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hugh_woatmeigh wrote:

Jps wrote:I wouldn't call that a like for like replacement by any means, that's an odd one

It's not. Which means Gatland is going to have to shift the back row around a little bit which makes the Haskell shout a poor one. Perfect for Gatball... but I'd have thought Barclay or Robshaw would be the next cabs off the rank.

He won't have to do any shuffling because he already had an excess of back rowers and particularly people who can play 8. Quite what Haskell is doing there ahead of Barclay orWatson or Van der flier god only knows.

Yup. Haskell would have been at best 5th or 6th on my list to call up, and that's mainly as he may actually suit Gatland's style.

Faletau playing very well since his return and obviously Stander is there anyway but absolutely gutted for Billy. Nobody else can do what he does.

If Haskell can bring his energy from last summer tour in OZ he won't be out of place.

Haskell fits the style,
can carry,
can ruck
can run straight into contact

Job done

The only chance the scots of next call ups are hooker and fly half

Adder wrote:If Haskell can bring his energy from last summer tour in OZ he won't be out of place.

I must admit that was my reaction too.

I don't think there were many Scots in contention to replace him to be fair. Watson would only be considered if one of the 7s go down. Despite how I see Barclay (a 6 or 8 not a 7) I am not sure the international coaches see him as that but rather a second 7 in the Scotland side.

whatisthejava wrote:Haskell fits the style,
can carry,
can ruck
can run straight into contact

Job done

The only chance the scots of next call ups are hooker and fly half

You're way off the mark Java. Russell has been shocking second half of the season - George Ford next cab off the rank. Brown failed at sarries & failed at Twickenham - he is nowhere near the squad. Hartley next.

hugh_woatmeigh wrote:

whatisthejava wrote:Haskell fits the style,
can carry,
can ruck
can run straight into contact

Job done

The only chance the scots of next call ups are hooker and fly half

You're way off the mark Java. Russell has been shocking second half of the season - George Ford next cab off the rank. Brown failed at sarries & failed at Twickenham - he is nowhere near the squad. Hartley next.

I think you have some fair points but my reasoning is the following
RE Russel
Gatland has picked big tacklers over small skilled every time, why would he go for George Ford over Finn Russel, i agree Russel hasnt had a brilliant second half of the season but at the end of the day between him and George Ford one of them will stand in a channel and tackle and the other will get run over, the rest of the squad has been picked to tackle , skill has been removed in favour of tackle grunt

Re Brown v hartley - Gatland doesnt like hartley and Brown fits the mould as much as Hartley, if Owens (only hooker left with a game to play) gets on the plane; Beown has the advantage of being in Oz rather than Argentina, Gatland has used this before, mind u he may well opt for the welsh 3rd choice hooker as he will be in NZ

whatisthejava wrote:

hugh_woatmeigh wrote:

whatisthejava wrote:Haskell fits the style,
can carry,
can ruck
can run straight into contact

Job done

The only chance the scots of next call ups are hooker and fly half

You're way off the mark Java. Russell has been shocking second half of the season - George Ford next cab off the rank. Brown failed at sarries & failed at Twickenham - he is nowhere near the squad. Hartley next.

I think you have some fair points but my reasoning is the following
RE Russel
Gatland has picked big tacklers over small skilled every time, why would he go for George Ford over Finn Russel, i agree Russel hasnt had a brilliant second half of the season but at the end of the day between him and George Ford one of them will stand in a channel and tackle and the other will get run over, the rest of the squad has been picked to tackle , skill has been removed in favour of tackle grunt

Re Brown v hartley - Gatland doesnt like hartley and Brown fits the mould as much as Hartley, if Owens (only hooker left with a game to play) gets on the plane; Beown has the advantage of being in Oz rather than Argentina, Gatland has used this before, mind u he may well opt for the welsh 3rd choice hooker as he will be in NZ

George Ford is the starting 10 for the best team in the NH over the last two years. He is the next call up. Either way Ford is a smaller guy but the stats do not suggest he's a bad tackler. I've never seen him run over. He's a big game player, when the pressure is on he performs better than Russell.

Same applies to Hartley. Along with George he's been both the captain and the first choice hooker for the best team in the NH for the last couple of years. Brown, like Russell, has crumbled in the big games.

We're far more likely to have a back row (Watson, Barclay), prop (Fagerson) or lock (Gray, Gray) called up before.

Wow. You really do hate some of our players don't you? Hartley is just totally average at everything, though manages to still be average when the pressure is on so I guess that is something.

Ford is also pretty erratic in his own way, though incredibly talented. Hard to say whether having the kicking duties taken away from him avoids seeing some of the issues that Russell gets slated for, like missing touch from penalties.

It's worth bearing in mind Farrel is allowed to miss as many tackles or touchfinders as he likes without any criticism.

Not that I actually disagree with your run down of how Gatland will view potential call ups.

I don't think you know what the word 'hate' means... I think Brown is excellent but the two tests he needed to come through were Eng away & Sarries away. He failed both. Russell is world class one week and awful the next - I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

For the record I think Brown is better than Hartley. I don't think Russell deserves to tour though.

whatisthejava wrote:Haskell fits the style,
can carry,
can ruck
can run straight into contact with the posts

Job done

The only chance the scots of next call ups are hooker and fly half

FTFY

Toonie in the paper hoping for more Lions

I think once the players are in NZ and the welsh lads are so close at hand Gatland will just keep choosing welshies unless its a second row which will be launchbery

whatisthejava wrote: unless its a second row which will be launchbery

As it should be.

Launch and Robshaw could get the call. Probably will.
If Robshaw gets a Lions call the England are in serious trouble in Arg. If they both get the call,......

Laidlaw, Seymour and Hogg all start on Saturday.

Like the look of that back 3 alot.

Shit. Forgot the Lions was actually happening.

If you don't win this one at a canter, something's horribly wrong (even if your management was daft enough to fly Qantas and add in an extra stop).

Come on you Barbarians!

Forgot Kyle Sinckler was a lion. Lmao.

hugh_woatmeigh wrote:Forgot Kyle Sinckler was a lion. Lmao.

I'm a big Sinkler fan (large parts of that are simply for potential ability and for novelty value) but it does seem a bit crazy to me still. It feels like Fagerson is further down the same path, but suffered from actually staring enough games to show his inexperience, at times, while Sinkler got to play the super-sub role in a largely dominant team.

Either way, I'd be much more worried about Fagerson holding up over the course of the tour v Sinkler with the amount of rugby they've played this season. Sinkler should provide some comedy value too.

cashead wrote:Yeah, in retrospect, the fact that the 2005 Lions struggled so hard against what was basically a 3rd choice Argentine side and were lucky to get a draw should've sent alarm bells, but the fact that they were far from convincing against the Bay of Plenty and Taranaki in their first two matches pretty much cemented that it was going to be a shit-show of a tour.

This Barbarians side is pretty weak and very young. It's got no regular Super Rugby players, just a couple of national age group and 7s players.

In contrast in 2005, the BOP team against the Lions featured at least 7 past, future or current test players (2 All Blacks, 3 Tongans and a Fijian). Taranaki put out at least 5 (4 All Blacks, 1 Samoan) as well as a handful of national 7s, age group and Maori reps.

I see Payne is injured. Shame, he covers a lot of the backline.

Luckily so does Daly

Croft_No.5 wrote:Luckily so does Daly

Aye, Fazlet and Daly cover 10-15 between them fairly comfortably.