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p/d wrote:Under similar circumstances as France, what would be our (Jones) 23?

Applying the three match maximum? No Farrell but Ford available, for example?

I’m not sure that’s possible with the existing squad. No 8 or 12 for example.

p/d wrote:Under similar circumstances as France, what would be our (Jones) 23?

Something like this

Marler
LCD
Williams
Hill
Launchbury
Hill
Willis
Simmonds??
Mitchell
Ford
Thorley
Dingwall
Marchant
Watson
Malins

Obano
Barbeary
Heyes
Ewels
Evans / Curry?
Randall??
Umaga
Steward

If Eddie couldn't pick Youngs, Farrell, Daly at 15 and threaten a forward on the wing I think he'd trigger his break clause

Epaminondas Pules wrote:

p/d wrote:Under similar circumstances as France, what would be our (Jones) 23?

Something like this

Marler
LCD
Williams
Ewels
Ribbans
Hill
Willis
Simmonds
Mitchell
Ford
Thorley
Dingwall
Marchant
Watson
Malins

Obano
Barbeary
Heyes
Moon
Evans / Curry?
Randall
Umaga
Steward??

No J Hill actually.

EDIT: No Launchbury either, so erm.....Ribbans I guess? And erm......

Isiekwe? Ewels?

Itoje apart, the quality definitely drops off but it isn't a cliff edge. The players are there

Ah forgot Furbank. So Furbank over Steward I guess.

Peej wrote:Isiekwe? Ewels?

Itoje apart, the quality definitely drops off but it isn't a cliff edge. The players are there

Think Ewels, Moon and Ribbans are next off the rank.

I'd have Isiekwe back.

Also, Wasps are being put in a challenging position losing their first choice 10 and their star back row and super sub for part of the week when they desperately need to sort their shit following a terrible performance

Epaminondas Pules wrote:

Peej wrote:Isiekwe? Ewels?

Itoje apart, the quality definitely drops off but it isn't a cliff edge. The players are there

Think Ewels, Moon and Ribbans are next off the rank.

I'd have Isiekwe back.

I rate Isiekwe over Ewels and Moon, but Eddie obviously has seen something he doesn't like (even if he's a lock that can play 6! ) Ribbans looks promising.

Peej wrote:Also, Wasps are being put in a challenging position losing their first choice 10 and their star back row and super sub for part of the week when they desperately need to sort their shit following a terrible performance

As a Tigers fan my heart literally bleeds for them.

Barbeary also played 8 for Wasps on Saturday after a back row reshuffle...

Epaminondas Pules wrote:

Peej wrote:Also, Wasps are being put in a challenging position losing their first choice 10 and their star back row and super sub for part of the week when they desperately need to sort their shit following a terrible performance

As a Tigers fan my heart literally bleeds for them.

Peej wrote:Barbeary also played 8 for Wasps on Saturday after a back row reshuffle...

Don't tell jngf..

Raggs wrote:

Peej wrote:Barbeary also played 8 for Wasps on Saturday after a back row reshuffle...

Don't tell jngf..

The BBC are reporting him in the squad this week as well....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/55139252

Peej wrote:Isiekwe? Ewels?

Itoje apart, the quality definitely drops off but it isn't a cliff edge. The players are there

Got Lawes to come back as well remember.

Itoje, Lawes and Launch, with JHill, Ewels, Ribbands etc coming up. Kruis could well be back before the next World Cup too.

I think Jonny Hill has shown up well in his brief appearances so far. Looks very handy in the lineout and physically seems to have taken the step up in his enormous stride.

Peej wrote:Also, Wasps are being put in a challenging position losing their first choice 10 and their star back row and super sub for part of the week when they desperately need to sort their shit following a terrible performance

It hadn’t really occurred to me, but with the exception of Exeter, last season’s top 5 have struggled so far. 2 defeats already for Bath and indifferent performances from Wasps, Sale and Bristol.

Admittedly, a few of those have lost a number of their best players to international duty or injury, but it’s a poor start by their standards.

Timbo wrote:

Peej wrote:Isiekwe? Ewels?

Itoje apart, the quality definitely drops off but it isn't a cliff edge. The players are there

Got Lawes to come back as well remember.

Itoje, Lawes and Launch, with JHill, Ewels, Ribbands etc coming up. Kruis could well be back before the next World Cup too.

I think Jonny Hill has shown up well in his brief appearances so far. Looks very handy in the lineout and physically seems to have taken the step up in his enormous stride.

I was curious about his weight as Jngf mentioned it. Exeter site says 112, Wiki says 134! These things often incredibly unreliable or out of days so I’d guess somewhere in the middle, but he does look massive these days.

Raggs wrote:

Peej wrote:Barbeary also played 8 for Wasps on Saturday after a back row reshuffle...

Don't tell jngf..

From seeing his Wasps performances (albeit at 6) I think he might take well to no.8

Timbo wrote:

Peej wrote:Isiekwe? Ewels?

Itoje apart, the quality definitely drops off but it isn't a cliff edge. The players are there

Got Lawes to come back as well remember.

Itoje, Lawes and Launch, with JHill, Ewels, Ribbands etc coming up. Kruis could well be back before the next World Cup too.

I think Jonny Hill has shown up well in his brief appearances so far. Looks very handy in the lineout and physically seems to have taken the step up in his enormous stride.

yeah, I was talking more from who we could pick from if we imposed the 3-game limit that France had. Agreed on Jonny Hill.

Peej wrote:Also, Wasps are being put in a challenging position losing their first choice 10 and their star back row and super sub for part of the week when they desperately need to sort their shit following a terrible performance

If only they had a couple of pricey experienced Kiwi playmakers. One of whom is on a small fortune of a salary and has 18 AB caps.

Injuries seem to be doing most the damage to Wasps but they aren't alone in that. Tigers could have really done with Genge last weekend, they wouldn't have struggled in the first half scrums Vs LI with him. Being forced to start 5th choice loosehead Bower didn't help anything.

Epaminondas Pules wrote:

Peej wrote:Also, Wasps are being put in a challenging position losing their first choice 10 and their star back row and super sub for part of the week when they desperately need to sort their shit following a terrible performance

As a Tigers fan my heart literally bleeds for them.

Mikey Brown wrote:

Timbo wrote:

Peej wrote:Isiekwe? Ewels?

Itoje apart, the quality definitely drops off but it isn't a cliff edge. The players are there

Got Lawes to come back as well remember.

Itoje, Lawes and Launch, with JHill, Ewels, Ribbands etc coming up. Kruis could well be back before the next World Cup too.

I think Jonny Hill has shown up well in his brief appearances so far. Looks very handy in the lineout and physically seems to have taken the step up in his enormous stride.

I was curious about his weight as Jngf mentioned it. Exeter site says 112, Wiki says 134! These things often incredibly unreliable or out of days so I’d guess somewhere in the middle, but he does look massive these days.

To be fair that prodigious beard might account for 3 or 4 kilos in its own right?

Wasps were missing first choice ( and quite often 2nd choice too) in 1,4,5,6,8,9,10,12,13,15 which isn't ideal.

FKAS wrote:

Peej wrote:Also, Wasps are being put in a challenging position losing their first choice 10 and their star back row and super sub for part of the week when they desperately need to sort their shit following a terrible performance

If only they had a couple of pricey experienced Kiwi playmakers. One of whom is on a small fortune of a salary and has 18 AB caps.

Injuries seem to be doing most the damage to Wasps but they aren't alone in that. Tigers could have really done with Genge last weekend, they wouldn't have struggled in the first half scrums Vs LI with him. Being forced to start 5th choice loosehead Bower didn't help anything.

True. But even having a 2001-vintage Wilkinson would mean fuck all if you don't have a pack that can you win you any ball