Digby wrote:A partnership with the DUP seems fraught with issues, but unless Labour want to confirm they wouldn't seek support from Plaid Cymru and the SNP in any minority government then it'd perhaps be better not to throw stones in glass houses
Oh, fwck off with the partisan nonsense when it's a real and valid question on something that has real meaning. Both Scotland and Wales are very different circumstances to NI, and you know it.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:36 pm
by Mikey Brown
I think she just managed to answer 10 questions in a row with the phrase "forming a government in the national interest".
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:48 pm
by Mellsblue
Mikey Brown wrote:I think she just managed to answer 10 questions in a row with the phrase "forming a government in the national interest".
Another 62 and she'll break her 'strong and stable' record.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:55 pm
by Banquo
Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote:
always his own position anyway
I think largely down to rules around state ownership, I can't think otherwise he'd want to unwind all the worker's rights and trust a Tory government to uphold similar in future
No. like Tony Benn, it was an anti-elite thing.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:03 pm
by Banquo
Stom wrote:
Digby wrote:A partnership with the DUP seems fraught with issues, but unless Labour want to confirm they wouldn't seek support from Plaid Cymru and the SNP in any minority government then it'd perhaps be better not to throw stones in glass houses
Oh, fwck off with the partisan nonsense when it's a real and valid question on something that has real meaning. Both Scotland and Wales are very different circumstances to NI, and you know it.
er, suspect its a different point being addressed (and Digby isn't a conservative) - Labour has been making noises that an alliance with the DUP isn't legitimate because English punters didn't have an opportunity to scrutinise a DUP candidate/manifesto so couldn't know what they were voting for, unlike a tory/libdem alliance. A tad tenuous, and you'd have the same issue with SNP/PC/(SF) in a 'progressive' alliance...which would be too short of votes anyway.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:05 pm
by Digby
Stom wrote:
Digby wrote:A partnership with the DUP seems fraught with issues, but unless Labour want to confirm they wouldn't seek support from Plaid Cymru and the SNP in any minority government then it'd perhaps be better not to throw stones in glass houses
Oh, fwck off with the partisan nonsense when it's a real and valid question on something that has real meaning. Both Scotland and Wales are very different circumstances to NI, and you know it.
But all will come with the valid concern that the national parties will seek to gouge terms in their interests. Also I'm not sure how I'm partisan in this, yes I don't like Corbyn, but I don't like the Tories either, I'd like to like the Lib Dems but sadly their policies get in the way of that.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:08 pm
by Digby
Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote:
always his own position anyway
I think largely down to rules around state ownership, I can't think otherwise he'd want to unwind all the worker's rights and trust a Tory government to uphold similar in future
No. like Tony Benn, it was an anti-elite thing.
Not sure how they arrived at that nonsense. Okay the CAP was set up to stop the 'threat' of communism in France, but that's a long time back, CAP serves a very different purpose now, and the EU has been good for worker rights.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:09 pm
by Zhivago
How will this work with the whole English votes for English laws thing? Well they even have a majority without their Scottish and NI MPs?
Re: RE: Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:10 pm
by Digby
canta_brian wrote:
Sandydragon wrote:There were some interesting articles in the press yesterday concerning a softer brexit. Im not convinced that May, with a big majority, would not have gone for some kind of compromise. However, thats all speculation now. Will the EU be a bit more bullish now, knowing that she is hugely weakened? Can she get a vote through parliament? I don't think she can.
But what if she can't? My understanding is that if we don't agree a deal, we are still leaving anyway. A second referendum in the UK doesn't mean much if there is no offer on the table to offer the electorate if the PM can't get something through parliament.
What a complete mess.
Raises a good point. Now that article 50 is triggered can we stay in? If we don't like the deal offered and vote against it,is the only option no deal and leave or can we stay in?
We're out now, unless we ask back in and every other EU state agrees to it
Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:12 pm
by canta_brian
Digby wrote:
canta_brian wrote:
Sandydragon wrote:There were some interesting articles in the press yesterday concerning a softer brexit. Im not convinced that May, with a big majority, would not have gone for some kind of compromise. However, thats all speculation now. Will the EU be a bit more bullish now, knowing that she is hugely weakened? Can she get a vote through parliament? I don't think she can.
But what if she can't? My understanding is that if we don't agree a deal, we are still leaving anyway. A second referendum in the UK doesn't mean much if there is no offer on the table to offer the electorate if the PM can't get something through parliament.
What a complete mess.
Raises a good point. Now that article 50 is triggered can we stay in? If we don't like the deal offered and vote against it,is the only option no deal and leave or can we stay in?
We're out now, unless we ask back in and every other EU state agrees to it
Rock and hard place spring to mind.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:18 pm
by Banquo
Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:
I think largely down to rules around state ownership, I can't think otherwise he'd want to unwind all the worker's rights and trust a Tory government to uphold similar in future
No. like Tony Benn, it was an anti-elite thing.
Not sure how they arrived at that nonsense. Okay the CAP was set up to stop the 'threat' of communism in France, but that's a long time back, CAP serves a very different purpose now, and the EU has been good for worker rights.
as in 'an elite running things for their and their mates benefits'
Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:19 pm
by Banquo
canta_brian wrote:
Digby wrote:
canta_brian wrote:
Raises a good point. Now that article 50 is triggered can we stay in? If we don't like the deal offered and vote against it,is the only option no deal and leave or can we stay in?
We're out now, unless we ask back in and every other EU state agrees to it
Rock and hard place spring to mind.
been that way since last June.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:45 pm
by Stones of granite
Zhivago wrote:How will this work with the whole English votes for English laws thing? Well they even have a majority without their Scottish and NI MPs?
That's actually quite an interesting point. Watch out for lots of back-pedalling on what the scope of this is.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:48 pm
by Sandydragon
Zhivago wrote:How will this work with the whole English votes for English laws thing? Well they even have a majority without their Scottish and NI MPs?
There are 533 English MPs. The Tories have 21 Celtic MPs, which would leave them with 297. That would leave them with a majority of 60 odd for English votes, depending on how the final London seat ends up.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:58 pm
by Zhivago
Sandydragon wrote:
Zhivago wrote:How will this work with the whole English votes for English laws thing? Well they even have a majority without their Scottish and NI MPs?
There are 533 English MPs. The Tories have 21 Celtic MPs, which would leave them with 297. That would leave them with a majority of 60 odd for English votes, depending on how the final London seat ends up.
But what about votes which include the Welsh MPs...
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:02 pm
by canta_brian
I see Theresa's latest soundbite is "let's get back to work".
Work she could easily have been getting on with already were it not for some fucktard's decision to call a snap election.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:39 pm
by twitchy
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:52 pm
by Sandydragon
Zhivago wrote:
Sandydragon wrote:
Zhivago wrote:How will this work with the whole English votes for English laws thing? Well they even have a majority without their Scottish and NI MPs?
There are 533 English MPs. The Tories have 21 Celtic MPs, which would leave them with 297. That would leave them with a majority of 60 odd for English votes, depending on how the final London seat ends up.
But what about votes which include the Welsh MPs...
There are 40 Welsh MPs, so even if they were all opposition, it wouldn't make a huge difference on paper.
Only a vote which excluded NI MPs would cause a problem.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:56 pm
by twitchy
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:16 pm
by Lord Lucan
Nigel Farage for Prime Minister, what a wonderful thought.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:49 am
by Rich
Majority lost
Bollocks.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:09 am
by Vengeful Glutton
Looks like the gormless Theresa May misread the younger vote, who had left their safe spaces to respond to Brexit. Great to see it being insufficient to get the left back in, and better still, it means the DUP will be in a position to curtail shinner skullduggery oop north!
SNP lose seats too, meaning Jimmy Kranky's dreams of sweaty independence will have to be put on hold.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:54 am
by morepork
Who the fuck is the Spinal Tap extra in that vid? Has he no pride?
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:51 am
by Coco
Wearing a leather jacket with no shirt to cover his hairless chest distracted me from what he was saying.
Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:22 am
by cashead
^ Who the fuck wears a leather jacket with no shirt underneath? Have some fucking self-respect, like.
Who the fuck cares about what some love-child of John Lennon if he were inbred and a fucking tampon has to say.
