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Sandydragon wrote:There is no way that May will lead another election campaign. None. The only reason she isn't busy packing right now, and I understand the likes of BoJo are taking soundings, is that a leadership contest now would be a disaster. Brexit is happening and we can't piss about with a leadership contest now. Once we have a deal in place, I expect those knives being sharpened to be deployed.

It's also in a lot of people's interests to keep May in place. Many Tories don't want Boris but there aren't too many contenders at the moment. I'm not sure Corbyn would want her to go either. If he takes the long view, he is in a great position. He has gained additional seats and regained votes from ukip and other protest parties. He can now watch a weakened PM take the full rap for Brexit whilst chucking grenades in from the sidelines and hoping to capitalise if the Tories fall apart, which given the volatility of the conservative right wing, is quite likely, particularly if May has to compromise and get support of other parties.

Better for Corbyn to have come a close second last night and look to capitalise in a few years time, as I don't think this government will last 5 years.

Banquo wrote:Arlene 'lame duck' Foster telling Theresa May she is a lame duck is a little odd, even if true; Theresa off to see the queen at 12.30 to seek permission to form a government.

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:There is no way that May will lead another election campaign. None. The only reason she isn't busy packing right now, and I understand the likes of BoJo are taking soundings, is that a leadership contest now would be a disaster. Brexit is happening and we can't piss about with a leadership contest now. Once we have a deal in place, I expect those knives being sharpened to be deployed.

It's also in a lot of people's interests to keep May in place. Many Tories don't want Boris but there aren't too many contenders at the moment. I'm not sure Corbyn would want her to go either. If he takes the long view, he is in a great position. He has gained additional seats and regained votes from ukip and other protest parties. He can now watch a weakened PM take the full rap for Brexit whilst chucking grenades in from the sidelines and hoping to capitalise if the Tories fall apart, which given the volatility of the conservative right wing, is quite likely, particularly if May has to compromise and get support of other parties.

Better for Corbyn to have come a close second last night and look to capitalise in a few years time, as I don't think this government will last 5 years.

This. It's probably dawned on all but the most ardent Brexiteers that the negotiations can't succeed as they'd wish. They'll keep May in place to take the rap then knife her. Hopefully the Tory Remainers have already got cross party agreement to insist on either a second referendum in a stay or remain basis or to simply kill off leave in the light of the shit deal.

Sandydragon wrote: What a complete mess.

Mikey Brown wrote:What is the request to the Queen required for? To continue seeking a deal with another party or to just ignore the lack of majority completely?

Mellsblue wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:What is the request to the Queen required for? To continue seeking a deal with another party or to just ignore the lack of majority completely?

Asking her permission to form a govt. The DUP have obviously said they'll back her.

Let's hope the Queen is in a good mood as I want Paddy Power to pay for drowning my sorrows tonight.

Digby wrote:

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:There is no way that May will lead another election campaign. None. The only reason she isn't busy packing right now, and I understand the likes of BoJo are taking soundings, is that a leadership contest now would be a disaster. Brexit is happening and we can't piss about with a leadership contest now. Once we have a deal in place, I expect those knives being sharpened to be deployed.

It's also in a lot of people's interests to keep May in place. Many Tories don't want Boris but there aren't too many contenders at the moment. I'm not sure Corbyn would want her to go either. If he takes the long view, he is in a great position. He has gained additional seats and regained votes from ukip and other protest parties. He can now watch a weakened PM take the full rap for Brexit whilst chucking grenades in from the sidelines and hoping to capitalise if the Tories fall apart, which given the volatility of the conservative right wing, is quite likely, particularly if May has to compromise and get support of other parties.

Better for Corbyn to have come a close second last night and look to capitalise in a few years time, as I don't think this government will last 5 years.

This. It's probably dawned on all but the most ardent Brexiteers that the negotiations can't succeed as they'd wish. They'll keep May in place to take the rap then knife her. Hopefully the Tory Remainers have already got cross party agreement to insist on either a second referendum in a stay or remain basis or to simply kill off leave in the light of the shit deal.

There is still Corbyn wanting to nationalise anything which moves, and to make his plans easier it'd be better for him to see the UK out of the EU

Mellsblue wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:What is the request to the Queen required for? To continue seeking a deal with another party or to just ignore the lack of majority completely?

Asking her permission to form a govt. The DUP have obviously said they'll back her.

Let's hope the Queen is in a good mood as I want Paddy Power to pay for drowning my sorrows tonight.

Big D wrote:Lets pretend for a minute that the Conservatives can struggle on for a full term of 5 years, would a 73 year old Corbyn be electable as PM come 2022? He seems in reasonable health and I wish him not ill health but serving as a PM or even in front line politics from 73-78 is a big ask of anyone.

Not that the Conservative government will last that long.

Stones of granite wrote:I'm in shock. Until now, I hadn't lived in a constituency with a Tory MP since I left Hertfordshire in 1988.
(Ochil and South Perthshire)

Stones of granite wrote:I'm in shock. Until now, I hadn't lived in a constituency with a Tory MP since I left Hertfordshire in 1988.
(Ochil and South Perthshire)

Banquo wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:I'm in shock. Until now, I hadn't lived in a constituency with a Tory MP since I left Hertfordshire in 1988.
(Ochil and South Perthshire)

whats the view on indyref2?

fivepointer wrote:What a turn up! An utterly rivetting nights political ping pong.

While I am delighted that May & the Tories got a deserved bloody nose for their rank opportunism it does leave us with a PM fatally undermined, to be propped up by the DUP, about to embark on the most important negotiations undertaken by a Govt in my lifetime. If the Tory/DUP double act falls apart, or even fails to get off the ground, another election beckons as a Labour led coalition is really a non starter.

What an appalling mess we've gotten into.

Banquo wrote:

fivepointer wrote:What a turn up! An utterly rivetting nights political ping pong.

While I am delighted that May & the Tories got a deserved bloody nose for their rank opportunism it does leave us with a PM fatally undermined, to be propped up by the DUP, about to embark on the most important negotiations undertaken by a Govt in my lifetime. If the Tory/DUP double act falls apart, or even fails to get off the ground, another election beckons as a Labour led coalition is really a non starter.

What an appalling mess we've gotten into.

yep; ironically, at least in part because the tory party was trying to stop tearing itself apart.....