Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:09 pm
How will this work with the whole English votes for English laws thing? Well they even have a majority without their Scottish and NI MPs?
We're out now, unless we ask back in and every other EU state agrees to itcanta_brian wrote:Raises a good point. Now that article 50 is triggered can we stay in? If we don't like the deal offered and vote against it,is the only option no deal and leave or can we stay in?Sandydragon wrote:There were some interesting articles in the press yesterday concerning a softer brexit. Im not convinced that May, with a big majority, would not have gone for some kind of compromise. However, thats all speculation now. Will the EU be a bit more bullish now, knowing that she is hugely weakened? Can she get a vote through parliament? I don't think she can.
But what if she can't? My understanding is that if we don't agree a deal, we are still leaving anyway. A second referendum in the UK doesn't mean much if there is no offer on the table to offer the electorate if the PM can't get something through parliament.
What a complete mess.
Rock and hard place spring to mind.Digby wrote:We're out now, unless we ask back in and every other EU state agrees to itcanta_brian wrote:Raises a good point. Now that article 50 is triggered can we stay in? If we don't like the deal offered and vote against it,is the only option no deal and leave or can we stay in?Sandydragon wrote:There were some interesting articles in the press yesterday concerning a softer brexit. Im not convinced that May, with a big majority, would not have gone for some kind of compromise. However, thats all speculation now. Will the EU be a bit more bullish now, knowing that she is hugely weakened? Can she get a vote through parliament? I don't think she can.
But what if she can't? My understanding is that if we don't agree a deal, we are still leaving anyway. A second referendum in the UK doesn't mean much if there is no offer on the table to offer the electorate if the PM can't get something through parliament.
What a complete mess.
as in 'an elite running things for their and their mates benefits'Digby wrote:Not sure how they arrived at that nonsense. Okay the CAP was set up to stop the 'threat' of communism in France, but that's a long time back, CAP serves a very different purpose now, and the EU has been good for worker rights.Banquo wrote:No. like Tony Benn, it was an anti-elite thing.Digby wrote:
I think largely down to rules around state ownership, I can't think otherwise he'd want to unwind all the worker's rights and trust a Tory government to uphold similar in future
been that way since last June.canta_brian wrote:Rock and hard place spring to mind.Digby wrote:We're out now, unless we ask back in and every other EU state agrees to itcanta_brian wrote: Raises a good point. Now that article 50 is triggered can we stay in? If we don't like the deal offered and vote against it,is the only option no deal and leave or can we stay in?
That's actually quite an interesting point. Watch out for lots of back-pedalling on what the scope of this is.Zhivago wrote:How will this work with the whole English votes for English laws thing? Well they even have a majority without their Scottish and NI MPs?
There are 533 English MPs. The Tories have 21 Celtic MPs, which would leave them with 297. That would leave them with a majority of 60 odd for English votes, depending on how the final London seat ends up.Zhivago wrote:How will this work with the whole English votes for English laws thing? Well they even have a majority without their Scottish and NI MPs?
But what about votes which include the Welsh MPs...Sandydragon wrote:There are 533 English MPs. The Tories have 21 Celtic MPs, which would leave them with 297. That would leave them with a majority of 60 odd for English votes, depending on how the final London seat ends up.Zhivago wrote:How will this work with the whole English votes for English laws thing? Well they even have a majority without their Scottish and NI MPs?
There are 40 Welsh MPs, so even if they were all opposition, it wouldn't make a huge difference on paper.Zhivago wrote:But what about votes which include the Welsh MPs...Sandydragon wrote:There are 533 English MPs. The Tories have 21 Celtic MPs, which would leave them with 297. That would leave them with a majority of 60 odd for English votes, depending on how the final London seat ends up.Zhivago wrote:How will this work with the whole English votes for English laws thing? Well they even have a majority without their Scottish and NI MPs?
Perth was about 20 votes and between 2 constituencies in Glasgow around 200 votes. These were snp held seats with Tories right up their arse.SerjeantWildgoose wrote:Ah but the SNP bloke in NE Fife managed to scrape over the line by 2 votes - ye wouldn't want to be his missus picking his boxers up of the bathroom floor this morning.
cashead wrote:^ Who the fuck wears a leather jacket with no shirt underneath? Have some fucking self-respect, like.
Who the fuck cares about what some love-child of John Lennon if he were inbred and a fucking tampon has to say.
Isn't that symptomatic of the world of politics?Stones of granite wrote:The big irony of the outcome in Scotland, is that all the way through the campaign, Ruth Davidson deflected all discussion about the Tory manifesto and Tory policies to talk only about Indyref2, now she's turned in an exceptional result for her party and they thank her by going into coalition with a bunch of crazies who would quite happily burn her as a witch for being a Lesbian.
Yeah, it would. The UK Gov is supposed to be mediating in the NI political crisis. How can that be done on a neutral basis when they are dependent on support from the DUP in Westminster?Mellsblue wrote:Yep. I'm not a Twatterer but I believe she retweeted a blog/post/speech she made on gay marriage as the DUP tie-up was mooted.
Also, confidence and supply deal with DUP is confirmed. Will Paddy Power finally pay me?!?!?
Finally, rumours of Sinn Fein issuing court proceedings on the basis that the confidence and supply agreement contravenes the Good Friday Agreement.
No need for the rumoured court case then. Can you let me know the clause(s) the deal breaks?Zhivago wrote:Yeah, it would. The UK Gov is supposed to be mediating in the NI political crisis. How can that be done on a neutral basis when they are dependent on support from the DUP in Westminster?Mellsblue wrote:Yep. I'm not a Twatterer but I believe she retweeted a blog/post/speech she made on gay marriage as the DUP tie-up was mooted.
Also, confidence and supply deal with DUP is confirmed. Will Paddy Power finally pay me?!?!?
Finally, rumours of Sinn Fein issuing court proceedings on the basis that the confidence and supply agreement contravenes the Good Friday Agreement.