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[Digby]

This info, him and Melanie testing positive, is going to be known outside his little group, still more so if he goes into hospital. And it'd be a lunatic risk to be caught out lying about this

And I get the benefit of pulling through and being the strongman, I'm only wondering with a sense of mockery what those who denied this is even a thing are making of Trump being ill with something that's a hoax

All logical but on the other hand the hoax would only need to last a month and they are pretty desperate. Hospitalisation makes it less likely to be a hoax in my opinion but I still can’t completely discount it.

His own (former?) doctor, Ronny Jackson, has already advised the world the president is asymptotic [sic] and has no comorbities [sic]

This isn't a group likely to keep a secret, nor is this a group likely not to have someone leave by Wednesday to pen a tell all book. And I really don't see how the hospital keep quiet keeping all those resources being tied up for a scam

[Which Tyler]

All logical but on the other hand the hoax would only need to last a month and they are pretty desperate. Hospitalisation makes it less likely to be a hoax in my opinion but I still can’t completely discount it.

If I had to guess - I'd say he is mildly symptomattic, and has gone into full-on panic mode.
Let's face it, we all know he's an abject coward and germophobe - all the bluster is just bluff.

[Guest]

[quote="Digby"][quote="Sandydragon"][quote="Digby"]This info, him and Melanie testing positive, is going to be known outside his little group, still more so if he goes into hospital. And it'd be a lunatic risk to be caught out lying about this

And I get the benefit of pulling through and being the strongman, I'm only wondering with a sense of mockery what those who denied this is even a thing are making of Trump being ill with something that's a hoax[/quote]
All logical but on the other hand the hoax would only need to last a month and they are pretty desperate. Hospitalisation makes it less likely to be a hoax in my opinion but I still can’t completely discount it.[/quote]

His own (former?) doctor, Ronny Jackson, has already advised the world the president is asymptotic [sic] and has no comorbities [sic]

This isn't a group likely to keep a secret, nor is this a group likely not to have someone leave by Wednesday to pen a tell all book. And I really don't see how the hospital keep quiet keeping all those resources being tied up for a scam[/quote]I'm not a qanon fan and don't buy into crackpot conspiracy theories which have equal amounts of credibility and evidence, which is none, but when it comes to politics, I'm very dubious.

Here we have Trump struggling in the polls with a month to go until the election. He made a complete tit out of himself in the debate...no matter how many times he tries to convince the world he win easily, he and those around him know that wasn't the case. Then there's the tax returns, covid-19 handling....the list of negative news on Trump goes on. Again, his core support won't care regardless, but there's an awful lot of votes to win or lose still.

As stories go, the narrative for this one will be very easy to manage tbh. Surrounded by his own medical team, with other people in the hospital either completely restricted to access and/or made to sign confidentiality agreements. The news coming out can be entirely orchestrated.

This is Trump ffs. His whole life is a lie. His media team make the late Kim Jong-il's team look open and honest...and Trump doesn't cheat at golf either apparently [emoji16]

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[WaspInWales]

This info, him and Melanie testing positive, is going to be known outside his little group, still more so if he goes into hospital. And it'd be a lunatic risk to be caught out lying about this

And I get the benefit of pulling through and being the strongman, I'm only wondering with a sense of mockery what those who denied this is even a thing are making of Trump being ill with something that's a hoax

All logical but on the other hand the hoax would only need to last a month and they are pretty desperate. Hospitalisation makes it less likely to be a hoax in my opinion but I still can’t completely discount it.

His own (former?) doctor, Ronny Jackson, has already advised the world the president is asymptotic [sic] and has no comorbities [sic]

This isn't a group likely to keep a secret, nor is this a group likely not to have someone leave by Wednesday to pen a tell all book. And I really don't see how the hospital keep quiet keeping all those resources being tied up for a scam

I'm not a qanon fan and don't buy into crackpot conspiracy theories which have equal amounts of credibility and evidence, which is none, but when it comes to politics, I'm very dubious.

Here we have Trump struggling in the polls with a month to go until the election. He made a complete tit out of himself in the debate...no matter how many times he tries to convince the world he won hands down, he and those around him know that wasn't the case. Then there's the tax returns, covid-19 handling....the list of negative news on Trump goes on. Again, his core support won't care regardless, but there's an awful lot of votes to win or lose still.

As stories go, the narrative for this one will be very easy to manage tbh. Surrounded by his own medical team, with other people in the hospital either completely restricted to access and/or made to sign confidentiality agreements. The news coming out can be entirely orchestrated.

This is Trump ffs. His whole life is a lie. His media team make the late Kim Jong-il's team look open and honest...and Trump doesn't cheat at golf either apparently [emoji16]

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[Digby]

He's at Walter Reed Hospital. If we're not going to trust statements from an institution like Walter Reed you'd be very close to if not outright believing there is a Deep State, but it works for Trump not against him.

Maybe Trump is going all in on an insane strategy, but this wouldn't be heading to Vegas on putting everything on black (well red if you're Trump), it'd be putting everything on Black 29 and if you won putting everything on Black 29 again. The chance this works out if it's a lie is imo astonishingly small, not just works out in terms of Trump getting a big boost to his potential haul of voters, but avoids landing in a giant pile of dung as it inevitably leaked

[Galfon]

Reports are that he's not on oxygen, but he's getting the full range of antiviral treatments incl. Remdesivir, plus things such as zinc, vit.D, melatonin, aspirin and anti-acid thrown in for good measure.
Shake, rattle & roll.

[WaspInWales]

He's at Walter Reed Hospital. If we're not going to trust statements from an institution like Walter Reed you'd be very close to if not outright believing there is a Deep State, but it works for Trump not against him.

Maybe Trump is going all in on an insane strategy, but this wouldn't be heading to Vegas on putting everything on black (well red if you're Trump), it'd be putting everything on Black 29 and if you won putting everything on Black 29 again. The chance this works out if it's a lie is imo astonishingly small, not just works out in terms of Trump getting a big boost to his potential haul of voters, but avoids landing in a giant pile of dung as it inevitably leaked

Oh aye, it's not like Walter Reed has ever been involved with covering anything up is it?

Besides, most of the information released so far is from the WH.

I can't quite see the link in being dubious of believing information from the Trump administration to being the same as believing there's a deep state?

As for the inevitable leak, who from? Breaching a confidentiality agreement as well as any laws regarding national security is likely to result in very messy and costly legal proceedings and probable prison time. Plus the WH can just deny it like they do with all the other 'fake news'.

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[Digby]

Many of Trump's lies are obvious and easy to fact check. Which is more than little different to pulling off a large conspiracy which entails a huge number of people with reporting lines and responsibilities outside Trump's direct personal/political interests. Anyone should be happy to agree Trump lies, but on this I'd prefer to see some evidence he's lying rather than being asked to prove a negative that it's not a continuation of his bullshit

[paddy no 11]

Definitely think the fucker has it, bound to given prevalence in usa and his and teams attitude

The scandal here is that people far more deserving of compassionate treatment won't get and if it was available wouldn't be able to pay for it

This waste of blood and organs gets it though

[Digby]

Any news on whether the demon sperm doctor has been in to visit Trump? If he's not going to chug down the bleach he might as well try something

[Son of Mathonwy]

He's at Walter Reed Hospital. If we're not going to trust statements from an institution like Walter Reed you'd be very close to if not outright believing there is a Deep State, but it works for Trump not against him.

Maybe Trump is going all in on an insane strategy, but this wouldn't be heading to Vegas on putting everything on black (well red if you're Trump), it'd be putting everything on Black 29 and if you won putting everything on Black 29 again. The chance this works out if it's a lie is imo astonishingly small, not just works out in terms of Trump getting a big boost to his potential haul of voters, but avoids landing in a giant pile of dung as it inevitably leaked

I don't think it's quite as risky as that, but it's definitely high risk/low reward. However - given the other options available to him - perhaps this is a reasonable strategy - at least there is a possibility of some reward from the sympathetic/patriotic angle (after all, I think some people were sympatheic to that cunt Boris, so anything's possible). And if someone leaks the truth they deny it, fake news.

Having said this, I think it's more likely true than not. I think Trump would prefer to appear physically strong than to chase the sympathy vote*.


*not that bullshitting about his health is beneath him, like when there's a draft to avoid .

[WaspInWales]

Definitely think the fucker has it, bound to given prevalence in usa and his and teams attitude

The scandal here is that people far more deserving of compassionate treatment won't get and if it was available wouldn't be able to pay for it

This waste of blood and organs gets it though

Don't get me wrong, I think he likely has COVID-19, but I just think the situation is being manipulated by him being hospitalised.

Same with Boris. He looked a little ropey but then came the intensive care move, claims if things being 50/50 and the NHS saving his life without any intervention.

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[Digby]

Why wouldn't they try to manipulate the story now that he's gone into hospital? The Dems are going to go big on not making personal attacks but accidentally reminding everyone Biden has been more stronger on Covid going back months.

I suspect Trump does have it even more with the doctors from the hospital saying he's not on oxygen, because that's not quite the same as he's never been on oxygen since being admitted, it's specific to the point in time the doctor made that statement only. Maybe it's just lazy phrasing, but it's also typical of a positive political update which is actually a negative

[Galfon]

There is still enough confusion issuing forth to indicate it could be either or neither, but definitely not both.


"But the doctors' assessment was contradicted by a person familiar with the president's condition who said some of his vital signs over the last 24 hours were "very concerning" and that the next 48 hours would be critical. The source said "we're still not on a clear path to a full recovery".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54402127

[Which Tyler]

So Conley (the WH quack) says that we're 72 hours post-diagnosis, and says that 36 hours after the diagnosis was announced, but less than 72 hours after the presidential debate.
Was this a mis-speak? Confusion with Hicks? 36 hours post-test but 72 hours post first symptom?

I still don't have time for conspiracy theories, but the latest is that he tested positive / exhibited mild symptoms ahead of the debate (and the rose garden fund-raiser come unveiling?), but refused to "look weak". Which is why he turned up late and wasn't tested before the event as previously agreed. So he went into a shouting match in an enclosed space, with virtually no-one wearing a mask, whilst knowingly shedding virus.



Oh, and that monoclonal antibody treatment they're trialling on him sounds nasty - and high dose.
This guy is seriously sick.

[Which Tyler]

Latest I'm hearing is that doctors are worried that he's now in a hypocritical condition

[Mikey Brown]

It does actually sound like he might be pretty fucked.

[WaspInWales]

Bollocks.

He needs to die to convince me it's that bad.

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[WaspInWales]

And if he does die, I'll wait for at least 3 days until I admit I was wrong.

Jesus rose after 3 days, so I could easily imagine Trump faking his death and rising after 1 day as he's better than Jebus [emoji16]

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[Digby]

I'd be disappointed if he dies, I'd much prefer he lives to be humiliated in the election and then serves many, many years in jail. But I'd get over it.

[Puja]

I'd be disappointed if he dies, I'd much prefer he lives to be humiliated in the election and then serves many, many years in jail. But I'd get over it.

Agreed. I'd actually find it quite disappointing if he died before getting thumped in the election - I want to see the look on his face when he has utterly and unreservedly lost.

Wouldn't mind him being significantly weakened by the disease so that he doesn't have the energy to raise a coup, mind.

Puja

[WaspInWales]

I'd be disappointed if he dies, I'd much prefer he lives to be humiliated in the election and then serves many, many years in jail. But I'd get over it.

Agreed. I'd actually find it quite disappointing if he died before getting thumped in the election - I want to see the look on his face when he has utterly and unreservedly lost.

Wouldn't mind him being significantly weakened by the disease so that he doesn't have the energy to raise a coup, mind.

Puja

You see him getting comprehensively beaten?

I mean, I hope you're right but I can still picture him winning.

I'm hoping the NYT story about his tax returns is spot on and evidence is released in the coming days to support it as that will piss off quite a few voters...especially after Trump insisted he paid millions in taxes instead of $750.

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[Puja]

I'd be disappointed if he dies, I'd much prefer he lives to be humiliated in the election and then serves many, many years in jail. But I'd get over it.

Agreed. I'd actually find it quite disappointing if he died before getting thumped in the election - I want to see the look on his face when he has utterly and unreservedly lost.

Wouldn't mind him being significantly weakened by the disease so that he doesn't have the energy to raise a coup, mind.

Puja

You see him getting comprehensively beaten?

I mean, I hope you're right but I can still picture him winning.

I'm hoping the NYT story about his tax returns is spot on and evidence is released in the coming days to support it as that will piss off quite a few voters...especially after Trump insisted he paid millions in taxes instead of $750.

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I put a reasonable amount of faith in fivethirtyeight's analysis of the polls and they have it as Biden wins the election 80 times in 100, with there being a relatively decent chance of getting a caning.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/20 ... -forecast/

I'm still terrified that he'll turn it around, but I'm hopeful that the odds are not in his favour.

Puja

Puja

[WaspInWales]

Agreed. I'd actually find it quite disappointing if he died before getting thumped in the election - I want to see the look on his face when he has utterly and unreservedly lost.

Wouldn't mind him being significantly weakened by the disease so that he doesn't have the energy to raise a coup, mind.

Puja

You see him getting comprehensively beaten?

I mean, I hope you're right but I can still picture him winning.

I'm hoping the NYT story about his tax returns is spot on and evidence is released in the coming days to support it as that will piss off quite a few voters...especially after Trump insisted he paid millions in taxes instead of $750.

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I put a reasonable amount of faith in fivethirtyeight's analysis of the polls and they have it as Biden wins the election 80 times in 100, with there being a relatively decent chance of getting a caning.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/20 ... -forecast/

I'm still terrified that he'll turn it around, but I'm hopeful that the odds are not in his favour.

Puja

Puja

Most polls had him getting his arse handed to him last time round...

Presently, in terms of world political news, nothing would make me happier than the sight of Trump being escorted from the White House next month but I'm not gonna start counting chickens just yet.

Edit: interesting link though! Have seen some of their forecasts on Twitter but haven't visited their site. Some interesting metrics. Ta Puja

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[WaspInWales]

Latest I'm hearing is that doctors are worried that he's now in a hypocritical condition

How did I miss this?

Take a bow WT [emoji106][emoji108][emoji23]

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