RugbyRebels

as we know, anyone can get hit with eejitis during this outbreak. hard on the heels of the scottish shenanigans.. ffs:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-52194407

f-xtra:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... m-52154327

cashead wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

cashead wrote: Literally anything would have been a better way to handle covid-19, but no, not with de Pfeffel. Can't be fuckin' havin' that.

I didn’t realise he was in charge of the responses in Italy, Spain and France, all of which are currently in a worse position than we are.

Feel free to point out where I was suggesting Johnson had anything to do with Italy, Spain or France's responses. Go on, I'll wait.

And hey, the UK government had the opportunity to front-foot it on their doorstep, and they sure as fuck failed to learn anything from watching the clusterfuck that was Italy.

Don't mind me, I'm just gonna sit back, and enjoy watching the curve flatten in my neck of the woods while I'm in quarantine.

You obviously didn’t, I was just making the comparison to make a point. You’re blaming the U.K. response on a single man when European leaders and countries of all hues have reacted in very similar ways. All of whom have scientific advisers on whose advice they will acting. Do you think Boris was sat in no.10 reading The Beginners Course on Managing Pandemics every night and then coming up with a plan by himself? If you think Boris, or de Pfellel as you so wittily called him, were solely to blame for the UK’s situation then you need to do more reading around the subject. The U.K., and Europe as a whole, have been unprepared but there are numerous reasons for that. A great deal of that is a legacy years in the making, further exacerbated how our unique societies work. That’s not to say we haven’t made serious mistakes but to blame it solely on one person is ridiculous.

Is there a reason why, on the one hand we all agree that the numbers being posted about infection and mortality are probably bullshit, and on the other hand we're using those self same numbers to run into judgements about how different countries have handled this?

How do we know South Korea's numbers are any more or less valid than China's or Italy's or ours?

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Mellsblue wrote:

cashead wrote:

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:So you now accept that many countries did better and mainly those of the Far East. Which is the reverse of your position as we came in. The lessons of SARS weren't locked away in a box. Every country had access to the information.

Literally anything would have been a better way to handle covid-19, but no, not with de Pfeffel. Can't be fuckin' havin' that.

I didn’t realise he was in charge of the responses in Italy, Spain and France, all of which are currently in a worse position than we are.

Sweden is interesting given it very loose controls yet low impact rate (although that might be changing). The term lockdown is a cover all for a variety of responses, some more stringiest than others. Germany has kept deaths low despite a good number of cases - but is that more a reflection of their increased testing picking up minor cases? I'd suggest that's probably the case. Equally, Germany's lockdown was approximately 2 months after the first case was confirmed, same as ours. Yet very different outcomes - possibly down to better intelligence of the virus spread and availability of ventilators.

Europe's situation (open borders, ageing population and lots of big international airports) made it a n ideal target for a virus that had a significant infection period).

Donny osmond wrote:Is there a reason why, on the one hand we all agree that the numbers being posted about infection and mortality are probably bullshit, and on the other hand we're using those self same numbers to run into judgements about how different countries have handled this?

How do we know South Korea's numbers are any more or less valid than China's or Italy's or ours?

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Most of these figures are bullshit. I think there is an obvious correlation between those countries with older populations and the higher number of deaths, but even looking at the UK figures, there's a lot of disparity.

Sandydragon wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

cashead wrote: Literally anything would have been a better way to handle covid-19, but no, not with de Pfeffel. Can't be fuckin' havin' that.

I didn’t realise he was in charge of the responses in Italy, Spain and France, all of which are currently in a worse position than we are.

Sweden is interesting given it very loose controls yet low impact rate (although that might be changing). The term lockdown is a cover all for a variety of responses, some more stringiest than others. Germany has kept deaths low despite a good number of cases - but is that more a reflection of their increased testing picking up minor cases? I'd suggest that's probably the case. Equally, Germany's lockdown was approximately 2 months after the first case was confirmed, same as ours. Yet very different outcomes - possibly down to better intelligence of the virus spread and availability of ventilators.

Europe's situation (open borders, ageing population and lots of big international airports) made it a n ideal target for a virus that had a significant infection period).

I’ve read a theory that whilst Italy have a relatively high proportion of numerous generations all living under one roof the Swedish have the highest proportion of single occupancy households, thus leading to a natural social distancing in Sweden whilst Italy’s homes have become hothouses.
If you believe the figures in the attached graph then Germany is tracking similarly to the U.K. but I’d assume the high numbers of tests will only play out in the long term and only if they use the data in the correct manner. Are the tests even any good? All the ones scrutinised in the U.K. have not been up to standard. There’s no point using £££ and manpower on substandard tests.

Time and a plethora of inquiries will be required to find out who did what, when, how and why.
Just looking at numbers on a graph and deciding who acted correctly without context or letting the whole thing play out isn’t the best way of dealing with this in either the short or long term.

As an example, I wonder if everyone who is praising the way China dealt with the crisis would accept the response of martial law, executions of dissenters and campaigns of disinformation from de Pfeffel’s govt. I somehow doubt it.

Donny osmond wrote:Ha! Suck it covid 19...

Also seen today a breathing technique that succeeds where modern medicine fails and completely helps get over coronavirus.

PLUS it's all rubbish anyway, as it's just a distraction before the main event in 3 weeks time

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/coron ... b7049b.jpg[/img]

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I love that the tagline in that Snopes article is just "Please stop."

Puja

Mellsblue wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: I didn’t realise he was in charge of the responses in Italy, Spain and France, all of which are currently in a worse position than we are.

Sweden is interesting given it very loose controls yet low impact rate (although that might be changing). The term lockdown is a cover all for a variety of responses, some more stringiest than others. Germany has kept deaths low despite a good number of cases - but is that more a reflection of their increased testing picking up minor cases? I'd suggest that's probably the case. Equally, Germany's lockdown was approximately 2 months after the first case was confirmed, same as ours. Yet very different outcomes - possibly down to better intelligence of the virus spread and availability of ventilators.

Europe's situation (open borders, ageing population and lots of big international airports) made it a n ideal target for a virus that had a significant infection period).

I’ve read a theory that whilst Italy have a relatively high proportion of numerous generations all living under one roof the Swedish have the highest proportion of single occupancy households, thus leading to a natural social distancing in Sweden whilst Italy’s homes have become hothouses.
If you believe the figures in the attached graph then Germany is tracking similarly to the U.K. but I’d assume the high numbers of tests will only play out in the long term and only if they use the data in the correct manner. Are the tests even any good? All the ones scrutinised in the U.K. have not been up to standard. There’s no point using £££ and manpower on substandard tests.

Time and a plethora of inquiries will be required to find out who did what, when, how and why.
Just looking at numbers on a graph and deciding who acted correctly without context or letting the whole thing play out isn’t the best way of dealing with this in either the short or long term.

As an example, I wonder if everyone who is praising the way China dealt with the crisis would accept the response of martial law, executions of dissenters and campaigns of disinformation from de Pfeffel’s govt. I somehow doubt it.

There is truth in that. Look at the number of people ignoring government direction today, even knowing the impact its having in Italy, Spain, New York and in this country. If we had locked down the country at the very beginning, we would have been enforcing it by martial law by now.

I do think the government has questions to answer on the number of ventilators and PPE available, particularly the latter, but any criticism of lockdown must be balanced against the other impacts and the enforcement of such a policy.

Puja wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:Ha! Suck it covid 19...

Also seen today a breathing technique that succeeds where modern medicine fails and completely helps get over coronavirus.

PLUS it's all rubbish anyway, as it's just a distraction before the main event in 3 weeks time

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/coron ... b7049b.jpg[/img]

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I love that the tagline in that Snopes article is just "Please stop."

Puja

The original piece had a longer tag line but the 5G masts that are spreading the virus edited the article to aide their dastardly plan.

Mellsblue wrote: The original piece had a longer tag line but the 5G masts that are spreading the virus edited the article to aide their dastardly plan.

A mate of mine, or in fairness to him someone I used to play rugby with, works on the communications network and he and his team (I think two others) had to stop some of their work over the weekend working on the 4G network when they came under attack from locals looking to prevent spread of the virus. I'd say not too serious attack but verbal insults and bottles and the like being thrown at/near them, and with no idea if it'd escalate they had to withdraw.

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: The original piece had a longer tag line but the 5G masts that are spreading the virus edited the article to aide their dastardly plan.

A mate of mine, or in fairness to him someone I used to play rugby with, works on the communications network and he and his team (I think two others) had to stop some of their work over the weekend working on the 4G network when they came under attack from locals looking to prevent spread of the virus. I'd say not too serious attack but verbal insults and bottles and the like being thrown at/near them, and with no idea if it'd escalate they had to withdraw.

You sure that wasn't about social distancing? There have been reports of Openreach engineers being attacked for breaking the 'essential work only' thing.

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: The original piece had a longer tag line but the 5G masts that are spreading the virus edited the article to aide their dastardly plan.

A mate of mine, or in fairness to him someone I used to play rugby with, works on the communications network and he and his team (I think two others) had to stop some of their work over the weekend working on the 4G network when they came under attack from locals looking to prevent spread of the virus. I'd say not too serious attack but verbal insults and bottles and the like being thrown at/near them, and with no idea if it'd escalate they had to withdraw.

You sure that wasn't about social distancing? There have been reports of Openreach engineers being attacked for breaking the 'essential work only' thing.

If keeping the internet up and running during this period of self-isolation isn’t essential work then I don’t know what is.

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:
A mate of mine, or in fairness to him someone I used to play rugby with, works on the communications network and he and his team (I think two others) had to stop some of their work over the weekend working on the 4G network when they came under attack from locals looking to prevent spread of the virus. I'd say not too serious attack but verbal insults and bottles and the like being thrown at/near them, and with no idea if it'd escalate they had to withdraw.

You sure that wasn't about social distancing? There have been reports of Openreach engineers being attacked for breaking the 'essential work only' thing.

If keeping the internet up and running during this period of self-isolation isn’t essential work then I don’t know what is.

Well quite. Another example of our glorious general public rising to the occasion.

Interestingly, Japan has just declared a state of emergency in a number of prefectures.

Mellsblue wrote: If keeping the internet up and running during this period of self-isolation isn’t essential work then I don’t know what is.

Quite right, if it was fault-fixing or essential maintenance.
However if it was part of an upgrade ( e.g 3G to 4G ) /roll-out, the public were probably right but needed to articulate themelves more civilly.

Council Tax bills are due to be paid from this month.
Given that..
- Alot of citizens, in certain areas, will have no dough or prospect of earnings for a while.
- Councils will need massive central support for CTB Relief, if carried forward.
- Many core Local Authority services are not 'appening by necessity, or greatly reduced in the Lockdown.

Just wondered if anyone knew what 'Plan A' was in this
area, for LA financial stability and Native restlessness control.

From what I’ve heard, anyone caught flouting they lockdown rules will be shot on sight and their estate will go to their local authority. Working name of Operation Two Birds One Stone.

Mellsblue wrote:From what I’ve heard, anyone caught flouting they lockdown rules will be shot on sight and their estate will go to their local authority. Working name of Operation Two Birds One Stone.

I suspect this to be implemented in Chechnya any day now.

In some areas there's rubbish piling on the streets daily - police may need to enforce the disperse/go home instruction more rigorously..

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote: You sure that wasn't about social distancing? There have been reports of Openreach engineers being attacked for breaking the 'essential work only' thing.

If keeping the internet up and running during this period of self-isolation isn’t essential work then I don’t know what is.

Well quite. Another example of our glorious general public rising to the occasion.

This was also part of the comms network used by the local hospital and I think from what I gleaned wider emergency services, but certainly the nearby hospital to the work they were attempting to do

And they're already fairly pissed off as workers that they either have to travel together in their work van with no PPE, or follow behind in their cars and not be able to reclaim fuel costs

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: If keeping the internet up and running during this period of self-isolation isn’t essential work then I don’t know what is.

Well quite. Another example of our glorious general public rising to the occasion.

This was also part of the comms network used by the local hospital and I think from what I gleaned wider emergency services, but certainly the nearby hospital to the work they were attempting to do

And they're already fairly pissed off as workers that they either have to travel together in their work van with no PPE, or follow behind in their cars and not be able to reclaim fuel costs

It it wasn't for the fact that it would have affected the hospital and other essential users, I might have been tempted to shut the hub down and watch the bastards suffer without netflix for a few days.

'Boris Johnson has had oxygen support but is not on a ventilator, No 10 has insisted, after he spent the night fighting coronavirus in intensive care.' (D.Tel.)
..nor non-invasive oxygen support reportedly.(.CPAP presumably.)
& does not have pneumonia (Gua.)

He appears lucky so far, based on the 65% needing sedation/intubation within 24 hr of ICU arrival.

The survival rate for those going onto ventilators I heard as around 50%, so even before a certain amount of privacy I can understand them wanting to control the story. Though on this as with a few other areas some more honesty/openness wouldn't go amiss. Then again it was just being noticed what some lunatic members of our society do with information

Galfon wrote:'Boris Johnson has had oxygen support but is not on a ventilator, No 10 has insisted, after he spent the night fighting coronavirus in intensive care.' (D.Tel.)
..nor non-invasive oxygen support reportedly.(.CPAP presumably.)
& does not have pneumonia (Gua.)

He appears lucky so far, based on the 65% needing sedation/intubation within 24 hr of ICU arrival.

Judging by the likely iil informed bollox I heard this morning, his O2 uptake was higher than it would normally be to warrant entry to ICU, however, they wanted access to a ventilator quickly in case he continued deteriorating. Fcking terrifying- I've been in intensive care once, but nothing like the conditions he'd be seeing.

Galfon wrote:'Boris Johnson has had oxygen support but is not on a ventilator, No 10 has insisted, after he spent the night fighting coronavirus in intensive care.' (D.Tel.)
..nor non-invasive oxygen support reportedly.(.CPAP presumably.)
& does not have pneumonia (Gua.)

He appears lucky so far, based on the 65% needing sedation/intubation within 24 hr of ICU arrival.

Probably got caught a bit earlier than the average in terms of medical assessment.