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morepork wrote:How fucking hard would you king hit Kushner if you had an opening? His stupid sneery dead-eyed prison toy face does make me angry.

I'd have a genuine concern that my fist would just sink in, like punching gelatin and it wouldn't be released by the amorphous demon that's pretending (quite poorly) to be a human being.

Puja

Digby wrote:Some of the potential Republican voters, we'd be doing an awful lot of them a disservice not accepting huge numbers of them will vote for Biden as they're disgusted by what's happening around Trump and to their party

I've seen quite a few Tweets about lifelong GOP voters saying they'll be voting for Biden come the election. I wonder how much is just lip-service though. No doubt a few are decent folk with genuine concerns, but traditional GOP voters are getting what they want with Trump, and the more bat-shit crazy ones are over the moon that the POTUS pushes qanon bollocks.

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Digby wrote:Some of the potential Republican voters, we'd be doing an awful lot of them a disservice not accepting huge numbers of them will vote for Biden as they're disgusted by what's happening around Trump and to their party

I've seen quite a few Tweets about lifelong GOP voters saying they'll be voting for Biden come the election. I wonder how much is just lip-service though. No doubt a few are decent folk with genuine concerns, but traditional GOP voters are getting what they want with Trump, and the more bat-shit crazy ones are over the moon that the POTUS pushes qanon bollocks.

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If you're a social and fiscal conservative you're getting little to nothing from Trump, they wouldn't have wanted the Tea Party, they sure as shit wouldn't want what they have now. And traditionally the GOP was for conservatives, there's nothing especially traditional about the lurch to the right that started back under Reagan

Digby wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:

Digby wrote:Some of the potential Republican voters, we'd be doing an awful lot of them a disservice not accepting huge numbers of them will vote for Biden as they're disgusted by what's happening around Trump and to their party

I've seen quite a few Tweets about lifelong GOP voters saying they'll be voting for Biden come the election. I wonder how much is just lip-service though. No doubt a few are decent folk with genuine concerns, but traditional GOP voters are getting what they want with Trump, and the more bat-shit crazy ones are over the moon that the POTUS pushes qanon bollocks.

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If you're a social and fiscal conservative you're getting little to nothing from Trump, they wouldn't have wanted the Tea Party, they sure as shit wouldn't want what they have now. And traditionally the GOP was for conservatives, there's nothing especially traditional about the lurch to the right that started back under Reagan

Be interesting to get MP or Coco's feedback on this as I think quite a few Trump voters are probably happy with things...even if some may not admit to it

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Digby wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:I've seen quite a few Tweets about lifelong GOP voters saying they'll be voting for Biden come the election. I wonder how much is just lip-service though. No doubt a few are decent folk with genuine concerns, but traditional GOP voters are getting what they want with Trump, and the more bat-shit crazy ones are over the moon that the POTUS pushes qanon bollocks.

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If you're a social and fiscal conservative you're getting little to nothing from Trump, they wouldn't have wanted the Tea Party, they sure as shit wouldn't want what they have now. And traditionally the GOP was for conservatives, there's nothing especially traditional about the lurch to the right that started back under Reagan

Be interesting to get MP or Coco's feedback on this as I think quite a few Trump voters are probably happy with things...even if some may not admit to it

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That's another group again, those who will cite the achievements of Trump when it comes to the economy (albeit that often requires one ignore reality and/or be thick as shit), or when it comes to pro life positions, appointing conservative judges, being strong on NATO and the WHO, and then rank all that ahead of Trump's character, justifying a vote for him based on what he does rather than what he says. Like the Dems it's hardly one amorphous mass who all think the same.

Those who will not admit to being likely Trump voters can be a problem when it comes to polling, but you can correct for that. As well as asking who an individual will vote for, and many people will not admit they're going to vote Trump for fear of being judged deplorable, you can ask who they're family and/or friends are likely to vote for and if they then say Trump your model can account for the idea that who a person's social circle votes for is a big indicator of who they will vote for even if they don't want to admit it. It's basically pollsters granting permission structures for people to say what they're really going to do. So in theory, and they did cock up the polling models in 2016, those saying they're not going to vote Trump but actually doing just that shouldn't swing the outcome being predicted too much, though what's being predicted I still think will shift/narrow

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Digby wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:I've seen quite a few Tweets about lifelong GOP voters saying they'll be voting for Biden come the election. I wonder how much is just lip-service though. No doubt a few are decent folk with genuine concerns, but traditional GOP voters are getting what they want with Trump, and the more bat-shit crazy ones are over the moon that the POTUS pushes qanon bollocks.

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If you're a social and fiscal conservative you're getting little to nothing from Trump, they wouldn't have wanted the Tea Party, they sure as shit wouldn't want what they have now. And traditionally the GOP was for conservatives, there's nothing especially traditional about the lurch to the right that started back under Reagan

Be interesting to get MP or Coco's feedback on this as I think quite a few Trump voters are probably happy with things...even if some may not admit to it

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The supporters breathing the rarefied air of perpetual wealth are insulated from the rank and file and want to keep it that way. Those inhaling the fumes emanating from the sewerage trickling down are high on the jenkem from above. Public health and sustainable economic policy benefiting all are not as intoxicating. Yet. The only thing cutting through the fog is social activism, as has always been the way in this country, and the beneficiaries of this publicly funded outhouse of a situation are far fewer than those being actively shit on.

Polls are beginning to narrow a bit. The media here are making a lot out of the law and order issue and how that might help Trump. I suspect there will be many finger nails being chewed between now and November.

If Biden wins we would get less of this

Digby wrote:If Biden wins we would get less of this

Fucking hell.

Not a fan of soup then [emoji23]

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Digby wrote:If Biden wins we would get less of this

Fucking hell.

Not a fan of soup then [emoji23]

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I would like to know why he thinks bags of soup are so dangerous. On the face of it bags of soup are a threat to clean clothes if being flung, but after that?

I can't say I like that whole backdrop mind, the idea of the police force politically supporting a particular party seems to me to be missing a large part of the point of the police. But if he is going to speak in front of a napo endorsement I hope all his speeches are like this. I'll give him this, whatever I might have expected him to complain about it wouldn't have been soup, or that bricks are impossible to throw.

He seems genuinely flabbergasted at the soup throwing....like its the worst thing he's ever heard of

What a kunt

Digby wrote:I would like to know why he thinks bags of soup are so dangerous. On the face of it bags of soup are a threat to clean clothes if being flung, but after that?

In fairness to the dotty old prick, I suspect he's trying to paint a picture of a vicious Antifa lieutenant supplying bags of tins of soup to the front-line protestors, rather than just a bag full of cream of tomato. And he isn't wrong that tins make good missiles. He's just missing the entire point that there might be some kind of motivation for the tin-hurling - I think he believes people are doing it just for the joy of soup tossing.

Puja

He has gone full support of cops, no matter what they do, and justifies it with baseless conspiracy and outright lies. He is setting up that specky wee assault rifle-wielding cunt as a hero and this bumbling professional foul will just make everything worse. Not a single statement in support of minority communities directly affected by police behavior. Not a single one.

Whoever is behind the scenes pushing his buttons, and I suspect it is Stephen Miller at the behest of corporate dinosaurs, needs to be got to and shut down. Trump is the worst negotiator in the whole world and has the attention span of a 5 year old snorting icing sugar. His is the stupid fat face of something far more organised than him.

morepork wrote:He has gone full support of cops, no matter what they do, and justifies it with baseless conspiracy and outright lies. He is setting up that specky wee assault rifle-wielding cunt as a hero and this bumbling professional foul will just make everything worse. Not a single statement in support of minority communities directly affected by police behavior. Not a single one.

I want the specky wee cunt's trial sooner rather than later. Discovery today released that his first victim was shot several times in the back, rather puncturing any profession of self-defence that his lawyers were aiming for. I suspect the next tack for his lawyers might be to claim diminished responsibility because of being egged on and given validation by people like Trump to go "defend this country from Antifa". Which would be interesting.

Puja

I can see how tins of soup can be dangerous, albeit it rather less so than automatic weapons issued to supposed law enforcement. It's the bags of soup I'm wondering about, surely to be dangerous it'd have to weigh so much you'd need a trebuchet to move it in dangerous fashion.

"You take one step closer and I will fling this bag of freeze-dried minestrone at that helpless old white women over there."

To a list of euphemisms that contains choking the chicken, waxing the pole and slamming the salami I have now added tossing the soup. God bless America.

Digby wrote:I can see how tins of soup can be dangerous, albeit it rather less so than automatic weapons issued to supposed law enforcement. It's the bags of soup I'm wondering about, surely to be dangerous it'd have to weigh so much you'd need a trebuchet to move it in dangerous fashion.

Bags of tins of soup. He thinks there are people with bags full of tins that are going round handing them out to protestors.

It's still mental, just in a different way.

Puja

I certainly wouldn't rule out anyone having thrown tins of soup at people.

Though there was that moment last week where people were suggesting a Molotov was thrown at the shooter, thus justifying his actions, but it turned out to be a plastic bag.

Mikey Brown wrote:I certainly wouldn't rule out anyone having thrown tins of soup at people.

Though there was that moment last week where people were suggesting a Molotov was thrown at the shooter, thus justifying his actions, but it turned out to be a plastic bag.

It's not the soup throwing that's mental, it's the fact that he's bought fully into the idea that it's organised and directed by some shadowy organisation. He's one step away from saying Soros paid for the soup.

And this has probably spiralled out from one Fox News programme that mentioned that a tin of soup was thrown at a police officer behind a riot shield.

Puja

Donnell would catch the tin with his air accordion hands and stare down the agitators standing tall in his high heels and wearing his practiced tough guy Mussolini face. Every woman 10 rows back into the mob would immediately become pregnant. The Department of Justice would then be compelled to generate hundreds of NDAs and assurances that the checks are in the mail.

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This is far from news, but it's odd that he just came out and said it. I presume there's some context to all this, but it seems kind of dim even by his standards.

Everyone will be very surprised he watches a lot of TV and thinks not going into detail isn't an issue