Trump

[Zhivago]

In honour of Michigan with the hope of them being the key to a Biden presidency, a theme song.


Margin is now 12k...

[Banquo]

In honour of Michigan with the hope of them being the key to a Biden presidency, a theme song.

Its definitely them- big swing. If Wayne County carries on its current trend, I think Biden wins.

[Zhivago]

In honour of Michigan with the hope of them being the key to a Biden presidency, a theme song.

Its definitely them- big swing. If Wayne County carries on its current trend, I think Biden wins.

Then all the focus will switch to Nevada

[paddy no 11]

Stick a fork in it lads - Biden has it won

[Banquo]

Stick a fork in it lads - Biden has it won

I think so. But very close.

[Zhivago]

twitter says down to 2k...

[Sandydragon]

Michigan lead down to 70k with 13% still left... looks the most likely way if Biden will manage it.

Detroit to win it for Biden perhaps?

Currently Michigan is:

2406691 Trump
2379293 Biden

86% of the vote counted, a majority of 27398 according to the BBC.

[Sandydragon]

Wisconsin seems to have narrowed towards Trump as well. Brown county, appropriately could swing it back to Trump.

Biden is ahead by just under 21000 votes with 97% of the votes counted.

[Zhivago]

Michigan lead down to 70k with 13% still left... looks the most likely way if Biden will manage it.

Detroit to win it for Biden perhaps?

Currently Michigan is:

2406691 Trump
2379293 Biden

86% of the vote counted, a majority of 27398 according to the BBC.

link?

edit: nvm found it

indeed still a way off

[Sandydragon]

In honour of Michigan with the hope of them being the key to a Biden presidency, a theme song.

Its definitely them- big swing. If Wayne County carries on its current trend, I think Biden wins.

Then all the focus will switch to Nevada

Biden 8000 votes up with 86% of the vote counted.

[Mikey Brown]

It’s incredible how many people seem to be shocked that this is close.

[Zhivago]

[Puja]

Its definitely them- big swing. If Wayne County carries on its current trend, I think Biden wins.

Then all the focus will switch to Nevada

Biden 8000 votes up with 86% of the vote counted.

For a minute there, I thought you meant that new results had come through from Michigan to put Biden into the lead!

Puja

[Stom]

One thing that is very interesting is how the voting patterns absolutely ape voting in Hungary, Poland, Brazil, Turkey, the UK...

Absolutely 100% ape. All cities vote Democrat, all hicks vote Republican.

It's one of the reasons why Budapest and a number of other CEE cities have signed an agreement to work together on collecting EU funds independently of their governments.

[Sandydragon]

I'm guessing more shy voters than shy Trump voters, and the previous polling data discounted them from voting by too great a margin. But whilst the Dems have registered a lot of people to vote the GOP have done the same & in addition the GOP have turned our a huge % of their likely voters

At what point do we grant refugee status to sane Americans?

Agreed - the polling clearly underestimated how many people would turn out and weighed their samples wrongly.

Frankly, everything being this close on a high-turnout election has shaken me a bit. I had been working on the basis that Trump has his ridiculous base of racists, bigots, white supremacists, etc that would turn out fervently for him in any situation and would win him an election in a depressed turnout scenario, but would be overwhelmed by the sane people if there was a large turnout.

As it turns out, we've got 67 million people who have looked at the last four years - the incredible debt the US has built up giving tax cuts to high earners, the expansion in wealth of billionaires, the gutting of healthcare, the gutting of environmental protections, the voter suppression and disdain for electoral processes, the constant stream of lies and disinformation - and decided that that's the country they believe in.

Even if Biden wins, I'm as saddened by that as I would've been by a low turnout and a Trump victory. At least that way I could've continued believing that 48% of America didn't actively buy into fascism.

Puja


ETA. Although would sane Americans want to come here given our shift Trumpwards? It's like a refugee in the 1930s leaving Germany to settle down in Spain.

You're not the only one.

[fivepointer]

Looks like Biden will just get over the line.

But thats just the vote. We will get weeks of legal wrangling before a winner is formally announced.

[Stom]

Looks like Biden will just get over the line.

But thats just the vote. We will get weeks of legal wrangling before a winner is formally announced.

This will be the worst possible result, I think.

Trump win before the early votes are tallied, flipping to a Biden win after they're counted...

We could see extreme violence. Not good.

[Zhivago]

Looks like Biden will just get over the line.

But thats just the vote. We will get weeks of legal wrangling before a winner is formally announced.

This will be the worst possible result, I think.

Trump win before the early votes are tallied, flipping to a Biden win after they're counted...

We could see extreme violence. Not good.

Worst result would surely be a Trump win.

[Which Tyler]

Pennsylvania: T+619k ~1330k TBC

Wisconsin: B+21k ~97k TBC

Arizona: B+131k ~468k TBC

Georgia: T+104k ~373k TBC

Michigan: T+27k ~671k TBC

Nevada: B+8k ~164k TBC

WI, MI, Penn & Nev are mostly counting early/mail ballots which heavily skew Dem, Georgia are mostly counting Atlanta which comfortably skews Dem

[Sandydragon]

Looks like Biden will just get over the line.

But thats just the vote. We will get weeks of legal wrangling before a winner is formally announced.

This will be the worst possible result, I think.

Trump win before the early votes are tallied, flipping to a Biden win after they're counted...

We could see extreme violence. Not good.

Agreed, this has potential to kick off royally.

I can't for the life of my understand why postal ballots cannot be counted alongside other ballots and declared simultaneously. This feels like death by a thousand cuts.

[Sandydragon]

Pennsylvania: T+619k ~1330k TBC

Wisconsin: B+21k ~97k TBC

Arizona: B+131k ~468k TBC

Georgia: T+104k ~373k TBC

Michigan: T+27k ~671k TBC

Nevada: T+8k ~164k TBC

WI,MI and Penn are mostly counting early/mail ballots which heavily skew Dem, Georgia are mostly counting Atlanta which comfortably skews Dem

Whats the source for that - has Nevada flipped red?

[Digby]

I'm guessing more shy voters than shy Trump voters, and the previous polling data discounted them from voting by too great a margin. But whilst the Dems have registered a lot of people to vote the GOP have done the same & in addition the GOP have turned our a huge % of their likely voters

At what point do we grant refugee status to sane Americans?

Agreed - the polling clearly underestimated how many people would turn out and weighed their samples wrongly.

Frankly, everything being this close on a high-turnout election has shaken me a bit. I had been working on the basis that Trump has his ridiculous base of racists, bigots, white supremacists, etc that would turn out fervently for him in any situation and would win him an election in a depressed turnout scenario, but would be overwhelmed by the sane people if there was a large turnout.

As it turns out, we've got 67 million people who have looked at the last four years - the incredible debt the US has built up giving tax cuts to high earners, the expansion in wealth of billionaires, the gutting of healthcare, the gutting of environmental protections, the voter suppression and disdain for electoral processes, the constant stream of lies and disinformation - and decided that that's the country they believe in.

Even if Biden wins, I'm as saddened by that as I would've been by a low turnout and a Trump victory. At least that way I could've continued believing that 48% of America didn't actively buy into fascism.

Puja


ETA. Although would sane Americans want to come here given our shift Trumpwards? It's like a refugee in the 1930s leaving Germany to settle down in Spain.

You're not the only one.

I didn't see there being this many people happy to be so morally bankrupt and/or thick as mince either. Still, democracy for the win, maybe.

[Which Tyler]

Pennsylvania: T+619k ~1330k TBC

Wisconsin: B+21k ~97k TBC

Arizona: B+131k ~468k TBC

Georgia: T+104k ~373k TBC

Michigan: T+27k ~671k TBC

Nevada: B+8k ~164k TBC

WI,MI and Penn are mostly counting early/mail ballots which heavily skew Dem, Georgia are mostly counting Atlanta which comfortably skews Dem

Whats the source for that - has Nevada flipped red?

CNN but Nevada was my cock-up, sorry

[Digby]

The good news in some sense is the Democratic Party improved when losing many of the Southern racists, now the Democrats are losing the Northern racists which is hurting them in this election as in 2016, but in the long game this surely only plays out one way absent of a civil war between then and now

[Puja]

Edited: Never mind, he's already fixed it.

Puja