Lions

[bruce]

When push comes to shove, coaches are going fall on the side of players they know. No Scottish representation in the coaching team (although it was offered), is probably the main reason there isn't more Scots in the squad.

[Wylie Coyote]

When push comes to shove, coaches are going fall on the side of players they know. No Scottish representation in the coaching team (although it was offered), is probably the main reason there isn't more Scots in the squad.

Aye "offered" as in asking our national coach Townsend to be ROBERT HOWLEY's assistant? That was a clear insult in an of itself. It is as if Gatland has gone out of his way to destroy the Lions concept as far as Scottish rugby is concerned.

[whatisthejava]

When push comes to shove, coaches are going fall on the side of players they know. No Scottish representation in the coaching team (although it was offered), is probably the main reason there isn't more Scots in the squad.

Breakdown by if Scotland has beaten them this year

13 Lions out of 39 have not lost to a Scottish team; all blacks must be shitting it

66% lions beaten by a Scottish team

Jamie George (England), nope 2/2
Maro Itoje (England), nope 2/2
George Kruis (England), nope 1/1
Courtney Lawes (England), - nope 1/1
Billy Vunipola (England), - nope 2/2 against Scotland
Mako Vunipola (England), - nope 2/2 against Scotland
Elliot Daly (England), nope
Owen Farrell (England), nope
Jonathan Joseph (England), nope
Jack Nowell (England), nope
Jared Payne (Ireland), nope - injured
Ben Te'o (England), (nope)
Anthony Watson (England), (nope)



Rory Best (Ireland), Scotland
Dan Cole (England), Glasgow twice
Taulupe Faletau (Wales), scotland
Tadhg Furlong (Ireland), scotland
Iain Henderson (Ireland), scotland
Alun Wyn Jones (Wales), scotland
Joe Marler (England), - Edinburgh
Jack McGrath (Ireland), - Scotland
Ross Moriarty (Wales), - Scotland
Sean O'Brien (Ireland), - Scotland
Peter O'Mahony (Ireland), - Scotland
Ken Owens (Wales), -Scotland
Kyle Sinckler (England), - Edinburgh
CJ Stander (Ireland), - Scotland
Justin Tipuric (Wales), - Scotland
Sam Warburton (Wales) - Scotland

Backs:

Dan Biggar (Wales), Scotland
Jonathan Davies (Wales), Scotland
Leigh Halfpenny (Wales), Scotland
Robbie Henshaw (Ireland), scotland
Conor Murray (Ireland), scotland
George North (Wales), scotland
Jonathan Sexton (Ireland), scotland
Rhys Webb (Wales), Scotland
Liam Williams (Wales), - Scotland
Ben Youngs (England) (2) Glasgow

[bruce]

When push comes to shove, coaches are going fall on the side of players they know. No Scottish representation in the coaching team (although it was offered), is probably the main reason there isn't more Scots in the squad.

Breakdown by if Scotland has beaten them this year

13 Lions out of 39 have not lost to a Scottish team; all blacks must be shitting it

66% lions beaten by a Scottish team

Jamie George (England), nope 2/2
Maro Itoje (England), nope 2/2
George Kruis (England), nope 1/1
Courtney Lawes (England), - nope 1/1
Billy Vunipola (England), - nope 2/2 against Scotland
Mako Vunipola (England), - nope 2/2 against Scotland
Elliot Daly (England), nope
Owen Farrell (England), nope
Jonathan Joseph (England), nope
Jack Nowell (England), nope
Jared Payne (Ireland), nope - injured
Ben Te'o (England), (nope)
Anthony Watson (England), (nope)



Rory Best (Ireland), Scotland
Dan Cole (England), Glasgow twice
Taulupe Faletau (Wales), scotland
Tadhg Furlong (Ireland), scotland
Iain Henderson (Ireland), scotland
Alun Wyn Jones (Wales), scotland
Joe Marler (England), - Edinburgh
Jack McGrath (Ireland), - Scotland
Ross Moriarty (Wales), - Scotland
Sean O'Brien (Ireland), - Scotland
Peter O'Mahony (Ireland), - Scotland
Ken Owens (Wales), -Scotland
Kyle Sinckler (England), - Edinburgh
CJ Stander (Ireland), - Scotland
Justin Tipuric (Wales), - Scotland
Sam Warburton (Wales) - Scotland

Backs:

Dan Biggar (Wales), Scotland
Jonathan Davies (Wales), Scotland
Leigh Halfpenny (Wales), Scotland
Robbie Henshaw (Ireland), scotland
Conor Murray (Ireland), scotland
George North (Wales), scotland
Jonathan Sexton (Ireland), scotland
Rhys Webb (Wales), Scotland
Liam Williams (Wales), - Scotland
Ben Youngs (England) (2) Glasgow

I don't really get the point of this?! If you had 41 Scottish players making up the squad, you'd have in all probability 100% of them losing to Welsh and Irish teams certainly and high percentage to English teams.

[hugh_woatmeigh]

When push comes to shove, coaches are going fall on the side of players they know. No Scottish representation in the coaching team (although it was offered), is probably the main reason there isn't more Scots in the squad.

Breakdown by if Scotland has beaten them this year

13 Lions out of 39 have not lost to a Scottish team; all blacks must be shitting it

66% lions beaten by a Scottish team

Jamie George (England), nope 2/2
Maro Itoje (England), nope 2/2
George Kruis (England), nope 1/1
Courtney Lawes (England), - nope 1/1
Billy Vunipola (England), - nope 2/2 against Scotland
Mako Vunipola (England), - nope 2/2 against Scotland
Elliot Daly (England), nope
Owen Farrell (England), nope
Jonathan Joseph (England), nope
Jack Nowell (England), nope
Jared Payne (Ireland), nope - injured
Ben Te'o (England), (nope)
Anthony Watson (England), (nope)



Rory Best (Ireland), Scotland
Dan Cole (England), Glasgow twice
Taulupe Faletau (Wales), scotland
Tadhg Furlong (Ireland), scotland
Iain Henderson (Ireland), scotland
Alun Wyn Jones (Wales), scotland
Joe Marler (England), - Edinburgh
Jack McGrath (Ireland), - Scotland
Ross Moriarty (Wales), - Scotland
Sean O'Brien (Ireland), - Scotland
Peter O'Mahony (Ireland), - Scotland
Ken Owens (Wales), -Scotland
Kyle Sinckler (England), - Edinburgh
CJ Stander (Ireland), - Scotland
Justin Tipuric (Wales), - Scotland
Sam Warburton (Wales) - Scotland

Backs:

Dan Biggar (Wales), Scotland
Jonathan Davies (Wales), Scotland
Leigh Halfpenny (Wales), Scotland
Robbie Henshaw (Ireland), scotland
Conor Murray (Ireland), scotland
George North (Wales), scotland
Jonathan Sexton (Ireland), scotland
Rhys Webb (Wales), Scotland
Liam Williams (Wales), - Scotland
Ben Youngs (England) (2) Glasgow

Hi Java. Did you forget to include the Welsh & Irish club results against Scottish teams?

[whatisthejava]

When push comes to shove, coaches are going fall on the side of players they know. No Scottish representation in the coaching team (although it was offered), is probably the main reason there isn't more Scots in the squad.

Breakdown by if Scotland has beaten them this year

13 Lions out of 39 have not lost to a Scottish team; all blacks must be shitting it

66% lions beaten by a Scottish team

Jamie George (England), nope 2/2
Maro Itoje (England), nope 2/2
George Kruis (England), nope 1/1
Courtney Lawes (England), - nope 1/1
Billy Vunipola (England), - nope 2/2 against Scotland
Mako Vunipola (England), - nope 2/2 against Scotland
Elliot Daly (England), nope
Owen Farrell (England), nope
Jonathan Joseph (England), nope
Jack Nowell (England), nope
Jared Payne (Ireland), nope - injured
Ben Te'o (England), (nope)
Anthony Watson (England), (nope)



Rory Best (Ireland), Scotland
Dan Cole (England), Glasgow twice
Taulupe Faletau (Wales), scotland
Tadhg Furlong (Ireland), scotland
Iain Henderson (Ireland), scotland
Alun Wyn Jones (Wales), scotland
Joe Marler (England), - Edinburgh
Jack McGrath (Ireland), - Scotland
Ross Moriarty (Wales), - Scotland
Sean O'Brien (Ireland), - Scotland
Peter O'Mahony (Ireland), - Scotland
Ken Owens (Wales), -Scotland
Kyle Sinckler (England), - Edinburgh
CJ Stander (Ireland), - Scotland
Justin Tipuric (Wales), - Scotland
Sam Warburton (Wales) - Scotland

Backs:

Dan Biggar (Wales), Scotland
Jonathan Davies (Wales), Scotland
Leigh Halfpenny (Wales), Scotland
Robbie Henshaw (Ireland), scotland
Conor Murray (Ireland), scotland
George North (Wales), scotland
Jonathan Sexton (Ireland), scotland
Rhys Webb (Wales), Scotland
Liam Williams (Wales), - Scotland
Ben Youngs (England) (2) Glasgow

I don't really get the point of this?! If you had 41 Scottish players making up the squad, you'd have in all probability 100% of them losing to Welsh and Irish teams certainly and high percentage to English teams.

How do you expect to win against the best in the world when you select players who cant beat Scotland,

hardly a ringing endorcement for the talent going to NZ

[bruce]

How do you expect to win against the best in the world when you select players who cant beat Scotland,

hardly a ringing endorcement for the talent going to NZ

Logic seems a bit fecked Java, if you benchmarking players as should be able to beat Scotland, therefore insinuating Scotland are shit. How does adding more Scottish players help?

For what its worth I had 5 Scots in a squad of 36.

[whatisthejava]

How do you expect to win against the best in the world when you select players who cant beat Scotland,

hardly a ringing endorcement for the talent going to NZ

Logic seems a bit fecked Java, if you benchmarking players as should be able to beat Scotland, therefore insinuating Scotland are shit. How does adding more Scottish players help?

For what its worth I had 5 Scots in a squad of 36.

Im benchmarking that if the players that were picked were the best available then they 66% would not have lost to scottish teams at international or european level , especially considering that if these were the best in britain then why is their win rate against players not good enough to make it so poor

[Mikey Brown]

I don't understand this particular argument but I'm certainly enjoying reading it.

I don't feel there's a whole lot to be said about it but I really would question whether Gatland even watched the Scotland v Wales and Scotland v Ireland games.

[hugh_woatmeigh]

Java you seem quite content to use the Sarries v Glasgow game to support your argument for English players. Could you please re-calculate using the Munster results against Glasgow from Europe?

[whatisthejava]

Java you seem quite content to use the Sarries v Glasgow game to support your argument for English players. Could you please re-calculate using the Munster results against Glasgow from Europe?

you can manipulate the stats anyway you want (i did) the fact remains that at either international or European level most of those guys have lost to players deemed not good enough,

i could come up with lots of stats to say the welsh deserved their high numbers but its pretty much bullsh!t, its an interesting stat that demonstrates the fact the coaches picked who they wanted to go with ,

The welsh media have already turned round and said that the only way to beat the blacks is to bash them into submission, whatever you do dont tell the irish

[sharvey44]

Java you seem quite content to use the Sarries v Glasgow game to support your argument for English players. Could you please re-calculate using the Munster results against Glasgow from Europe?

By the same token you could use the Glasgow v Leicester (both legs) or even Edinburgh v Quins (both legs).

[switchskier]

Dan Biggar as a lions ten? I know i picked Gatland to do it but now that i see it i just cant get my head around it.

Really dissapointing for Gray jr. Thought he deserved to tour, especially in such a massive squad.

[switchskier]

Actually I'm now worried that Hogg is going to be asked to chase high balls all day long and come back a different player. Seymour would be perfect for that but will only get 40 minutes for the dirt trackers somewhere and never touch the ball.

Why rugby? Why do you do this to me?

[Buggaluggs]

oooh. Two!! Congratulations!

[MrK]

There are more players in the Lions squad born in New Zealand than play for Scotland.

There are more Gorseinon players in the squad than play for Scotland !

[Tobylerone]

Done now.. Let`s just hope they both come back with their arms and legs in correct alignment..

[kk67]

There are more players in the Lions squad born in New Zealand than play for Scotland.

There's an odd symmetry to that.

[Chunks Baws]

I feel sorry for any Scots that have coughed up a lot of dosh to go to NZ. Imagine spending a few weeks having to listen to all the chippy Welsh pricks.

[kk67]

Java you seem quite content to use the Sarries v Glasgow game to support your argument for English players. Could you please re-calculate using the Munster results against Glasgow from Europe?

you can manipulate the stats anyway you want (i did) the fact remains that at either international or European level most of those guys have lost to players deemed not good enough,

i could come up with lots of stats to say the welsh deserved their high numbers but its pretty much bullsh!t, its an interesting stat that demonstrates the fact the coaches picked who they wanted to go with ,

The welsh media have already turned round and said that the only way to beat the blacks is to bash them into submission, whatever you do dont tell the irish

Quality manipulation of stats. Seems reasonable to me.
Also agree, the Oirish did actually win those games.

[Edinburgh in Exile]

When push comes to shove, coaches are going fall on the side of players they know. No Scottish representation in the coaching team (although it was offered), is probably the main reason there isn't more Scots in the squad.

Aye "offered" as in asking our national coach Townsend to be ROBERT HOWLEY's assistant? That was a clear insult in an of itself. It is as if Gatland has gone out of his way to destroy the Lions concept as far as Scottish rugby is concerned.

Aye, deliberate or not that rod for our back was subsequently used to beat us.

[Big D]

I feel sorry for any Scots that have coughed up a lot of dosh to go to NZ. Imagine spending a few weeks having to listen to all the chippy Welsh pricks.

Not many Scots on last few tours and all supporters I know who have been from up here loved every minute of the tour.

[Edinburgh in Exile]

I feel sorry for any Scots that have coughed up a lot of dosh to go to NZ. Imagine spending a few weeks having to listen to all the chippy Welsh pricks.

I agree with D. The tours are great. The Welsh traditionally make up the bulk of the traveling support, they are deadly. It's all too easy to confuse the Internet with what people are like. Some fat cunt, 40 year old man child posting with a "internet persona" isn't a fair reflection of anything.

[QwentyJ]

I feel sorry for any Scots that have coughed up a lot of dosh to go to NZ. Imagine spending a few weeks having to listen to all the chippy Welsh pricks.

I agree with D. The tours are great. The Welsh traditionally make up the bulk of the traveling support, they are deadly. It's all too easy to confuse the Internet with what people are like. Some fat cunt, 40 year old man child posting with a "internet persona" isn't a fair reflection of anything.

I was waiting for a "...but enough about me" at the end there.

As for the touring party:





Iain Henderson



Can someone explain that to me? I've tried using logic and I'm not getting anywhere.

[kk67]

Iain Henderson
Can someone explain that to me? I've tried using logic and I'm not getting anywhere.

On his day,....he is amazing. As is Kruis. But getting the nod over Launch and JG..?. Nah.