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Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:03 pm
by jngf
Oakboy wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:54 pm
jngf wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:16 pm
Oakboy wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:34 pm I'd be surprised if SB made changes to the front five forwards because there are no better alternatives. I doubt if he'll change the wings or FB, though there are alternatives.

That leaves the back row and midfield.

I can't guess on the backrow. I'd play both Willises and Curry but I doubt SB will drop Ludlam.

I'd not be surprised to see Mitchell, Farrell, Tuilagi and Marchant starting. I would not pick Tuilagi but I'd guess that SB will.
Oakboy would you play Curry at 7 and move J Willis to 6 and what do you think the former might bring to the party?
Banquo has answered for me. Both have played at 6 or 7 for their clubs.
I would see a significant drop in ball carrying power and lineout jumping were B Curry to replace Ludlam at blindside flanker ( using full role rather than number shorthand for Banquo :) )

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:31 pm
by Mikey Brown
I can’t believe I’m indulging this again but has been actually played 6 at all? I feel like Tom only ever really shifted to 6 for Sale to accommodate Ben and his delightful linking game.

I mean obviously it doesn’t matter in the slightest. Willis and Curry would be a good pair that cover a lot of bases, but Willis at 6 does make more sense to me.

What’s Ludlam like in the backfield as an 8?

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:45 pm
by Stom
Mikey Brown wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:31 pm I can’t believe I’m indulging this again but has been actually played 6 at all? I feel like Tom only ever really shifted to 6 for Sale to accommodate Ben and his delightful linking game.

I mean obviously it doesn’t matter in the slightest. Willis and Curry would be a good pair that cover a lot of bases, but Willis at 6 does make more sense to me.

What’s Ludlam like in the backfield as an 8?
Tbh, one of Willis’s rare weaknesses is that he’s not the quickest off the scrum or set piece. The curries are much quicker, which means if we pair Willis with a curry, Jack plays 6.

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:53 pm
by Banquo
jngf wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:03 pm
Oakboy wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:54 pm
jngf wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:16 pm

Oakboy would you play Curry at 7 and move J Willis to 6 and what do you think the former might bring to the party?
Banquo has answered for me. Both have played at 6 or 7 for their clubs.
I would see a significant drop in ball carrying power and lineout jumping were B Curry to replace Ludlam at blindside flanker ( using full role rather than number shorthand for Banquo :) )
Not only did you not answer the question, but you didnt even answer your own!

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:16 pm
by Danno
Gods, the bald men and combs in here atm

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:21 pm
by Mikey Brown
Danno wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:16 pm Gods, the bald men and combs in here atm
Is that really the phrase you’re looking for? Despite what happened on Saturday I’d say flanker is still one area I’m more than happy with the options.

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:48 pm
by Danno
Mikey Brown wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:21 pm
Danno wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:16 pm Gods, the bald men and combs in here atm
Is that really the phrase you’re looking for? Despite what happened on Saturday I’d say flanker is still one area I’m more than happy with the options.
Yeah I'm fairly happy with it, but the flanker point is one I'm happy to concede (my comment was aimed in a very general or Scarface manner)

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:52 am
by Mellsblue
Just to let you know that Stuart Barnes would select Earl at 12 this weekend.

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:36 am
by Banquo
Danno wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:16 pm Gods, the bald men and combs in here atm
Bit personal :lol: :lol:

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:37 am
by Danno
Banquo wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:36 am
Danno wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:16 pm Gods, the bald men and combs in here atm
Bit personal :lol: :lol:
I'm one of 'em!

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:40 am
by Mr Mwenda
It is a nice comb, though. Ivory handle and all.

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:20 am
by Banquo
Mellsblue wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:52 am Just to let you know that Stuart Barnes would select Earl at 12 this weekend.
Saw that, struggle to believe he actually said it though, even if its actually written down :lol: :lol:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/six- ... -fndgsbptz

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:23 am
by Banquo
Cheers Mack! Nice way to help galvanise the troops...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mack ... -lghb5z9qf

The Ireland wing Mack Hansen has said that his team will be fuelled by “a fair bit of hatred” when they take on England on Saturday in Dublin.

Hansen, 24, grew up in Australia but moved to Ireland in 2021 and qualifies for the national side through his mother, who was born in Cork. He said: “I don’t know if I should say too much. There’s a fair bit of hatred, isn’t there?

“It’s good, though, because once the game is done they are good lads like everyone else.

“That shit happened . . . how long ago now? But it does add a bit of fire to the game. I was unlucky that I didn’t get to play last year, so fingers crossed I get to play next Saturday.”

Asked about the awareness in his native Australia of Ireland’s historic rivalry with England, Hansen said: “I think everybody hates England in general. It’s something I was aware of, for sure.”

On Saturday, with St Patrick’s Day festivities in full swing, a win for Andy Farrell’s side will enable Dublin to witness an Irish grand slam for the first time.

If they manage it, it will be only the fourth grand slam in their history: the most recent came with victory over England at Twickenham in 2018, nine years before that it was clinched by beating Wales in Cardiff, while the first, which came before the term “grand slam” had become commonplace, was achieved with a victory over Wales at Ravenhill in Belfast in 1948.

Ireland were firm favourites to win Saturday’s match even before England were trounced by France at Twickenham, although the raft of injuries suffered by Ireland during their victory over Scotland at Murrayfield on Sunday threatened to diminish their resources. It was confirmed on Monday that Garry Ringrose, the centre, and Iain Henderson, the lock, will miss the game against England with a head injury and a fractured forearm respectively.

The hip injury suffered by Caelan Doris, the No 8, and the shoulder injuries to the hookers, Dan Sheehan and Ronan Kelleher, will be managed in Ireland’s camp this week, but Farrell, the head coach, was forced to call up two uncapped players yesterday in Tom Stewart, 22, the Ulster hooker, and Ross Molony, 28, the Leinster lock.

There is another experienced hooker in the squad in Rob Herring, also of Ulster, who has 33 caps to his name, and started the victory over France in Dublin last month. Another hooker, Dave Heffernan, of Connacht, featured on the successful tour to New Zealand last summer, demonstrating that this is a position in which Farrell has plenty of depth.

Even without a fit hooker at Murrayfield, Ireland made the most of the situation, with Josh van der Flier, the open-side flanker, throwing into the lineout successfully five times out of seven and Cian Healy packing down in the middle of the front row. Such circumstances would have caused chaos in teams less well organised, but Ireland’s ability to cope, and the skill of their on-field leaders in maintaining the side’s direction, was yet another example of the resourcefulness that has underpinned their success under Farrell.

“We have a lot of people like [Johnny] Sexton and [Conor] Murray who’ve been around a long time and understand what you’ve got to do in those situations,” Bernard Jackman, the former Ireland hooker, told The Times’s Ruck podcast. “If we’re to win this grand slam, it’s all of those little things added together. We’re not like France where we have someone like [Antoine] Dupont or we have this massive pack and on our day we can steamroller teams.

“We’ve got a really good mix of skill, athleticism and street-smarts, that in a game that’s there to be won or lost, may be the difference. Farrell has proven to be a phenomenal head coach. What he’s done with this team is exceptional.”

Van der Flier, World Rugby’s player of the year for 2022, did more than pass muster with his delivery into the lineouts. He was also Ireland’s top tackler with 17 and was his usual influential self around the field. Although his lineout throwing had not been seen in public before, it is a back-up skill he has been working on for some time.


“When I was in the academy, I used to mess about in the gym doing hooker throws,” he said. “It’s something we’ve talked about and practised the odd time, because a hooker can get yellow-carded or you get two injuries like that. But it’s something we talk about and we have a rough plan if it happens.”

Ireland were tested in Edinburgh in ways that would have disconcerted many teams, but exhibited enough of those “street smarts” to find a way out. Farrell will need to patch up certain areas of his side after the injuries at Murrayfield before he names his team to face England but, among supporters, the plans for a first grand-slam party in Dublin are already well advanced.

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:39 am
by Mikey Brown
Is that really anything at all? "They are good lads" might undercut the galvanising effect a bit.

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:41 am
by Banquo
Mikey Brown wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:39 am Is that really anything at all? "They are good lads" might undercut the galvanising effect a bit.
I'd think 'everyone hates England in general' might motivate a few of the England cheps, as if they needed it.

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:48 am
by Mr Mwenda
I remember Jonno talking about using hatred as a motivator in his book, referring specifically to the Dublin showdown in 2003. It seemed to be a method for using anything as fuel to do the job. Presumably everybody draws on whatever resources are to hand even though it's not nice. Hansen sounds a bit ignorant, perhaps unsurprisingly like a plastic paddy. Many Irish fans in my experience speak with a bit more nuance than that - I've had people say they always respect the English for their willingness to come to Dublin in the troubles. Likewise, I fondly remember being in a Belfast pub full of Irish people cheering England in the world cup final in 2003.

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:52 am
by Banquo
Mr Mwenda wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:48 am I remember Jonno talking about using hatred as a motivator in his book, referring specifically to the Dublin showdown in 2003. It seemed to be a method for using anything as fuel to do the job. Presumably everybody draws on whatever resources are to hand even though it's not nice. Hansen sounds a bit ignorant, perhaps unsurprisingly like a plastic paddy. Many Irish fans in my experience speak with a bit more nuance than that - I've had people say they always respect the English for their willingness to come to Dublin in the troubles. Likewise, I fondly remember being in a Belfast pub full of Irish people cheering England in the world cup final in 2003.
Well quite- it all helps. Different folks are motivated by different things, but a unifying theme can be very helpful....especially as a lot of the perceived issue with England seemed to be mindset. Personally, I tried to remain focused on just doing my job well which included effort and aggression :)

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:56 am
by FKAS
Banquo wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:20 am
Mellsblue wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:52 am Just to let you know that Stuart Barnes would select Earl at 12 this weekend.
Saw that, struggle to believe he actually said it though, even if its actually written down :lol: :lol:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/six- ... -fndgsbptz
:lol: I think Barnes also came up with the idea that England would have done much better without a traditional 10 in charge Vs France (an apparent dig at Smith). I dunno what meds he's on but the docs need to dial them down before the old boy does himself a mischief.

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:56 am
by Mr Mwenda
Banquo wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:41 am
Mikey Brown wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:39 am Is that really anything at all? "They are good lads" might undercut the galvanising effect a bit.
I'd think 'everyone hates England in general' might motivate a few of the England cheps, as if they needed it.
Our local ice hockey team, Färjestad, has a team song which describes a dream where everyone in Sweden had seen the light and started cheering for them. The speaker then awakes and realises that things in reality are just as good - "us and no one else, us against everyone else. Yes, that is how it should be". I sometimes think it is an England song. When England loses, the world crows and jeers. When England wins, they beat the world. "Now it is just us that sing" ;)

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:01 am
by Mr Mwenda
Banquo wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:52 am

Personally, I tried to remain focused on just doing my job well which included effort and aggression :)
Amen. I often find having people going bananas or forcing everyone into an extreme ritual disrupts my own prep.

My favourite one was at uni. QUB's big deal was a call and response thing before the kick off and in the changing room.
Captain: "who the fuck are we?"
Team: "Queen's"

I always struggled not to collapse into giggles.

The song after winning matches was fun though.

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:03 am
by Banquo
Mr Mwenda wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:01 am
Banquo wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:52 am

Personally, I tried to remain focused on just doing my job well which included effort and aggression :)
Amen. I often find having people going bananas or forcing everyone into an extreme ritual disrupts my own prep.

My favourite one was at uni. QUB's big deal was a call and response thing before the kick off and in the changing room.
Captain: "who the fuck are we?"
Team: "Queen's"

I always struggled not to collapse into giggles.

The song after winning matches was fun though.
But when skippering/coaching, you have to find ways of getting everyone in the right 'zone'- part of knowing how they all tick.

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:05 am
by Banquo
Mr Mwenda wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:01 am
Banquo wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:52 am

Personally, I tried to remain focused on just doing my job well which included effort and aggression :)
Amen. I often find having people going bananas or forcing everyone into an extreme ritual disrupts my own prep.

My favourite one was at uni. QUB's big deal was a call and response thing before the kick off and in the changing room.
Captain: "who the fuck are we?"
Team: "Queen's"

I always struggled not to collapse into giggles.

The song after winning matches was fun though.
Lol. We had skipper who said.....we must remember the three c's.....

Courage
Commitment
....too long a pause, and some wag said
Kettle.

well I laughed.

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:08 am
by Mr Mwenda
Banquo wrote: Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:03 am
But when skippering/coaching, you have to find ways of getting everyone in the right 'zone'- part of knowing how they all tick.
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I actually think this is one of the most important and misunderstood aspects of leadership. The captains that I have butted heads with are those who see anyone doing their own thing as inherently a threat.

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:31 pm
by Oakboy
I always liked Gareth's story about the forwards. Two different plays were enough for them and he dictated which, per coach's instructions, by shouting a word beginning with 'p' or 's'. He called psychology just to enjoy the subsequent carnage.

Re: Ireland to finish

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:04 pm
by Spiffy
Hansen's a good rugby player but a silly bugger. He'd be better to say nowt. Of course, he's from Australia.