Trump

[Vengeful Glutton]

Nazi collaborator George Soros behind the "spontaneous" protests in W.D.C.?

http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womeninthewo ... ashington/

Z list actress delivers an epic rant about taxes on tampons at this weekend's protest rally.





Mad, Ted. Stark raving bonkers.

[Donny osmond]

1.5m people at the inauguration according to Trump.

'Nasty media, fake news, boo fucking hoo'

Was anyone here at the event? Can you shed any light on this please?

Is the orange cunt right or is the media correct?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... trics-don/

Who will you believe? A Pulitzer-winning organisation or a known lying bigot and his toady, paid to shout that his master is The Warrior of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Rollah?

[Donny osmond]

It eventually ran out of credibility, clearly. British Labour Party politician Robin Cook was among the many to dismiss them (shortly before his sudden death). The US had already played that card far too many times. So they rebranded it as 'ISIS,' but it's exactly the same thing - their own proxy mercenaries and jihadists, who they, the Saudis and others armed and trained, and who can conveniently be blamed for every act of resistance to their imperial expansionism.

Did Robin Cook really say that?

Also, are you suggesting his death was suspicious? A 59 year old man suffering a heart attack whilst hill walking is not exactly a stretch is it?

The idea he said it has been thoroughly debunked. Iirc it was a french intelligence officer who had gone rogue and was wanted for treason charges who actually said it.

[OptimisticJock]

Has rowan not got previous for that?

[morepork]

Nazi collaborator George Soros behind the "spontaneous" protests in W.D.C.?

http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womeninthewo ... ashington/

Z list actress delivers an epic rant about taxes on tampons at this weekend's protest rally.
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Soros is an inside trading worm (Trump should love that), but criticising the march as not being spontaneous (i.e. not a riot) is disingenuous, at the very least. Planned Parenthood and The National Resource Defense Council are not exactly red flags for a subversive militia. The march in DC has been open knowledge here for weeks. Of course it was planned. The cops knew about it beforehand, so everything would be smooth-smoothie. What is the problem? Were you bottle fed as a child? I too think the Trump media beat ups are overkill, but shit boi, if you act like a misogynist cunt for decades, please do not be shocked if the 50% of the population you have portrayed as toy things for your pleasure decide to exercise a little freedom of speech upon your initiation to the highest office in the land. It's a good thing. Let's him know they are still here.

[Donny osmond]

This can only end well...

http://observer.com/2017/01/donald-trum ... -alliance/

[Digby]

My personal view is that these names, both Al Qaeda and ISIS, are not used by the terrorists themselves and are just blanket terms invented by the CIA or Western media or whoever, to give a face to anyone (notably Jihadists, of course) carrying out attacks against Westerners and also Western interests - imperialist or otherwise. As they say, when the rebels are on our side, they're heroic freedom fighters, but when they're against us, they're Al Qaeda or ISIS. Instant demonization by association with terrorism - even when their cause is entirely just.

Whether they call themselves the same thing as we call them doesn't seem important, it's more like Germany Vs Deutschland, either way they exist, and either way calling their cause entirely just is bonkers, and still worse would be to suggest their actions are just whether from murder, destruction of such as Palmyra, subjugation of people that want nothing to do with them, theft... you were on safer ground falsely attributing quotes than the drivel above

You completely missed the point there, I'm afraid, because you too are lumping anyone fighting against Western imperialism together - which is ridiculous. The rebels fighting against other Western-backed rebels (and terrorists) in Iraq, Libya and Syria (such as the Kurdish YPG) are clearly not terrorists and do have a just cause. But the Turks have decided they are terrorists and has bombed them accordingly. America does the same thing when it meets legitimate resistance in the various nations it has occupied, calls them Al Qaeda or ISIS, and bombs them. & the Germany-Deutschland analogy is what is really bonkers here, because you're talking about a sovereign nation - whereas the Western terms Al Qaeda and ISIS are applied to a wide range of entirely disconnected combatants, ranging from Jihadist maniacs to courageous resistance fighters against Western imperialism and its terrorist proxies.

Utter tripe, the Kurdish YPG are not lumped together with Al Qaeda or ISIS across Europe and I don't know anyone who think's they're fighting Western imperialism, far from it. Maybe that's the case in Turkey, but seeing as your typical lunacy sees you directing scorn at the US and the UK then we're not responsible for the Turkish government's take on the situation nor the reporting of it in Turkey.

[morepork]

The comparisons are all very stupid anyway. Washington voted 90% for Clinton, and are consistently over 80% for the Dems in most elections. Host the inauguration in Alabama and see how the numbers would compare.

Its this sort of stuff which is all a bit distracting, I'd much rather the US press focus on the things Trump did in his first day of office than spend what felt like hours and hours of CNN debating visitor numbers. Its all part of the sideshow that got Trump to where he is. The American people are clueless as to the actual actions of their government in many cases.

Don't conflate a media obsessed with profit through entertainment with things the public consider relevant.

[rowan]

Utter tripe, the Kurdish YPG are not lumped together with Al Qaeda or ISIS across Europe and I don't know anyone who think's they're fighting Western imperialism, far from it. Maybe that's the case in Turkey, but seeing as your typical lunacy sees you directing scorn at the US and the UK then we're not responsible for the Turkish government's take on the situation nor the reporting of it in Turkey.

That was an example of a group fighting Western proxies - the terrorists America & Saudi, et al, created. You were the one lumping them all together and making silly analogies about Germany and Deutschland. Fact is, just like the actual terrorists, those fighting Western imperialism and Western proxies (including terrorists) do not name themselves like pop groups. That's a creation of Western media. Al Qaeda is actually a slang term for 'the toilet' in Arabic, so that really wouldn't be a very good choice, would it? So they've been rebranded as 'ISIS,' 'Daesh,' 'Al Sham,' 'Al Nusra,' etc (the Khorasan was discredited early on), but these names have all been provided by the West and no distinction is made between jihadist maniacs and resistance fighters. It also serves to disguise the fact the former are provided by staunched American ally Saudi Arabia.

if you act like a misogynist cunt for decades, please do not be shocked if the 50% of the population you have portrayed as toy things for your pleasure decide to exercise a little freedom of speech upon your initiation to the highest office in the land. It's a good thing.

Strange, though, that 53% of white women voted for Trump

Re: Cook's comments and the myth of Al Qaeda, this video covers it well . . .

[Digby]

This can only end well...

http://observer.com/2017/01/donald-trum ... -alliance/

When Trump spoke to the CIA yesterday he said something along the lines of he's 1000% percent behind them, and that negative reporting of his views on them was down to lying media outlets.

[Digby]

Utter tripe, the Kurdish YPG are not lumped together with Al Qaeda or ISIS across Europe and I don't know anyone who think's they're fighting Western imperialism, far from it. Maybe that's the case in Turkey, but seeing as your typical lunacy sees you directing scorn at the US and the UK then we're not responsible for the Turkish government's take on the situation nor the reporting of it in Turkey.

That was an example of a group fighting Western proxies - the terrorists America & Saudi, et al, created. You were the one lumping them all together and making silly analogies about Germany and Deutschland. Fact is, just like the actual terrorists, those fighting Western imperialism and Western proxies (including terrorists) do not name themselves like pop groups. That's a creation of Western media. Al Qaeda is actually a slang term for 'the toilet' in Arabic, so that really wouldn't be a very good choice, would it? So they've been rebranded as 'ISIS,' 'Daesh,' 'Al Sham,' 'Al Nusra,' etc (the Khorasan was discredited early on), but these names have all been provided by the West and no distinction is made between jihadist maniacs and resistance fighters. It also serves to disguise the fact the former are provided by staunched American ally Saudi Arabia.

I don't think I lumped anyone together. Certainly not Al Qaeda and the Kurdish rebels, when it was noted sometimes they're reported as friends and sometimes as terrorists I took that to mean (give there was commentary on Al Qaeda) we were friends with the Mujahideen when they fought the Soviets, and from some of those groups grew what we might refer to as Al Qaeda, who we weren't friends with, though must likely we're now working with some elements of Al Qaeda again now we're opposed to ISIS.

[rowan]

Utter tripe, the Kurdish YPG are not lumped together with Al Qaeda or ISIS across Europe and I don't know anyone who think's they're fighting Western imperialism, far from it. Maybe that's the case in Turkey, but seeing as your typical lunacy sees you directing scorn at the US and the UK then we're not responsible for the Turkish government's take on the situation nor the reporting of it in Turkey.

That was an example of a group fighting Western proxies - the terrorists America & Saudi, et al, created. You were the one lumping them all together and making silly analogies about Germany and Deutschland. Fact is, just like the actual terrorists, those fighting Western imperialism and Western proxies (including terrorists) do not name themselves like pop groups. That's a creation of Western media. Al Qaeda is actually a slang term for 'the toilet' in Arabic, so that really wouldn't be a very good choice, would it? So they've been rebranded as 'ISIS,' 'Daesh,' 'Al Sham,' 'Al Nusra,' etc (the Khorasan was discredited early on), but these names have all been provided by the West and no distinction is made between jihadist maniacs and resistance fighters. It also serves to disguise the fact the former are provided by staunched American ally Saudi Arabia.

I don't think I lumped anyone together. Certainly not Al Qaeda and the Kurdish rebels, when it was noted sometimes they're reported as friends and sometimes as terrorists I took that to mean (give there was commentary on Al Qaeda) we were friends with the Mujahideen when they fought the Soviets, and from some of those groups grew what we might refer to as Al Qaeda, who we weren't friends with, though must likely we're now working with some elements of Al Qaeda again now we're opposed to ISIS.

By disregarding the entire point of my post, which was that these pop group names are simply blanket terms to discredit anyone fighting against Western interests - whether they be Jihadists, legitimate resistance groups or some lunatic driving a truck in France - you were giving credence to the propaganda which indeed lumps them together and demonizes all.

[Vengeful Glutton]

Nazi collaborator George Soros behind the "spontaneous" protests in W.D.C.?

http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womeninthewo ... ashington/

Z list actress delivers an epic rant about taxes on tampons at this weekend's protest rally.
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Soros is an inside trading worm (Trump should love that), but criticising the march as not being spontaneous (i.e. not a riot) is disingenuous, at the very least. Planned Parenthood and The National Resource Defense Council are not exactly red flags for a subversive militia. The march in DC has been open knowledge here for weeks. Of course it was planned. The cops knew about it beforehand, so everything would be smooth-smoothie. What is the problem? Were you bottle fed as a child? I too think the Trump media beat ups are overkill, but shit boi, if you act like a misogynist cunt for decades, please do not be shocked if the 50% of the population you have portrayed as toy things for your pleasure decide to exercise a little freedom of speech upon your initiation to the highest office in the land. It's a good thing. Let's him know they are still here.

Ah yes, they were protesting against misogyny.

Strange then, that they didn't utter a word about Hillary Clinton accepting donations from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

[Digby]

Utter tripe, the Kurdish YPG are not lumped together with Al Qaeda or ISIS across Europe and I don't know anyone who think's they're fighting Western imperialism, far from it. Maybe that's the case in Turkey, but seeing as your typical lunacy sees you directing scorn at the US and the UK then we're not responsible for the Turkish government's take on the situation nor the reporting of it in Turkey.

That was an example of a group fighting Western proxies - the terrorists America & Saudi, et al, created. You were the one lumping them all together and making silly analogies about Germany and Deutschland. Fact is, just like the actual terrorists, those fighting Western imperialism and Western proxies (including terrorists) do not name themselves like pop groups. That's a creation of Western media. Al Qaeda is actually a slang term for 'the toilet' in Arabic, so that really wouldn't be a very good choice, would it? So they've been rebranded as 'ISIS,' 'Daesh,' 'Al Sham,' 'Al Nusra,' etc (the Khorasan was discredited early on), but these names have all been provided by the West and no distinction is made between jihadist maniacs and resistance fighters. It also serves to disguise the fact the former are provided by staunched American ally Saudi Arabia.

I don't think I lumped anyone together. Certainly not Al Qaeda and the Kurdish rebels, when it was noted sometimes they're reported as friends and sometimes as terrorists I took that to mean (give there was commentary on Al Qaeda) we were friends with the Mujahideen when they fought the Soviets, and from some of those groups grew what we might refer to as Al Qaeda, who we weren't friends with, though must likely we're now working with some elements of Al Qaeda again now we're opposed to ISIS.

By disregarding the entire point of my post, which was that these pop group names are simply blanket terms to discredit anyone fighting against Western interests - whether they be Jihadists, legitimate resistance groups or some lunatic driving a truck in France - you were giving credence to the propaganda which indeed lumps them together and demonizes all.

I've just specifically given an example of how they're not simply all lumped together so that's another odd claim, and anyway not all the groups are aimed at fighting against Western influence, and nor are they fighting for. Some groups have more to them than simply responding to the West. Some groups out of any number of tribal, religious and political groups are perhaps lumped together under some simplified banners such as ISIS, but tbh you'd find that in the struggles in Ireland, and that's something we've much more familiar with, that's partly just how stuff is reported and talked about anywhere.

[rowan]

I don't think I lumped anyone together. Certainly not Al Qaeda and the Kurdish rebels, when it was noted sometimes they're reported as friends and sometimes as terrorists I took that to mean (give there was commentary on Al Qaeda) we were friends with the Mujahideen when they fought the Soviets, and from some of those groups grew what we might refer to as Al Qaeda, who we weren't friends with, though must likely we're now working with some elements of Al Qaeda again now we're opposed to ISIS.

By disregarding the entire point of my post, which was that these pop group names are simply blanket terms to discredit anyone fighting against Western interests - whether they be Jihadists, legitimate resistance groups or some lunatic driving a truck in France - you were giving credence to the propaganda which indeed lumps them together and demonizes all.

I've just specifically given an example of how they're not simply all lumped together so that's another odd claim, and anyway not all the groups are aimed at fighting against Western influence, and nor are they fighting for. Some groups have more to them than simply responding to the West. Some groups out of any number of tribal, religious and political groups are perhaps lumped together under some simplified banners such as ISIS, but tbh you'd find that in the struggles in Ireland, and that's something we've much more familiar with, that's partly just how stuff is reported and talked about anywhere.

Well, now you seem to be saying pretty much what I was saying in the first place. Try looking properly before jumping into a debate next time.

[morepork]

Nazi collaborator George Soros behind the "spontaneous" protests in W.D.C.?

http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womeninthewo ... ashington/

Z list actress delivers an epic rant about taxes on tampons at this weekend's protest rally.
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Soros is an inside trading worm (Trump should love that), but criticising the march as not being spontaneous (i.e. not a riot) is disingenuous, at the very least. Planned Parenthood and The National Resource Defense Council are not exactly red flags for a subversive militia. The march in DC has been open knowledge here for weeks. Of course it was planned. The cops knew about it beforehand, so everything would be smooth-smoothie. What is the problem? Were you bottle fed as a child? I too think the Trump media beat ups are overkill, but shit boi, if you act like a misogynist cunt for decades, please do not be shocked if the 50% of the population you have portrayed as toy things for your pleasure decide to exercise a little freedom of speech upon your initiation to the highest office in the land. It's a good thing. Let's him know they are still here.

Ah yes, they were protesting against misogyny.

Strange then, that they didn't utter a word about Hillary Clinton accepting donations from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Are you saying that the Hilldog organised this event? Or did the nazis? They were rallying for a domestic issue. Don't leave town till you've seen the country baby.

[Digby]

By disregarding the entire point of my post, which was that these pop group names are simply blanket terms to discredit anyone fighting against Western interests - whether they be Jihadists, legitimate resistance groups or some lunatic driving a truck in France - you were giving credence to the propaganda which indeed lumps them together and demonizes all.

I've just specifically given an example of how they're not simply all lumped together so that's another odd claim, and anyway not all the groups are aimed at fighting against Western influence, and nor are they fighting for. Some groups have more to them than simply responding to the West. Some groups out of any number of tribal, religious and political groups are perhaps lumped together under some simplified banners such as ISIS, but tbh you'd find that in the struggles in Ireland, and that's something we've much more familiar with, that's partly just how stuff is reported and talked about anywhere.

Well, now you seem to be saying pretty much what I was saying in the first place. Try looking properly before jumping into a debate next time.

What you said was the labels ISIS and Al Qaeda are not used by terrorists, and thus I considered you were talking about terrorists, because of your use of the word terrorists.

If you now want to say when you said terrorists you intended to mean a much wider group and not simply terrorists then you should have said so, or you could have said the group referred to (simplistically) as terrorists.

[rowan]

I've just specifically given an example of how they're not simply all lumped together so that's another odd claim, and anyway not all the groups are aimed at fighting against Western influence, and nor are they fighting for. Some groups have more to them than simply responding to the West. Some groups out of any number of tribal, religious and political groups are perhaps lumped together under some simplified banners such as ISIS, but tbh you'd find that in the struggles in Ireland, and that's something we've much more familiar with, that's partly just how stuff is reported and talked about anywhere.

Well, now you seem to be saying pretty much what I was saying in the first place. Try looking properly before jumping into a debate next time.

What you said was the labels ISIS and Al Qaeda are not used by terrorists, and thus I considered you were talking about terrorists, because of your use of the word terrorists.

If you now want to say when you said terrorists you intended to mean a much wider group and not simply terrorists then you should have said so, or you could have said the group referred to (simplistically) as terrorists.

Go back and read it properly, Digby...

[Digby]

Well, now you seem to be saying pretty much what I was saying in the first place. Try looking properly before jumping into a debate next time.

What you said was the labels ISIS and Al Qaeda are not used by terrorists, and thus I considered you were talking about terrorists, because of your use of the word terrorists.

If you now want to say when you said terrorists you intended to mean a much wider group and not simply terrorists then you should have said so, or you could have said the group referred to (simplistically) as terrorists.

Go back and read it properly, Digby...

Sadly I did read it, and you said 'My personal view is that these names, both Al Qaeda and ISIS, are not used by the terrorists themselves' which quite clearly says you're talking about terrorists, and terrorists comes with some specific meanings.

You might have meant something else, but that's for you to know, others can only go on the words you use.

[Vengeful Glutton]

Are you saying that the Hilldog organised this event? Or did the nazis? They were rallying for a domestic issue. Don't leave town till you've seen the country baby.

You've stated that these protests were a rallying cry against misogyny. Now you've changed that to a "domestic issue". What would that domestic issue be, precisely?

Ya see, what I don't get about these pinko liberal types, that you're desperately defending, is that on the one hand, they'll violently protest against the inauguration of a democratically elected president because he's a "misogynist", but on the other, they remain silent about what should be, assuming all things are equal, an equally pertinent issue:

Hillary Clinton receiving one fifth of her campaign funding from the Kingdom of Saudia Arabia, which, as you know, endorses amongst other humans rights abuses, misogyny.

Maybe if you could explain this blatant hypocrisy, Madonna will suck your d1ck eh?

[Vengeful Glutton]

[Vengeful Glutton]

[Len]

It is however their democratic right to protest whatever the fuck they want.

Stupid is as stupid does.

[Len]

That Mark Dice guy is a top class twat, Trump train, what a cunt.

That Ashley Judd speech though, WTF is she on? That was barely coherent.

Worlds gone nuts. Comedy gold this.

[morepork]

You've stated that these protests were a rallying cry against misogyny. Now you've changed that to a "domestic issue". What would that domestic issue be, precisely?

Ya see, what I don't get about these pinko liberal types, that you're desperately defending, is that on the one hand, they'll violently protest against the inauguration of a democratically elected president because he's a "misogynist", but on the other, they remain silent about what should be, assuming all things are equal, an equally pertinent issue:

Hillary Clinton receiving one fifth of her campaign funding from the Kingdom of Saudia Arabia, which, as you know, endorses amongst other humans rights abuses, misogyny.

Maybe if you could explain this blatant hypocrisy, Madonna will suck your d1ck eh?

Pinko liberals? What is that? A recurring nightmare for your psychiatrist to dissect? I must have also missed the violence. Was there violence? Again, why the hard on for Hillary Clinton? Did she organise this? Of course it is a domestic issue, these people were exercising their right to free speech in their own country. Maybe if you could explain this confusion, I could suck your dick?