More on Syria

[rowan]

Major difference is America and Britain turned up from the other side of the planet to bomb Iraq into the dark ages so that they could control the oil industry, leading to at least a million deaths, more than a decade of war, and ongoing terrorism, whereas the Syrian government and their long-standing Russian (and Iranian) allies have quite heroically defended Syria from precisely that fate - despite the substantial death toll and suffering brought about by this latest US-orchestrated attempt at regime-change.

[Digby]

Not sure actually, perhaps that latest is a recipe for pumpkin soup

[Buggaluggs]

Copy McPastyface is at it again. Will you ever stop polluting this site with reams of dubious paste-shoite?

That whole nonsense started as cuntyMccuntface.........

Did you start it, Fella..?. The entire cuntyMcCuntface debacle has got your fingerprints all over it. You or KO.

Nothing concrete ties me to these salacious allegations. CuntyMcCuntface is not one of mine. Oscar Wilde, perhaps?

[kk67]

Hmmmm.
My airplane has yet to go viral but I'm getting the feeling that there are a few RR starters for 10 that have entered the public lexicon.

[kk67]

'Where's my ban you fecking twat ?' being the perfect example.

[morepork]

Obtuse isn't working. Try literal.

[kk67]

Obtuse isn't working. Try literal.

Syria is a pinch point.
It's not their fault.

Our cheap colonialists are looking to steal more natural assets from vulnerable countries. No surprise.

[rowan]

Yes, the US military is still camped in the oil rich north of the country, in violation of international law and without any plausible reason, and eventually things will come to a head there. The US has over 800 military bases in more than 70 countries now, most of them unwelcome.

[Sandydragon]

Obtuse isn't working. Try literal.

Syria is a pinch point.
It's not their fault.

Our cheap colonialists are looking to steal more natural assets from vulnerable countries. No surprise.

To blame the civil war totally on that ignores the significant evidence that large parts of the Syrian people were not happy with eAssad regime and were brutally suppressed when they protested. Foreign countries exploiting a crisis is a fair point, but the crisis wasn’t made externally.

[rowan]

Sure, Sandy. The students and feminists protesting the government morphed into head-chopping, machine gun-weilding terrorists riding around in American humvees. You believe that, just like you think the government was firing tubes of toothpaste at innocent civilians in Douma for fun...

[Donny osmond]

Well, this should pretty much put it all to bed... unless you're the sort of chimp who just can't help throwing shit no matter what.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2018/07/24/bold ... al-attacks

The courageous decision by delegates at a special CWC conference in The Hague came after Russia used its veto to kill an effort by the United Nations Security Council to hold those in Syria to account for the attacks that have claimed hundreds of lives.

...

After the JIM confirmed that the government was responsible for an April 2017 nerve agent attack in Khan Sheikhoun that killed dozens of people, Russia decided to put an end to those investigations using its Security Council veto. Last November, the JIM went silent and was disbanded. Russian state media and its online sycophants filled the vacuum by spreading conspiracy theories and sowing confusion

...

 The days of Russia using its Security Council veto to suppress the truth about who is perpetrating chemical attacks in Syria are over.

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[Buggaluggs]

That should shut rowan, and his fake news, up for a while

[rowan]

Sorry to destroy your posts again, guys, but . . .

A preliminary report published Friday by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) found no traces of any nerve agent at the site of a suspected chemical attack in the Syrian city of Douma. The OPCW report states this unambiguously as follows:

"No organophosphorous nerve agents or their degradation products were detected in the environmental samples or in the plasma samples taken from alleged casualties."

Compare the newly published official OPCW findings with the 5-page White House assessment released on April 13th, just days after the alleged attack. Now contradicted by the new OPCW findings, the White House asserted that sarin was used at Douma,

Though at the time both UN and OPCW officials urged caution in the rush to blame "animal Assad" for "using nerve agents" as many world headlines breathlessly concluded a mere moments after videos purporting to show scores of chemical attack victims first surfaced (and though CW experts themselves warned that not a single neutral observer was on the ground to verify such claims when it happened), the latest OPCW report flatly contradicts the narrative that quickly solidified in the mainstream.

Chrlorine?

Interestingly, headlines are now making much of the mention of "various chlorinated organic chemicals" — with Reuters for example emphasizing, Chemical weapons agency finds 'chlorinated' chemicals in Syria's Douma.

The word "chlorine" is only used twice in the OPCW interim report, both in characterizations of social media and does not contain any declaration "confirming" chlorine allegations, in spite of current media reports wrongly suggesting the OPCW has found victims at Douma that died from chlorine exposure.

Apparently both Reuters and the BBC were forced to quickly correct their reporting of Friday's OPCW document, as both initially claimed that OPCW investigators confirmed chlorine used at Douma, whereas the document reads various chlorinated organic chemicals were found in samples from two sites (Reuters issued the following correction: Corrects to “various chlorinated organic chemicals” instead of chlorine; and the BBC changed its headline from "chlorine gas" to "possible chlorine").

This subtle distinction is significant as Moon of Alabama blog explains:

The "various chlorinated organic chemicals" are unsurprising. Chlorine is widely used for water purification and cleaning and "chlorinated organic chemicals" will be found in any household.

Conclusion:

But at least at this still somewhat early point in what will likely be a continued lengthy investigation, we have absolute scientific confirmation from the OPCW that the White House once again lied us into bombing yet another Middle East country based on spurious "nerve agent" claims.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/ ... ative.html

[canta_brian]

Strategic-culture.org. Hosted in Estonia, which is not a problem. No whois info though. Unlike BBC, Washington post etc. If you won't publish your identity I don't think anything you do publish can be said to carry any weight.

[morepork]

Do they have a crossword section. Or maybe a page 3 girl.

[rowan]

BBC, Washington post

BBC and the Washington Post? The state broadcaster and mouthpiece for the most warmongering nation in history, and a publication which is basically owned and operated by the CIA!

If that's what you're reading, it's no wonder you go along with all the propaganda these guys are spinning to justify Anglo-American wars right across the Middle East.

Anyway, exactly which part of the information mentioned did you disagree with? Are you denying the OPCW's report that no trace of nerve agents was found in Douma.

Are you denying that claims of nerve agents being used was Trump's pretext to drop bombs on a sovereign nation without any legal authority to even be there in the first place?

Are you denying that the the report's brief and non-accusatory mention of chlorine was seized upon and exaggerated by the Western mainstream media to deflect attention from their own lies thus exposed?

[canta_brian]

No crossword, but their alt-news buzzword bingo is popular.

[canta_brian]

BBC, Washington post

BBC and the Washington Post? [emoji38] The state broadcaster and mouthpiece for the most warmongering nation in history, and a publication which is basically owned and operated by the CIA!

If that's what you're reading, it's no wonder you go along with all the propaganda these guys are spinning to justify Anglo-American wars right across the Middle East.

Anyway, exactly which part of the information mentioned did you disagree with? Are you denying the OPCW's report that no trace of nerve agents was found in Douma.

Are you denying that claims of nerve agents being used was Trump's pretext to drop bombs on a sovereign nation without any legal authority to even be there in the first place?

Are you denying that the the report's brief and non-accusatory mention of chlorine was seized upon and exaggerated by the Western mainstream media to deflect attention from their own lies thus exposed?

OPCW didn't gain access to Douma until the 21st of April. The attack was in the 7th. In those 2 weeks the only force in Douma was that of Assad and Russia.

I can explain what that likely means to you if you like, but I can't understand it for you so I'm not going to bother.

[rowan]

BBC, Washington post

BBC and the Washington Post? [emoji38] The state broadcaster and mouthpiece for the most warmongering nation in history, and a publication which is basically owned and operated by the CIA!

If that's what you're reading, it's no wonder you go along with all the propaganda these guys are spinning to justify Anglo-American wars right across the Middle East.

Anyway, exactly which part of the information mentioned did you disagree with? Are you denying the OPCW's report that no trace of nerve agents was found in Douma.

Are you denying that claims of nerve agents being used was Trump's pretext to drop bombs on a sovereign nation without any legal authority to even be there in the first place?

Are you denying that the the report's brief and non-accusatory mention of chlorine was seized upon and exaggerated by the Western mainstream media to deflect attention from their own lies thus exposed?

OPCW didn't gain access to Douma until the 21st of April. The attack was in the 7th. In those 2 weeks the only force in Douma was that of Assad and Russia.

I can explain what that likely means to you if you like, but I can't understand it for you so I'm not going to bother.

But nobody is disputing the report - not even the Western mainstream press - which has instead seized upon and exaggerated the brief and non-accusatory mention of chlorine to deflect attention from its principal findings. I can explain what that means to you if you like, but I can't understand it for you

[canta_brian]

BBC, Washington post

BBC and the Washington Post? [emoji38] The state broadcaster and mouthpiece for the most warmongering nation in history, and a publication which is basically owned and operated by the CIA!

If that's what you're reading, it's no wonder you go along with all the propaganda these guys are spinning to justify Anglo-American wars right across the Middle East.

Anyway, exactly which part of the information mentioned did you disagree with? Are you denying the OPCW's report that no trace of nerve agents was found in Douma.

Are you denying that claims of nerve agents being used was Trump's pretext to drop bombs on a sovereign nation without any legal authority to even be there in the first place?

Are you denying that the the report's brief and non-accusatory mention of chlorine was seized upon and exaggerated by the Western mainstream media to deflect attention from their own lies thus exposed?

OPCW didn't gain access to Douma until the 21st of April. The attack was in the 7th. In those 2 weeks the only force in Douma was that of Assad and Russia.

I can explain what that likely means to you if you like, but I can't understand it for you so I'm not going to bother.

But nobody is disputing the findings - not even the Western mainstream press - which has instead seized upon and exaggerated the brief and non-accusatory mention of chlorine to deflect attention from the report. I can explain what the means to you if you like, but I can't understand it for you

Get your own lines, and btw Richie Mo'unga rules.

[Sandydragon]

BBC, Washington post

BBC and the Washington Post? [emoji38] The state broadcaster and mouthpiece for the most warmongering nation in history, and a publication which is basically owned and operated by the CIA!

If that's what you're reading, it's no wonder you go along with all the propaganda these guys are spinning to justify Anglo-American wars right across the Middle East.

Anyway, exactly which part of the information mentioned did you disagree with? Are you denying the OPCW's report that no trace of nerve agents was found in Douma.

Are you denying that claims of nerve agents being used was Trump's pretext to drop bombs on a sovereign nation without any legal authority to even be there in the first place?

Are you denying that the the report's brief and non-accusatory mention of chlorine was seized upon and exaggerated by the Western mainstream media to deflect attention from their own lies thus exposed?

OPCW didn't gain access to Douma until the 21st of April. The attack was in the 7th. In those 2 weeks the only force in Douma was that of Assad and Russia.

I can explain what that likely means to you if you like, but I can't understand it for you so I'm not going to bother.

But nobody is disputing the report - not even the Western mainstream press - which has instead seized upon and exaggerated the brief and non-accusatory mention of chlorine to deflect attention from its principal findings. I can explain what that means to you if you like, but I can't understand it for you

Enough. Rowan, your not engaging in any kind of debate with other posters. You refuse to accept any facts presented by any other source than your own and I’ve noticed that this is spreading to other forums.


Take a break. See you in a week.

[cashead]

Lol, he joined the band.

[rowan]

Wow, another bombshell from Robert Fisk, who has, incidentally, been proved right about nerve agents not being used in Douma (contrary to US claims as a pretext for bombing) by the OPCW's findings:

Veteran Middle East war correspondent Robert Fisk recently published a bombshell report entitled, I traced missile casings in Syria back to their original sellers, so it’s time for the west to reveal who they sell arms to. In it Fisk recalls a bit of detective sleuthing he’s lately been engaged in after stumbling upon a batch of missile casings and shipment paperwork last year hidden in what he describes as “the basement of a bombed-out Islamist base in eastern Aleppo” with the words “Hughes Aircraft Co/Guided Missile Surface Attack” emblazoned on the side of the spent tubes.

Of course, the Syrian government recaptured the area from Islamist insurgents including al-Nusra terrorists and their allies in December 2016, and has made rapid gains throughout the country’s east and south since; and Fisk has been trekking around the country to see what he can find.

Readers, a small detective story. Note down this number: MFG BGM-71E-1B. And this number: STOCK NO 1410-01-300-0254. And this code: DAA A01 C-0292. I found all these numerals printed on the side of a spent missile casing lying in the basement of a bombed-out Islamist base in eastern Aleppo last year. At the top were the words “Hughes Aircraft Co”, founded in California back in the 1930s by the infamous Howard Hughes and sold in 1997 to Raytheon, the massive US defence contractor whose profits last year came to $23.35bn (£18bn). Shareholders include the Bank of America and Deutsche Bank. Raytheon’s Middle East offices can be found in Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Israel, Egypt, Turkey and Kuwait.

There were dozens of other used-up identical missile casings in the same underground room in the ruins of eastern Aleppo, with sequential codings; in other words, these anti-armour missiles – known in the trade as Tows, “Tube-launched, optically tracked and wire-guided missiles”…

More here: https://theantimedia.com/al-qaeda-weapons-syria/

[Digby]

Another take on Animal Farm per chance, Russia good berating the evil West better?

[rowan]

No, he's just proving what most of us already knew. This was no civil war but another regime change operation waged by the usual suspects with proxy terrorists, while the chemical weapons claims were as much a false flag as Bush & Bliar's WMDs claims against Iraq. This one has ended in failure, however; due in large part to Trump's apparent lack of interest in imperialist wars.