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Sandydragon wrote:

Digby wrote:Fuck me they might have done this, though it's not beyond a recount yet it would seem. Stacey Abrams you're a bloody star, frankly even if it doesn't pan out

Its looking like Trump has f*cked the Republicans.

Just that fact is worth the Dems having fucked up all the other eminently winnable Senate races in November.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Digby wrote:Fuck me they might have done this, though it's not beyond a recount yet it would seem. Stacey Abrams you're a bloody star, frankly even if it doesn't pan out

Its looking like Trump has f*cked the Republicans.

Just that fact is worth the Dems having fucked up all the other eminently winnable Senate races in November.

Puja

In part, but they did a lot of good work in failing to get across those lines, and they've opened some doors on who can now run in the future. And there is 74 million people wanted Trump, so put a person with similar ideals but less publicity around their toxicity, venality and general incompetence in front of the voters and they will want to vote GOP, and actually a lot will vote checks and balances, so looking at it being a Democratic Congress, voting a Democratic presidential nominee, they will be inclined to vote red in the Senate

Sandydragon wrote:

Digby wrote:Fuck me they might have done this, though it's not beyond a recount yet it would seem. Stacey Abrams you're a bloody star, frankly even if it doesn't pan out

Its looking like Trump has f*cked the Republicans.

The Republicans didn't have to wed themselves to Trump, and the two in Georgia have done so in spades. Mind that you can campaign with the KKK and it's still close doesn't suggest we'll be out of the woods anytime soon

Digby wrote:

Puja wrote:

Sandydragon wrote: Its looking like Trump has f*cked the Republicans.

Just that fact is worth the Dems having fucked up all the other eminently winnable Senate races in November.

Puja

In part, but they did a lot of good work in failing to get across those lines, and they've opened some doors on who can now run in the future. And there is 74 million people wanted Trump, so put a person with similar ideals but less publicity around their toxicity, venality and general incompetence in front of the voters and they will want to vote GOP, and actually a lot will vote checks and balances, so looking at it being a Democratic Congress, voting a Democratic presidential nominee, they will be inclined to vote red in the Senate

From a distance, one of the more interesting parts of all this is how many of those 74 mill are Republican supporters who can be relied on in future elections, and how many are just trump supporters who came out for him, weird tho that might seem? Would someone with less, er, "charisma" but the same politics still get all 74 mill votes? I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a few mill of those votes disappear now that there isn't a reality TV star front and centre. And yes I realise what a freakin desperately bleak outlook on society that is.

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Donny osmond wrote:

Digby wrote:

Puja wrote:
Just that fact is worth the Dems having fucked up all the other eminently winnable Senate races in November.

Puja

In part, but they did a lot of good work in failing to get across those lines, and they've opened some doors on who can now run in the future. And there is 74 million people wanted Trump, so put a person with similar ideals but less publicity around their toxicity, venality and general incompetence in front of the voters and they will want to vote GOP, and actually a lot will vote checks and balances, so looking at it being a Democratic Congress, voting a Democratic presidential nominee, they will be inclined to vote red in the Senate

From a distance, one of the more interesting parts of all this is how many of those 74 mill are Republican supporters who can be relied on in future elections, and how many are just trump supporters who came out for him, weird tho that might seem? Would someone with less, er, "charisma" but the same politics still get all 74 mill votes? I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a few mill of those votes disappear now that there isn't a reality TV star front and centre. And yes I realise what a freakin desperately bleak outlook on society that is.

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It could get worse, a still more charismatic star might emerge from reality TV, one who isn't a lazy, thick as shit, often corrupt, fat, somewhat rapey... maybe even one who believes in sky fairies or the sky fairy I suppose

Digby wrote:

Puja wrote:

Sandydragon wrote: Its looking like Trump has f*cked the Republicans.

Just that fact is worth the Dems having fucked up all the other eminently winnable Senate races in November.

Puja

In part, but they did a lot of good work in failing to get across those lines, and they've opened some doors on who can now run in the future. And there is 74 million people wanted Trump, so put a person with similar ideals but less publicity around their toxicity, venality and general incompetence in front of the voters and they will want to vote GOP, and actually a lot will vote checks and balances, so looking at it being a Democratic Congress, voting a Democratic presidential nominee, they will be inclined to vote red in the Senate

The Republicans have been moving towards a Trumpesque president for decades. The political exchange in the US has become more toxic and less collaborative. With the rules on candidature and fund raising now within the GOP, the presidential candidacy is there for someone who is from 'outside' the traditional Republican hierarchy. The Republicans have embraced the Tea Party fully (not just Trump, wasn't it McCain who ran for President with Palin as his VP nominee?) and it will take an act of supreme political courage to cut them adrift.

Its very possible that the next Republican candidate for President will be very much like Trump, and potentially even more dangerous if they have even one ounce of intelligence.

Donny osmond wrote:

Digby wrote:

Puja wrote:
Just that fact is worth the Dems having fucked up all the other eminently winnable Senate races in November.

Puja

In part, but they did a lot of good work in failing to get across those lines, and they've opened some doors on who can now run in the future. And there is 74 million people wanted Trump, so put a person with similar ideals but less publicity around their toxicity, venality and general incompetence in front of the voters and they will want to vote GOP, and actually a lot will vote checks and balances, so looking at it being a Democratic Congress, voting a Democratic presidential nominee, they will be inclined to vote red in the Senate

From a distance, one of the more interesting parts of all this is how many of those 74 mill are Republican supporters who can be relied on in future elections, and how many are just trump supporters who came out for him, weird tho that might seem? Would someone with less, er, "charisma" but the same politics still get all 74 mill votes? I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a few mill of those votes disappear now that there isn't a reality TV star front and centre. And yes I realise what a freakin desperately bleak outlook on society that is.

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Or would the Republicans get 74 million votes if:

The Democratic candidate could potentially keel over part way through his term in office leaving a BAME woman in charge?
The Democrats didn't have a number of high profile 'leftist' Congresswomen (and of course Bernie) who the socialist charge can be applied to in varying degrees?
There hadn't been a series of riots which seemed to track party political lines in excusing/supporting them?

I wonder how many people voted Trump because they 'feared' what the Democrats would bring.

Sandydragon wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:

Digby wrote:
In part, but they did a lot of good work in failing to get across those lines, and they've opened some doors on who can now run in the future. And there is 74 million people wanted Trump, so put a person with similar ideals but less publicity around their toxicity, venality and general incompetence in front of the voters and they will want to vote GOP, and actually a lot will vote checks and balances, so looking at it being a Democratic Congress, voting a Democratic presidential nominee, they will be inclined to vote red in the Senate

From a distance, one of the more interesting parts of all this is how many of those 74 mill are Republican supporters who can be relied on in future elections, and how many are just trump supporters who came out for him, weird tho that might seem? Would someone with less, er, "charisma" but the same politics still get all 74 mill votes? I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a few mill of those votes disappear now that there isn't a reality TV star front and centre. And yes I realise what a freakin desperately bleak outlook on society that is.

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Or would the Republicans get 74 million votes if:

The Democratic candidate could potentially keel over part way through his term in office leaving a BAME woman in charge?
The Democrats didn't have a number of high profile 'leftist' Congresswomen (and of course Bernie) who the socialist charge can be applied to in varying degrees?
There hadn't been a series of riots which seemed to track party political lines in excusing/supporting them?

I wonder how many people voted Trump because they 'feared' what the Democrats would bring.

Alternately, would the Republicans have got 74 million votes if people weren't feeling left behind and thus preferred a candidate posing as an outsider who'd bring change to hidebound Washington interests* rather than a ticket that was the epitome of the establishment and offered little positive other than "We're civil and polite"?

Puja


*Yes, I'm aware that it's an incredibly obvious lie, but it's one that suckers in a lot of Trump supporters.

Stacey Abrams. You madame, are a fucking rock star.

Time for Joe to step up and be more than not trump now, stars aligned for him

(those 2 rep candidates ......vile)

Puja wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:
From a distance, one of the more interesting parts of all this is how many of those 74 mill are Republican supporters who can be relied on in future elections, and how many are just trump supporters who came out for him, weird tho that might seem? Would someone with less, er, "charisma" but the same politics still get all 74 mill votes? I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a few mill of those votes disappear now that there isn't a reality TV star front and centre. And yes I realise what a freakin desperately bleak outlook on society that is.

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Or would the Republicans get 74 million votes if:

The Democratic candidate could potentially keel over part way through his term in office leaving a BAME woman in charge?
The Democrats didn't have a number of high profile 'leftist' Congresswomen (and of course Bernie) who the socialist charge can be applied to in varying degrees?
There hadn't been a series of riots which seemed to track party political lines in excusing/supporting them?

I wonder how many people voted Trump because they 'feared' what the Democrats would bring.

Alternately, would the Republicans have got 74 million votes if people weren't feeling left behind and thus preferred a candidate posing as an outsider who'd bring change to hidebound Washington interests* rather than a ticket that was the epitome of the establishment and offered little positive other than "We're civil and polite"?

Puja


*Yes, I'm aware that it's an incredibly obvious lie, but it's one that suckers in a lot of Trump supporters.

I absolutely agree with you. This sense of being left behind is incredibly powerful, here as well as in the US. There is a reason why certain parties (i.e. the BNP and UKIP etc) have managed to convert a lot of voters - the main parties have largely taken these people for granted and ignored them. Putting aside the really unpleasant politics of the BNP, they managed ot get elected representative in Stoke On Trent because they went door to door and listened to the complaints and promised to do something about it.

morepork wrote:Stacey Abrams. You madame, are a fucking rock star.

What a turn up for the books. Standby for more crying from the fat orange idiot on hijacked votes etc, but this now gives Biden the opportunity to implement his policies (subject to Supreme Court and filibustering).

Amazing what happens when you can't get away with suppressing voting.

Puja wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:
From a distance, one of the more interesting parts of all this is how many of those 74 mill are Republican supporters who can be relied on in future elections, and how many are just trump supporters who came out for him, weird tho that might seem? Would someone with less, er, "charisma" but the same politics still get all 74 mill votes? I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a few mill of those votes disappear now that there isn't a reality TV star front and centre. And yes I realise what a freakin desperately bleak outlook on society that is.

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Or would the Republicans get 74 million votes if:

The Democratic candidate could potentially keel over part way through his term in office leaving a BAME woman in charge?
The Democrats didn't have a number of high profile 'leftist' Congresswomen (and of course Bernie) who the socialist charge can be applied to in varying degrees?
There hadn't been a series of riots which seemed to track party political lines in excusing/supporting them?

I wonder how many people voted Trump because they 'feared' what the Democrats would bring.

Alternately, would the Republicans have got 74 million votes if people weren't feeling left behind and thus preferred a candidate posing as an outsider who'd bring change to hidebound Washington interests* rather than a ticket that was the epitome of the establishment and offered little positive other than "We're civil and polite"?

Puja


*Yes, I'm aware that it's an incredibly obvious lie, but it's one that suckers in a lot of Trump supporters.

With a different Democratic candidate Trump might well have come in with a lower total, then again so might the Democrats. Like most people I'm not especially impressed with Biden, and like many I'd dismissed him as even being able to gain the nomination (as I did with Trump too), but when Biden has won a huge number of votes to suppose another ticket might have fared better is at least a little fanciful

morepork wrote:Stacey Abrams. You madame, are a fucking rock star.

The Atlanta major as well played an important role. Less than Abrams, but important.

Sandydragon wrote:

morepork wrote:Stacey Abrams. You madame, are a fucking rock star.

What a turn up for the books. Standby for more crying from the fat orange idiot on hijacked votes etc, but this now gives Biden the opportunity to implement his policies (subject to Supreme Court and filibustering).

The Dems aren't going away from places like Georgia, they're on the rise in places like Texas too. Stacey Abrams wasn't perhaps the founder of this current shift, but she really put in some groundwork to drive this change. Her attention to detail in building that momentum, and whilst she was despite repeat efforts not getting anyone to much fund what was happening to her work in Georgia early doors, is something to behold (well looking back on it, almost no one paid attention to he for a few years). She's going to be presented with a lot of job offers one presumes, maybe something building to AG, maybe elsewhere in the cabinet, but I wonder if they might not have her simply run the DNC

The demographics are moving away from the GOP. So yes they might in the midterms if voter turnout dips win back both houses, but in the longer term they've some serious problems to contend with, are they a serious party advocating conservative principles or are they a mishmash of Trumpism and the Tea Party. And if they are to be serious how to they marry the interests of the blue collar worker and the rich?

Equally with the Dems courting votes less from the blue collar workers how do they move to try and accommodate the middles classes and those deemed, wisely or otherwise, progressives? Which is to say it's hardly plain sailing from here on for the Dems

gransoporro wrote:

morepork wrote:Stacey Abrams. You madame, are a fucking rock star.

The Atlanta major as well played an important role. Less than Abrams, but important.

KLB? For sure.

The Trumpet is just a fucking shambles. The incompetence is mind blowing. Just him and his fuckwit family standing now, resplendent in glaring dog shite white.

Oof. Things are kicking off.

A group of fat white people with no cogent message or strategy storm the capitol on a whim and are met with minimal force. Back in the Summer civil rights protestors communicating a clear message of minority abuse by the authorities are met with clubs, tear gas and rubber bullets.

I'm thinking the civil rights protestors may have had a point...


Lord how I hate fat bearded crackers in trucker caps and militia costumes. A tired ignorant walking cliche.

Ffs dickheads

America is really cooking off.

You know that saying "May you live in interesting times"? That can get right in the fucking sea.

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I guess everyone has seen Death To 2020 by now*. I'm reminded about the "average person" scene when she finishes Netflix and starts watching "America". I'm making popcorn.



*If you haven't watched it, it's a good giggle.

Is the wet, orange pissbaby taking it about as well as one would expect?

He is hiding behind twitter and throwing hard man sex eyes and jaw lines at the camera making token requests for calm whist managing to whine about fabricated election injustice. Cutting a pitiful but ultimately irresponsible figure that cannot deal with the mess he made himself. He will be barricaded in some bunker by now, if not actually whisked away from the scene completely.

An adult needs to revoke his internet privileges right now before he says more stupid shit. If he want's to make a statement he can do it on camera in front of journalists or even the cracker mob itself.

How fucked up is it that entire careers at the very upper seats of power are built on perpetuating lies and falsehoods, like some stiffly dressed social influencer. Now the chooks have come home to roost and raise a generation of young utter fuckheads raised on a diet of this shit and nothing else. We don't need another centrist corporate jaunt down the middle of the river, we need a complete fucking reset.

I mean, look at these spunk baskets.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55568131

Confederate flags, cross eyed Cletus waving a flag, a 28 year old grandmother ravaged by meth in a home made statue of liberty costume, and lots of selfies.