Digby wrote:How the Republicans are going about this, attacking Republican appointed public servants, attacking ambassadors, trying to out the whistleblower, even attacking decorated serving military officers simply isn't going to help them, not even close. I get they've got a problem with Trump insisting the call was perfect, it would be much easier to say mistakes were made but it's not impeachable, but what they're doing is so at odds with reality and respectful treatment of others how do they possibly envisage not taking a worse hit for it in the polls?
Have you met the Trump base, about 30% of the population or 2/3 of GOP?
I guess you never understood the ongoing support for Berlusconi either. Nothing to be ashamed about it, mind you!
Point is, the president election is all about character. Trump had the right character for these voters. They will not lose that 30%. They may end up with being only that 30%, but there are other affinities of interest with other groups, so it is unlikely.
But that, talking only to the base, ensures a huge defeat in any number of elections, a general, several senate seats, it's absurd. And worse they could be doing long term damage to the party with this behaviour, and they're doing so at a point in time when the Dems are making a harder shift to the left than we've seen for a long time which takes things further away from what Republicans would see as progressive.
I really don't see what they're seeing as the net benefit from their daft, and frankly disgusting behaviour
Digby wrote:How the Republicans are going about this, attacking Republican appointed public servants, attacking ambassadors, trying to out the whistleblower, even attacking decorated serving military officers simply isn't going to help them, not even close. I get they've got a problem with Trump insisting the call was perfect, it would be much easier to say mistakes were made but it's not impeachable, but what they're doing is so at odds with reality and respectful treatment of others how do they possibly envisage not taking a worse hit for it in the polls?
Have you met the Trump base, about 30% of the population or 2/3 of GOP?
I guess you never understood the ongoing support for Berlusconi either. Nothing to be ashamed about it, mind you!
Point is, the president election is all about character. Trump had the right character for these voters. They will not lose that 30%. They may end up with being only that 30%, but there are other affinities of interest with other groups, so it is unlikely.
But that, talking only to the base, ensures a huge defeat in any number of elections, a general, several senate seats, it's absurd. And worse they could be doing long term damage to the party with this behaviour, and they're doing so at a point in time when the Dems are making a harder shift to the left than we've seen for a long time which takes things further away from what Republicans would see as progressive.
I really don't see what they're seeing as the net benefit from their daft, and frankly disgusting behaviour
That 30% guarantees that only aligned candidates will win primaries. It is not absurd if your job depends literally on them. If they are not winning primaries they cannot be elected. They can worry about beating the democrat candidate after.
You can see how much they are attached to their job. That, my friend, is dedication.
gransoporro wrote:
Have you met the Trump base, about 30% of the population or 2/3 of GOP?
I guess you never understood the ongoing support for Berlusconi either. Nothing to be ashamed about it, mind you!
Point is, the president election is all about character. Trump had the right character for these voters. They will not lose that 30%. They may end up with being only that 30%, but there are other affinities of interest with other groups, so it is unlikely.
But that, talking only to the base, ensures a huge defeat in any number of elections, a general, several senate seats, it's absurd. And worse they could be doing long term damage to the party with this behaviour, and they're doing so at a point in time when the Dems are making a harder shift to the left than we've seen for a long time which takes things further away from what Republicans would see as progressive.
I really don't see what they're seeing as the net benefit from their daft, and frankly disgusting behaviour
That 30% guarantees that only aligned candidates will win primaries. It is not absurd if your job depends literally on them. If they are not winning primaries they cannot be elected. They can worry about beating the democrat candidate after.
You can see how much they are attached to their job. That, my friend, is dedication.
It's barking mad. The voting demographics are skewing badly against them on both the ethnicity and age front, and the best they can offer is to deny the downright bleedin' obvious for a fat orange wanker who isn't even a Republican. Trumps isn't going to be around forever, whether by dint of the 2020 election or his age and BMI, so what then? A future that panders to the Tea Party and other less stable still? They're set to undermine the conservative voice for a significant period and that's not good for those voters who want that or actually for the Democrats who could use a decent opposition
"If it weren't for me, Hong Kong would've been obliterated in 14 minutes," Trump said in a wide-ranging interview with "Fox & Friends" on Friday morning. He added that Xi has "got a million soldiers standing outside of Hong Kong that aren't going in only because I asked him, 'Please don't do that, it's going to make a tremendous negative impact on the trade deal.'"
One for the "how the fuck can someone this intellectually hamstrung possibly be an effective public servant" files:
Rick Perry, Energy Secretary, responsible for the science and technology of energy supply and management, including raioactive waste:
"Energy Secretary Rick Perry said in an interview that he told President Donald Trump that he was God's "chosen one" to lead the United States, just as he chose the kings to lead Israel in the Old Testament.
Perry, who will reportedly soon be leaving the Cabinet, explained that nothing in the universe is accidental and that God "is still very active in the details of the day-to-day lives of government."
"Barack Obama didn't get to be the president of the United States without being ordained by God. Neither did Donald Trump," he said in a Fox News interview that aired Sunday, adding that God has used "individuals who aren't perfect all through history."
You don't have to work stuff out because God has a plan. Just kick back.
morepork wrote:One for the "how the fuck can someone this intellectually hamstrung possibly be an effective public servant" files:
Rick Perry, Energy Secretary, responsible for the science and technology of energy supply and management, including raioactive waste:
"Energy Secretary Rick Perry said in an interview that he told President Donald Trump that he was God's "chosen one" to lead the United States, just as he chose the kings to lead Israel in the Old Testament.
Perry, who will reportedly soon be leaving the Cabinet, explained that nothing in the universe is accidental and that God "is still very active in the details of the day-to-day lives of government."
"Barack Obama didn't get to be the president of the United States without being ordained by God. Neither did Donald Trump," he said in a Fox News interview that aired Sunday, adding that God has used "individuals who aren't perfect all through history."
You don't have to work stuff out because God has a plan. Just kick back.
That's brilliant. Nothing is an accident. So (to take example familar to Americans) presumably 9-11 was God's will? How do these people function at all?
Everyone knows this. It's a sham all around, but still it plays out. Anyone who dares speak out against it is battered with the blinding power of American sunshine. You can actually forge a lifelong career in politics in this country by avoiding all responsibility simply by invoking the Sky God. Through in some hollow gunz and socialism rhetoric and you've pretty much got a career full house. At least until you get caught in the throes of autoerotic asphyxia with a pound of cocaine and a Tijuana pool boy. That however seems preferable to the scandal of a woman in power or the possibility of another black man.
What a strange mix of innovation and arse-backwards society this country is.
morepork wrote:You’d think the fat fuck would stand and give a sister a seat.
His face has colour coordinated with his chair
Has anyone ever seen him stand up from a seat? Can he even stand by himself or does he need a winch? And if he can stand is he reliant on using armrests to gain some additional lift?
Trump in an interview with Bill O'Reilly has said he didn't direct Giuliani to go to the Ukraine. Two thoughts, firstly that's not even a remotely credible line, and second wtf are you doing giving an interview to Bill O'Reilly? Did you think you didn't have enough rape accusations and associations, and now with Epstein gone you needed to balance the situation back out?
Mikey Brown wrote:My god it's hard to not get distracted by all the superficially dumb stuff he says/does. It's just endless.
It's a distraction; a triviality to drive you insane; a tiny extra step forward in the project to dumb everything down.
Try to ignore it.
Yup. I can't imagine he is saying such incredibly stupid things intentionally, but it certainly doesn't seem like any of his minders are trying to stop him. It's a good tactic. They can reasonably argue that "the left" complain about everything he does, so the real horrific stuff just gets mixed up in the cringe-worthy shit about his hands, hair and orange skin.
