Anti-Russian rhetoric

[rowan]

That's not my logic. What I actually wrote regarding the situation over here is that if you're not able to read the local press and converse with the locals in the native language, you're not likely to have the same degree of insight as the locals and shouldn't presume to lecture them. As it happens, I do read the British press in the English language (albeit mostly out of morbid curiosity) and I do converse with British people every day through my work.

As for Viktoria Skripal, I would imagine she is in regular contact with the hospitalized Skripals, and that you yourself are probably not.

[morepork]

I'm sure you know more about the case than she does, Sandy. [emoji38]

By your logic, I know more about the case. I live 40 mins from Salisbury which gives me ultimate authority over anyone who doesn't live in the region.

Apparently not....


Would you like garlic bread with your nerve agent?

[WaspInWales]

There's me thinking the dose was delivered by an Amazon drone...direct to the door.

[kk67]

There's me thinking the dose was delivered by an Amazon drone...direct to the door.

....and the share price plunges. Nice work on the 'ideas'.....

[Stones of granite]

https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/S_s ... 018_e_.pdf

Some excerpts

The team was able to collect blood samples from the three affected individuals under
full chain of custody for delivery to the OPCW Laboratory and subsequent analysis
by OPCW designated laboratories, and conducted identification of the three
individuals against official photo-ID documents.

The team requested and received splits of samples taken by British authorities for
delivery to the OPCW Laboratory in Rijswijk, the Netherlands, and subsequent
analysis by OPCW designated laboratories. This was done for comparative purposes
and to verify the analysis of the United Kingdom.

The results of analysis by the OPCW designated laboratories of environmental and
biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirm the findings of the United
Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical that was used in Salisbury and
severely injured three people.

The TAV team notes that the toxic chemical was of high purity. The latter is
concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities.

[Stones of granite]

It looks like Sergei Lavrov is going to have to go back to his Dept for Maskirovka, and get them to brush up on their fairy tales.

https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/ ... g01_e_.pdf

The Labs were able to confirm the identity of the chemical by applying existing, well-established procedures. There was no other chemical that was identified by the Labs. The precursor of BZ that is referred to in the public statements, commonly known as 3Q, was contained in the control sample prepared by the OPCW Lab in accordance with the existing quality control procedures. Otherwise it has nothing to do with the samples collected by the OPCW Team in Salisbury. This chemical was reported back to the OPCW by the two designated labs and the findings are duly reflected in the report.

[Digby]

Will Russia step up to the plate to protect those much maligned generals in Myanmar in the coming weeks?

[kk67]

Will Russia step up to the plate to protect those much maligned generals in Myanmar in the coming weeks?

Are you suggesting that our perceived enemies should fight for human rights offences that we are encouraging..?.

[rowan]

Will Russia step up to the plate to protect those much maligned generals in Myanmar in the coming weeks?

Are you suggesting that our perceived enemies should fight for human rights offences that we are encouraging..?.

It was a strange comment, for sure. I thought Aung San Suu Kyi was the darling of the West

Anyway, we know the US won't invade Myanmar to bring democracy and freedom, because of the geopolitical implications in its struggle with China for domination of the region.

Meanwhile, the British are being inundated with Russophobic propaganda to smokescreen their increasing domestic problems.

[kk67]

There's part of me that wonders about Female leaders that are being manipulated by corporate psychopaths.
Maggie is now the industry standard. It seems almost inconceivable that a female Nobel prize nominee is actually involved in deliberate genocide.

....and yet that's how corporate psychopaths work.

[Sandydragon]

There's part of me that wonders about Female leaders that are being manipulated by corporate psychopaths.
Maggie is now the industry standard. It seems almost inconceivable that a female Nobel prize nominee is actually involved in deliberate genocide.

....and yet that's how corporate psychopaths work.

Is it? Her position now is very different to 1991 on the face of it, but I wonder how much freedom she actually has. It’s also perfectly possible that she isn’t that fussed by the fate of a few million Muslims. The army’s attitude towards that minority group is a reflection of wider society.

[Sandydragon]

Will Russia step up to the plate to protect those much maligned generals in Myanmar in the coming weeks?

Are you suggesting that our perceived enemies should fight for human rights offences that we are encouraging..?.

How are we encouraging these abuses? Could the west do more? Of course, but I don’t see encouragement for genocide.

[rowan]

Britain has poured hundreds of thousands of pounds into training the Myanmar military, and this has continued despite the atrocities. In fact, the entire EU maintains very close relations with the Myanmar leadership and military, and if I'm not mistaken long-standing sanctions against Myanmar were lifted earlier this year. The US apparently lifted its long-standing arms sales embargo on Myanmar last year, at the height of the slaughter. Meanwhile Israel has numerous arms deals with Myanmar and has supplied tanks, boats and other weapons. As for Aung San Suu Kyi, there is probably not a lot she can do, but the Noble Prize-winner & darling of the West has repeatedly denied ethnic cleansing is in progress and even tried to shift the blame to the victims.

[Digby]

It's rather pathetic that the current security council chair is looking to kick any decisions on the UN report into the future so they're not tagged for it, but that's British diplomacy for you

And there are issues around picking another subject to have a fight with Russia about, it's just this really isn't a time to try and sit on the fence

[Sandydragon]

Britain has poured hundreds of thousands of pounds into training the Myanmar military, and this has continued despite the atrocities. In fact, the entire EU maintains very close relations with the Myanmar leadership and military, and if I'm not mistaken long-standing sanctions against Myanmar were lifted earlier this year. The US apparently lifted its long-standing arms sales embargo on Myanmar last year, at the height of the slaughter. Meanwhile Israel has numerous arms deals with Myanmar and has supplied tanks, boats and other weapons. As for Aung San Suu Kyi, there is probably not a lot she can do, but the Noble Prize-winner & darling of the West has repeatedly denied ethnic cleansing is in progress and even tried to shift the blame to the victims.

We have spent a lot in Burma but military funding was cut last year.

No argument about Aung San Suu Kyi.

[Digby]

And yet both the USA and Europe sought some action on human rights abuse in Burma, but were stymied by Russia, and in fairness China, and in further fairness India like China seems keen to protect investment in the region over human life

We're not getting the leadership from the West on the vast levels of abuse in Myanmar, but it's still not the West blocking action

[Donny osmond]

So after getting 100,000 mix of regular troops and mercenaries up to speed in Syria and then literally parking 1000 tanks on Ukrainian soil, Russia is about to engage in the worlds biggest war game exercise in nearly 40 years.

Those Western allies must be rattling their sabres something fierce to provoke this peaceful nation to such actions.

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[rowan]

Possibly holding war games on all of Russia and China's borders and invading a nation directly allied to Moscow (and in which Russia has a long-standing naval base; one of only three military bases it maintains outside the borders of the former USSR) could be considered saber rattling. Amazing how your mind works. The West makes wars across the Middle East and surrounds Russia and China with military bases, practices war games all along their borders, and then seems amazed that Russia and China want to get together and practice war games of their own, as if this were somehow proof of an evil plot to take over the world

I wonder if they'll be staging those war games along the Mexican or Canadian borders

Meanwhile in the Ukraine, America's Neo Nazi allies are terrorizing defenseless gypsies https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... aines-roma

[Sandydragon]

Invading Ukraine wasn’t sabre rattling. It was an act of war.

Still different rules for the non West eh?

[rowan]

There's simply no comparison, if we are referring to NATO as the West. Since WWII NATO and its members have waged wars all over the world that have killed more than twenty million people - approx. eight million in the Middle East since the 1990s alone - and they are still at it today.

Reclaiming a Black Sea peninsula, on which you have an important military base (as well as the ethnic majority), after a US-orchestrated violent coup, broken agreements in relation to that territory, and a local referendum overwhelmingly in favor of return, isn't remotely in the same league.

[cashead]

"Local referendum." Pull the other one.

While you're at it, explain how the Yuan Dynasty means China has a claim to Tibet again?

[rowan]

"Local referendum." Pull the other one.

96.77% in favor with an 83.1% turnout. Peaceful transition followed.

Not surprising either, as America's Neo Nazi allies were burning ethnic Russians alive in Odessa and Mariupol at the time. https://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/10/b ... ers-alive/

[AL.]

Quick question for anyone, is there a Russian news site that actually covers Russian news?

All the well known ones just talk about other peoples problems or their military achievements, is there a site that has some ACTUAL Russian news?

[Zhivago]

Quick question for anyone, is there a Russian news site that actually covers Russian news?

All the well known ones just talk about other peoples problems or their military achievements, is there a site that has some ACTUAL Russian news?

Pravda?

[WaspInWales]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46416038

Am I missing something here?

The 'official sensitive' report was leaked to the Mail on Sunday with all the details, but why didn't the security at the top secret military base challenge the guy and cameraman after they tried to gain access? Perhaps the security wasn't aware that they were working at a top secret site, so when a couple of Russians try to gain access, they thought nothing of it? Apparently, the Russian fellas were repeatedly tracked on CCTV whilst they were 'spying' on the secret military base, so I don't understand why the police weren't called as a matter of national security? It's not like there's any reason to be a bit suspicious of Russian activity at top secret military intelligence sites at the moment.

Instead, the public have been warned to be on their guard for suspicious activity near military bases.

It's like the propaganda campaigns that did the rounds in WW2.