokha last month in a push that paved the way for an advance on Hodeidah, the country's main port city.
The Saudi-led coalition was formed in 2015 to fight the Houthis and troops loyal to former President Ali Abdullah Saleh who have fired missiles into neighboring Saudi Arabia.
Friday's attacks were the latest in a series of coalition-led strikes that have hit schools, hospitals, markets and private homes.
In December, the coalition acknowledged that it had made "limited use" of British-made cluster bombs, but said it had stopped using them.
