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Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:38 pm
by Banquo
Numbers wrote:Banquo wrote:Sandydragon wrote:
Fair enough. I get your point, although I think Biggar was only ever intended to be a dirt tracker, barring an injury. Im not entirely sure that Gatland ever wanted to play Faz and Sexton together - this feels more like a hit and hope selection than a genuine strategy.
I must be one of the few (sais) who see beyond his diving and moaning and actually rate Biggar as a player, very good skill set. Bet he could play flat pretty well if allowed to.
Not many people in Wales rate his attacking prowess.
Russell should have been selected for this tour.
Different type of players in fairness. I think Biggar somewhat under-rated as an all round player; I'd also like to see him play flat.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:05 pm
by Numbers
Banquo wrote:Numbers wrote:Banquo wrote:
I must be one of the few (sais) who see beyond his diving and moaning and actually rate Biggar as a player, very good skill set. Bet he could play flat pretty well if allowed to.
Not many people in Wales rate his attacking prowess.
Russell should have been selected for this tour.
Different type of players in fairness. I think Biggar somewhat under-rated as an all round player; I'd also like to see him play flat.
This tour is about the flattest I've ever seen him play, he doesn't really fit into what we expect from a 10, little to no flair, no running threat, doesn't attack the gainline. He does the basics well and his defence is quite good and he's good at catching up and unders, but that's about it really, a reliable back up, I would have far preferred Russell as he has a point of difference.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:12 pm
by Mellsblue
jngf wrote:Also how come George North hasn't edged it past either Watson or Daly?
A) He's not in good form
B) He's injured
C) Watson and Daly are the fastest players in Britain and Ireland.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:12 pm
by Banquo
Numbers wrote:Banquo wrote:Numbers wrote:
Not many people in Wales rate his attacking prowess.
Russell should have been selected for this tour.
Different type of players in fairness. I think Biggar somewhat under-rated as an all round player; I'd also like to see him play flat.
This tour is about the flattest I've ever seen him play, he doesn't really fit into what we expect from a 10, little to no flair, no running threat, doesn't attack the gainline. He does the basics well and his defence is quite good and he's good at catching up and unders, but that's about it really, a reliable back up, I would have far preferred Russell as he has a point of difference.
and he's played well on the tour, perhaps there is something in that, then. As I said, and you agree, they are different. But the coach decided otherwise, that's his plan.
I'm not really talking about his selection tbh, just that he has gone well.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:44 pm
by Numbers
Mellsblue wrote:jngf wrote:Also how come George North hasn't edged it past either Watson or Daly?
A) He's not in good form
B) He's injured
C)
Watson and Daly are the fastest players in Britain and Ireland.
Neither of them are as quick as Johnny May or Keelan Giles or Ashton Hewitt or Christian Wade and probably Eli Walker.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:00 pm
by Mellsblue
Numbers wrote:Mellsblue wrote:jngf wrote:Also how come George North hasn't edged it past either Watson or Daly?
A) He's not in good form
B) He's injured
C)
Watson and Daly are the fastest players in Britain and Ireland.
Neither of them are as quick as Johnny May or Keelan Giles or Ashton Hewitt or Christian Wade and probably Eli Walker.
Sorry. Twas a nod to a strange post on the EMB.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:03 pm
by Numbers
Mellsblue wrote:Numbers wrote:Mellsblue wrote:
A) He's not in good form
B) He's injured
C) Watson and Daly are the fastest players in Britain and Ireland.
Neither of them are as quick as Johnny May or Keelan Giles or Ashton Hewitt or Christian Wade and probably Eli Walker.
Sorry. Twas a nod to a strange post on the EMB.
I thought it was a little odd.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:19 pm
by skidger
Mellsblue wrote:jngf wrote:Also how come George North hasn't edged it past either Watson or Daly?
A) He's not in good form
B) He's injured
C) Watson and Daly are the fastest players in Britain and Ireland.
Is Mike Brown third quickest?
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:19 pm
by bitts
skidger wrote:Mellsblue wrote:jngf wrote:Also how come George North hasn't edged it past either Watson or Daly?
A) He's not in good form
B) He's injured
C) Watson and Daly are the fastest players in Britain and Ireland.
Is Mike Brown third quickest?
I'm pretty sure his sprint training with Margot Wells has made him the quickest ever, no?
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:24 pm
by jared_7
Digby wrote:switchskier wrote: I suspect that what we'll see is much more tactical kicking to the corners and more garrryowens (a mistake).
Garryowens aren't a mistake if the other side drops the ball, as England have found at in Cardiff and Dublin, but to keep doing it is a lot of work for the chasers and people filling in where the chasers were. More kicking to the corner isn't really an option unless you can bring up the coverage, which will be tricky if the defence is happy to slide off Farrell, actually given the 10 and 12 if they want to kick for the corners one might find it easier to pick Webb over Murray to at least give the inside defence some pause for thought before focusing on JD
Its all about the flow of the game and adjusting your tactics to suit. Early on Ben Smith was struggling and of the first 4-5 Garryowens, the Lions won back 3-4 of them. While its working you should keep at it.
The problem was as soon as Smith went off and Barrett and Dagg started fielding them, the ABs looked rock solid and all the Grryowens did was turn the ball over. At that point the captain needed to have a word to Murray, or he should work it out for himself, that the tactics need to change.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:39 pm
by skidger
Have to say I quite rate Biggar. Has some limitations but never hides and puts himself on the line. Never goes missing like some fly halves do. Also think he has looked pretty good on this tour. That said not a patch on Priestland when he was in that purple patch of form. Wales looked so much more threatening back then.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:43 pm
by skidger
bitts wrote:skidger wrote:Mellsblue wrote:
A) He's not in good form
B) He's injured
C) Watson and Daly are the fastest players in Britain and Ireland.
Is Mike Brown third quickest?
I'm pretty sure his sprint training with Margot Wells has made him the quickest ever, no?
He really did seem to gain a yard of pace after working with her. Although I like to think of myself as his biggest non fan he looked so much better when he came back into the England fold at 15. Granted since around 2015 he has looked past it but fair play to the angry chav who worked at it and came back. James Haskell is still shite and a prick though.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:17 am
by Donny osmond
All the focus in this sky build up is on the lions licking options at 9, 10, 12... which kinda says everything about our chances of creating a victory by actually playing rugby
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Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:31 am
by MrK
Anyone stream recommendations?
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:40 am
by Lizard
The fuck was Itoje doing standing in the middle of that line out?
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:45 am
by Mr Mwenda
MrK wrote:Anyone stream recommendations?
Seconded, none of my usual options seem to be working!
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:46 am
by Lizard
Three promising Lions' attacks undone by unforced handling errors. Good ambition though.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:48 am
by Digby
Lizard wrote:Three promising Lions' attacks undone by unforced handling errors. Good ambition though.
Over and over the stats show it's these moments which add up to NZ wins
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:48 am
by Lord Llandaff
Scrum feeds are beyond a joke
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:48 am
by WaspInWales
Decent start tbf
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:49 am
by Banquo
Good start. Barnes predictable script being read out.
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:49 am
by WaspInWales
Lord Llandaff wrote:Scrum feeds are beyond a joke
Wasn't there a law change allowing the scrum half to line up his shoulder to the middle of the scrum and thus allowing the crooked feed?
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:49 am
by Lizard
I've got the British commentary on for a change. Who are they?
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:50 am
by Banquo
oops
Re: v AB'S - Second Test
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:50 am
by Banquo
Lizard wrote:I've got the British commentary on for a change. Who are they?
Harrison, Barnes with Greenwood and quinnel