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Zhivago wrote:

Puja wrote:

morepork wrote:

That's some ugly shit to post on a rugby forum chief.

JFC Zhiv. It's not a sporting event where we're just cheering on our team - those are real actual people, general soldiers who probably don't have the first clue about the greater situation and who aren't the decision-makers, and you're excitedly sharing a video of them dying. What the fuck.

Puja

I admit I shouldn't have posted the video, it was crass.

I would like to discuss this point that you're trying to make though. It sounds like you have the opinion that only the Russian leadership bear responsibility for this war, and Russian soldiers and citizenry are completely in the dark about the whole situation and do not understand what is going on. This is in my opinion very far from reality.

There is plenty of evidence that they know full well the situation they are in (excepting only perhaps that some of the citizenry don't understand that Russia is losing). It stands to reason that if they didn't understand the situation (and in particular that Russia is losing), they wouldn't be fleeing from Kherson over these pontoons.

When Kherson is liberated it will be revealed that the atrocities exceeded those in Bucha. My sympathy does not extend to such brutes.

Yesterday, Putin held this meeting via video link, which was attended by Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Nikolai Patrushev, Director of the FSB Alexander Bortnikov, head of one of the FSB services, Deputy Director of the FSB, two representatives of the Russian Ministry of Defense and the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces and the Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service Sergei Naryshkin. At the beginning of the meeting, Putin read out the received report and invited the meeting participants to express their thoughts on the prospects for the development of events in the light of the information presented, taking into account that it is correct.

First, Putin gave the floor to Nikolai Patrushev, but he offered to give the floor to representatives of the General Staff so that they would express their positions based on the situation at the front that has developed at a given time. Putin gave the floor to a representative of the leadership of the General Staff, who literally in a few words expressed confidence that the information contained in the report corresponds to the plans of the United States, after which he said that our troops have no more offensive capabilities, and soon there will be no more opportunities for defense, and further summarized phrase: "You lost Vladimir Vladimirovich!" After that, he fell silent, and because of the shock of the participants in the meeting, who were sincerely amazed at the audacity of the general, there was a long pause, which was interrupted by Patrushev, asking the question "How do you talk to the supreme commander?"

Putin asked if this was the position of the General Staff and the Ministry of Defense and immediately received assurances that this was by no means the position of the leadership of either the General Staff or the Ministry of Defense, but simply a failure of a person who did not want to take responsibility for the failed actions at the front. After the meeting lasted no more than half an hour, during which the president was gloomy silent, and the rest squeezed out words of restrained optimism.

When Patrushev moved on to discussing the situation in the regions bordering Ukraine, reporting problems in the Belgorod region, where, according to Patrushev, as a result of sabotage, part of the city was left without electricity and water supply, Putin interrupted the report saying "Fuck ... th you tell me about Belgorod Now you are telling? There are practically only Ukrainians living there. They wet their own people there. We have problems without it above our heads. Enough." Then he concluded the meeting.

Zhivago wrote:Western half of Kupyansk was captured, Russians retreated behind the Oskil river.


Some reports coming in that the Izium pocket has surrendered. We will see. Meanwhile Ukraine has launched another pincer by Lyman. Russian telegram channels are starting to talk about a major defeat that has been inflicted on their troops. What comes next we can only wait and see, but the writing looks on the wall at this point.

Now NATO needs to make very loud announcements of the inadmissability of nuclear weapons etc. This will leave only 2 options left for Vova. Either face reality or drag this painful defeat out even longer.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Zhivago wrote:Western half of Kupyansk was captured, Russians retreated behind the Oskil river.


Some reports coming in that the Izium pocket has surrendered. We will see. Meanwhile Ukraine has launched another pincer by Lyman. Russian telegram channels are starting to talk about a major defeat that has been inflicted on their troops. What comes next we can only wait and see, but the writing looks on the wall at this point.

Now NATO needs to make very loud announcements of the inadmissability of nuclear weapons etc. This will leave only 2 options left for Vova. Either face reality or drag this painful defeat out even longer.

I don't think NATO should bring up the subject of nuclear weapons unless Russia does. Why give it any credibility as a military option? If Russia does bring it up NATO should slam it, of course.

Puja wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Zhivago wrote:Western half of Kupyansk was captured, Russians retreated behind the Oskil river.


Some reports coming in that the Izium pocket has surrendered. We will see. Meanwhile Ukraine has launched another pincer by Lyman. Russian telegram channels are starting to talk about a major defeat that has been inflicted on their troops. What comes next we can only wait and see, but the writing looks on the wall at this point.

Now NATO needs to make very loud announcements of the inadmissability of nuclear weapons etc. This will leave only 2 options left for Vova. Either face reality or drag this painful defeat out even longer.

I don't think NATO should bring up the subject of nuclear weapons unless Russia does. Why give it any credibility as a military option? If Russia does bring it up NATO should slam it, of course.

I don't think it needs to be loud, but I think that NATO need to make it clear in private communications with Putin that any use of nuclear weapons will be seen as a declaration of war, as I can easily see Putin authorising their use without any prior warning in his current situation.

Puja

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