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Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:42 pm
by Puja
England bring on Smith... for Slade. FFS.
Puja
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:49 pm
by Mellsblue
Mako is utterly shattered after 20 mins…
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:50 pm
by Puja
Ludlam need to go off. The game should have been stopped - the ref saw him lying dazed, told him to stay down, but didn't blow the whistle.
And as I type, makes another two tackles. This is going to be evidence in a future lawsuit.
Puja
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:51 pm
by Beasties
This ref is absolutely destroying any residual scrum enjoyment. He’s pathetic.
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:51 pm
by Mr Mwenda
Bloody hell, Lawrence over Capuozzo as player of the match?
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:52 pm
by Mellsblue
Puja wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:50 pm
Ludlam need to go off. The game should have been stopped - the ref saw him lying dazed, told him to stay down, but didn't blow the whistle.
And as I type, makes another two tackles. This is going to be evidence in a future lawsuit.
Puja
Looked like a bang to the nose that put him down and had him holding his face rather than an head knock.
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:53 pm
by Beasties
Remind me again, why did we take our best player off after 52 mins?
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:54 pm
by Mr Mwenda
Finishing on a kadab? No we get a scrum.
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:55 pm
by Puja
Mellsblue wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:52 pm
Puja wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:50 pm
Ludlam need to go off. The game should have been stopped - the ref saw him lying dazed, told him to stay down, but didn't blow the whistle.
And as I type, makes another two tackles. This is going to be evidence in a future lawsuit.
Puja
Looked like a bang to the nose that put him down and had him holding his face rather than an head knock.
I reserve the right to be wrong, but he looked very unsteady at his first attempt to get up.
Puja
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:56 pm
by Mellsblue
Beasties wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:53 pm
Remind me again, why did we take our best player off after 52 mins?
Complete guesswork but it might be workload management if he’s back to France next week and playing a match on a 6N fallow week.
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:57 pm
by Mr Mwenda
Beasties wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:53 pm
Remind me again, why did we take our best player off after 52 mins?
? Farrell played 80....
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:58 pm
by Mellsblue
Puja wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:55 pm
Mellsblue wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:52 pm
Puja wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 4:50 pm
Ludlam need to go off. The game should have been stopped - the ref saw him lying dazed, told him to stay down, but didn't blow the whistle.
And as I type, makes another two tackles. This is going to be evidence in a future lawsuit.
Puja
Looked like a bang to the nose that put him down and had him holding his face rather than an head knock.
I reserve the right to be wrong, but he looked very unsteady at his first attempt to get up.
Puja
Then I’m surprised the docs didn’t pick it up, especially as they called an Italian player off for an HIA a couple of mins later.
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:00 pm
by Spiffy
That win was all brawn and no brains. Compared with Ireland/Scotland yesterday, England has a staggering lack of rugby intelligence.
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:01 pm
by francoisfou
After the outstanding match in Dublin yesterday, thus was very much a second division contest. It’s a shame that the Italians couldn’t reproduce their form of last week , but hats off to them as they weren’t afraid to run the ball from almost anywhere. England can be content with the win but they’ve tougher opponents still to come - and I include Wales, who’ll surely raise their game in Cardiff.
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:02 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
Well, that was, erm, average. Our attacking nous is one dimiensional and our pack just dull.
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:04 pm
by Banquo
Fckin smith comes on and kaddabis what is going on.
Need to dump Faz.
Ludlam has turned into a very good intl, credit jngf where it’s due.
Jury out on Dombrandt still, but that starting 8 is a good one.
Wide Defence, daft penalties, persistently kicking it away, and handling generally remain issues. Good tight defence and set piece generally- Lawrence, Chessum, Ludlam, Willis and Itoje all had good games; both JVP and Mitchell were fine.
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:05 pm
by stepsider
What did Farrell actually do apart from a couple of good touch finds (+ missing 2 conversions)?
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:07 pm
by Mellsblue
stepsider wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:05 pm
What did Farrell actually do apart from a couple of good touch finds (+ missing 2 conversions)?
Just his very presence improves his teammates by 10% obvs
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:07 pm
by Banquo
Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:02 pm
Well, that was, erm, average. Our attacking nous is one dimiensional and our pack just dull.
…as in stupid?
I liked Chessum, Itoje, Willis and Ludlam up front.i
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:07 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:04 pm
Fckin smith comes on and kaddabis what is going on.
Need to dump Faz.
Ludlam has turned into a very good intl, credit jngf where it’s due.
Jury out on Dombrandt still, but that starting 8 is a good one.
Wide Defence, daft penalties, persistently kicking it away, and handling generally remain issues. Good tight defence and set piece generally- Lawrence, Chessum, Ludlam, Willis and Itoje all had good games; both JVP and Mitchell were fine.
Hard to argue with any of that. Except Dombrandt who has looked awful.
And not just dump Faz but dump this ludicrous kick to score bollocks!
Pack is still lacklustre. Ball presentation still poor. Attacking moves are largely absent. There’s almost no point playing wing.
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:08 pm
by Mellsblue
Wise words from Dallaglio.
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:09 pm
by Banquo
Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:07 pm
Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:04 pm
Fckin smith comes on and kaddabis what is going on.
Need to dump Faz.
Ludlam has turned into a very good intl, credit jngf where it’s due.
Jury out on Dombrandt still, but that starting 8 is a good one.
Wide Defence, daft penalties, persistently kicking it away, and handling generally remain issues. Good tight defence and set piece generally- Lawrence, Chessum, Ludlam, Willis and Itoje all had good games; both JVP and Mitchell were fine.
Hard to argue with any of that. Except Dombrandt who has looked awful.
And not just dump Faz but dump this ludicrous kick to score bollocks!
Pack is still lacklustre. Ball presentation still poor. Attacking moves are largely absent. There’s almost no point playing wing.
Jury out for me- he carried well but consistently inconsistent. As said persistently kicking away is killing us.
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:09 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:07 pm
Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:02 pm
Well, that was, erm, average. Our attacking nous is one dimiensional and our pack just dull.
…as in stupid?
I liked Chessum, Itoje, Willis and Ludlam up front.i
Mostly. Maul ok(ish), scrum ok(ish). Bad decisions. Lacking cohesion. Just a big shade of grey. Some good players. But is a bit meh.
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:10 pm
by Beasties
Willis, Chessum, Itoje (yaay), Ludlam good. Domnrandt reminds me of le Tissier, looks great at club level then irrelevant at int’l level. Tom Willis just seems a no brainer upgrade to me but hey ho, same situation as Jack so understand why it’s tricky right now. Lawrence was fine but either side of him nowt going on of any significance.
Bench just dragged the whole match down. Negri pick of the Italians.
Re: Team for Italy
Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:10 pm
by Mellsblue
SCW: too much kicking in the red zone and the captain made a poor decision at the end.
Also SCW: should’ve kept Farrell at 10 for the full 80mins.