Trump

[paddy no 11]

He said BLM want th reverse of now at one point should have pinned him there to say what now is i.e. white people in power and fucking black people over

[morepork]

Jesus Titty Fucking Christ. What a joke. Two bickering old cunts. This country is so terrified of women and coloured people that this is the choice we get???

Sorry team Ewe Ess A, but you are fucked. Build your life around gunz and faux christian outrage and watch the whole house of cards come down, you fucking dildos.

[WaspInWales]

After watching the entire debate, Biden wasn't as bad as I thought he'd be, but he wasn't great tbh.

He had the occasional verbal stumble, but he just isn't sharp enough for debating at this level, let alone against someone that just lies constantly.

Harris would've destroyed Trump on that showing.

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[Digby]

Biden was bad. But I don't see how you stop Trump if he's just going to rant like meth fuelled moron. I'm also not sure why Trump thinks going on stage full of something is going to help him get the vote of anyone who's not already a nailed on Trump voter, but I'm sure the something he was full of made him feel good.

[Mikey Brown]

What do you mean? He gets to go on TV and be the centre of attention. Fame and attention are literally the entire point of being President. Arguing policy and making coherent arguments are just boring side-notes.

[WaspInWales]

Biden was bad. But I don't see how you stop Trump if he's just going to rant like meth fuelled moron. I'm also not sure why Trump thinks going on stage full of something is going to help him get the vote of anyone who's not already a nailed on Trump voter, but I'm sure the something he was full of made him feel good.

He just needs to be sharper and quicker to counter. I like how Biden dealt with Trump's accusations on Hunter regarding his drug usage and rehab, but he could've really gone to town on Trump's sources of 'information'...the literal fake news on social media, Fox and Brietbart.

He could've also laid into the Trump family a lot more. It would've been the perfect response to Trump attacking going after Hunter.

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[morepork]

You mean something like, "did you fuck your daughter today, you sweaty fat womble's pizzle"?

[WaspInWales]

You mean something like, "did you fuck your daughter today, you sweaty fat womble's pizzle"?

I'd definitely lead with that, then go for the big guns.

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[Digby]

Biden was right not to go after Trump's family, well not much. It'd be the entirely wrong tone to set, and likely wouldn't help much anyway.

[Son of Mathonwy]

The gobshite got away with his incessant interruptions. Biden was competent if not exactly a star performer (is this really the best the Democrats can come up with?). I think Biden was at his best when he just laughed at Trump. He should have done more of that, it was all Trump's points deserved.

I figure this will change no one's mind.

[paddy no 11]

When will the courts actually release his tax info? Presuming they decide to go with that option

[WaspInWales]

When will the courts actually release his tax info? Presuming they decide to go with that option

If the NYT story the other day was true, any day between now and the morning after the final debate would be ideal [emoji106]

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[paddy no 11]

Hed even lose a share of his base if it's as bad as 750 dollars as claimed

[morepork]

Imagine trying to brief the petulant cunt on anything of substance? He literally has nothing but childish insults, bullshit, and a soft spot for white grievance in his tool box.

[Stom]

Surely the only thing you can use against Trump is his slagging off vets. If I were Biden, I'd be using every opportunity to repeat those phrases, to hammer home the fact that Trump is someone who doesn't truly support the military.

[WaspInWales]

Surely the only thing you can use against Trump is his slagging off vets. If I were Biden, I'd be using every opportunity to repeat those phrases, to hammer home the fact that Trump is someone who doesn't truly support the military.

The only thing? To sway Trump supporters maybe.

Probing the reliability of Trump's many claims is likely to have an effect on the undecided voters. So much of what Trump spouts is just plain bullshit. He needs to be called out on it and told to provide sources. When all he has to hand is Fox, Twitter and Breitbart, the more reasonable swing voters could be swung away from him.

I'm amazed Biden didn't mention the medical deferments Trump had to avoid service. That alone must gall many veterans and their families.

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[WaspInWales]

Biden was right not to go after Trump's family, well not much. It'd be the entirely wrong tone to set, and likely wouldn't help much anyway.

Disagree.

Hunter's actions may be questionable but ultimately no evidence of wrongdoing was found. The drugs accusation was just a cheap shot by Trump (massively cheap considering Trump lost his own brother to addiction) and one countered by Biden that his son has overcome it. This would tick some boxes for many people and families right now with the opioid crisis. Plus the claim Hunter was DD from the Navy was incorrect.

Biden should be going after links to Trump and his kids to Russia, tax fraud and failed businesses. The more Trump denies it, the deeper he digs if the NYT story is accurate and I reckon it probably is.

This story alone could swing the election imo.

Trump's base support won't give a shit, but many others will be massively pissed off.

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[Stom]

Surely the only thing you can use against Trump is his slagging off vets. If I were Biden, I'd be using every opportunity to repeat those phrases, to hammer home the fact that Trump is someone who doesn't truly support the military.

The only thing? To sway Trump supporters maybe.

Probing the reliability of Trump's many claims is likely to have an effect on the undecided voters. So much of what Trump spouts is just plain bullshit. He needs to be called out on it and told to provide sources. When all he has to hand is Fox, Twitter and Breitbart, the more reasonable swing voters could be swung away from him.

I'm amazed Biden didn't mention the medical deferments Trump had to avoid service. That alone must gall many veterans and their families.

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Biden also has medical deferments, just like Trump, there’s nothing to be gained there.

Turning off a core part of Trumps vote could be key, even if they don’t vote for you. Getting the vets away from trump could be a big clincher.

I don’t think going after his falsehoods well really work that well, tbh.

[Digby]

Biden was right not to go after Trump's family, well not much. It'd be the entirely wrong tone to set, and likely wouldn't help much anyway.

Disagree.

Hunter's actions may be questionable but ultimately no evidence of wrongdoing was found. The drugs accusation was just a cheap shot by Trump (massively cheap considering Trump lost his own brother to addiction) and one countered by Biden that his son has overcome it. This would tick some boxes for many people and families right now with the opioid crisis. Plus the claim Hunter was DD from the Navy was incorrect.

Biden should be going after links to Trump and his kids to Russia, tax fraud and failed businesses. The more Trump denies it, the deeper he digs if the NYT story is accurate and I reckon it probably is.

This story alone could swing the election imo.

Trump's base support won't give a shit, but many others will be massively pissed off.

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There are too many things about Trump to jump up and down about them all, and trying to would almost certainly resonate far less than being the sort of person to attack a family and a candidate's children. Biden doesn't control narrative, if he tries to go for the kids the story would almost certainly be he went for the kids, not any substance therein

Biden did react to his own family being attacked and beyond that he either stoops to Trump's level or has to take it

[Puja]

Biden was right not to go after Trump's family, well not much. It'd be the entirely wrong tone to set, and likely wouldn't help much anyway.

Disagree.

Hunter's actions may be questionable but ultimately no evidence of wrongdoing was found. The drugs accusation was just a cheap shot by Trump (massively cheap considering Trump lost his own brother to addiction) and one countered by Biden that his son has overcome it. This would tick some boxes for many people and families right now with the opioid crisis. Plus the claim Hunter was DD from the Navy was incorrect.

Biden should be going after links to Trump and his kids to Russia, tax fraud and failed businesses. The more Trump denies it, the deeper he digs if the NYT story is accurate and I reckon it probably is.

This story alone could swing the election imo.

Trump's base support won't give a shit, but many others will be massively pissed off.

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There are too many things about Trump to jump up and down about them all, and trying to would almost certainly resonate far less than being the sort of person to attack a family and a candidate's children. Biden doesn't control narrative, if he tries to go for the kids the story would almost certainly be he went for the kids, not any substance therein

Biden did react to his own family being attacked and beyond that he either stoops to Trump's level or has to take it

Agreed. Biden's one selling point is being Not!Trump and bringing dignity and civility back to American politics. Attacking Trump's kids and nepotism would make Trump's base say, "He's just being smart, like any of us would be. Besides, if I were him, I'd bang hire Ivanka too," and make people that Biden's trying to reach turn off with, "I guess they're both the same."

Puja

[Digby]

This is the sort of thing you get to run against as a Democrat. And it's not a parody ad, this is a genuine thing being run merely for a spot as a US Senator.




And really, which of us can't get on board with the subtle nod to Putin about killing journalists? But they're not running the ad because they think it'll fail

[Galfon]

He's confident of getting through this, with Mrs. T.
Unfortunate timing for him.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

[Digby]

I laughed

[Puja]

So, has he:

a) actually genuinely got the coronavirus and in severe danger for his life?

b) claiming he's got coronavirus to try and get a sympathy bounce?

or c) taking the Bolsonaro route of claiming to have coronavirus so that he can claim he recovered from it in under a week like the superhero he is while simultaneously brushing it off as no worse than a mild flu and thus the Libs have been totally overreacting?

Mixture of b and c to my mind.

Puja

[Which Tyler]

with an element of d) Doesn't want to take part in a debate where his microphone might be switched off, but can't admit as much.