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Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:43 am

Puja wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:13 pm

fivepointer wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:36 pm SB missed a trick by not having a look at Atkinson or Kelly, hence the shoehorning of players into 12 that are more naturally suited to 13.
Its where we are. If Porter comes good, then he makes himself an option for the final squad.

I'm really not sure either of them are ready for primetime yet. We're so keen to have a natural 12 that we see the best in everything they do and elide the bad moments.

Puja

what's a natural 12, out of interest?

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 11:32 am

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:43 am

Puja wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:13 pm

I'm really not sure either of them are ready for primetime yet. We're so keen to have a natural 12 that we see the best in everything they do and elide the bad moments.

Puja

what's a natural 12, out of interest?

In this instance, someone who plays there for his club and counts it as their position, rather than the latest in the line of "Sure, I bet he *could* do it. He's got the basic skills for it."

Puja

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:37 am This is where Care and Smith need to stake their claim. Wales have a mobile pack but we should be able to exert pressure at the set piece. Keep Wales in their half so their big midfield can't get them quick ball in dangerous areas, pile pressure on the young flyhalf Costelow.

Show their skill set at the right time and that they can manage an international game.

I do hope we have been practising with Martin stood out to line up big ball carriers coming down Smith's channel. It's a favourite Gatland Ball tactic and he's got the technique to stop it.

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:07 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:37 am This is where Care and Smith need to stake their claim. Wales have a mobile pack but we should be able to exert pressure at the set piece. Keep Wales in their half so their big midfield can't get them quick ball in dangerous areas, pile pressure on the young flyhalf Costelow.

Show their skill set at the right time and that they can manage an international game.

I do hope we have been practising with Martin stood out to line up big ball carriers coming down Smith's channel. It's a favourite Gatland Ball tactic and he's got the technique to stop it.

I’d quite like to see what happens if Jac Morgan runs at George Martin.

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:07 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:37 am This is where Care and Smith need to stake their claim. Wales have a mobile pack but we should be able to exert pressure at the set piece. Keep Wales in their half so their big midfield can't get them quick ball in dangerous areas, pile pressure on the young flyhalf Costelow.

Show their skill set at the right time and that they can manage an international game.

I do hope we have been practising with Martin stood out to line up big ball carriers coming down Smith's channel. It's a favourite Gatland Ball tactic and he's got the technique to stop it.

I’d quite like to see what happens if Jac Morgan runs at George

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:02 pm

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:07 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:37 am This is where Care and Smith need to stake their claim. Wales have a mobile pack but we should be able to exert pressure at the set piece. Keep Wales in their half so their big midfield can't get them quick ball in dangerous areas, pile pressure on the young flyhalf Costelow.

Show their skill set at the right time and that they can manage an international game.

I do hope we have been practising with Martin stood out to line up big ball carriers coming down Smith's channel. It's a favourite Gatland Ball tactic and he's got the technique to stop it.

I’d quite like to see what happens if Jac Morgan runs at George Martin.

From watching him play in his biggest step up so far - Leinster away - it's a little underwhelming but pleasing - he's not got an ego to making big tackles, so he's very unlikely to try and outmasculine a big runner and risk getting bounced. Much more likely to just take his legs away from him.

Puja

jngf wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:56 pm

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:07 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:37 am This is where Care and Smith need to stake their claim. Wales have a mobile pack but we should be able to exert pressure at the set piece. Keep Wales in their half so their big midfield can't get them quick ball in dangerous areas, pile pressure on the young flyhalf Costelow.

Show their skill set at the right time and that they can manage an international game.

I do hope we have been practising with Martin stood out to line up big ball carriers coming down Smith's channel. It's a favourite Gatland Ball tactic and he's got the technique to stop it.

I’d quite like to see what happens if Jac Morgan runs at George

Unless I’m missing something here? Jac Morgan (at 5’11” and 16 stone) is no more of a livathon 8 than Sam Simmonds is… and nowhere near the physical size of Martin (6’6” and 19 stone or thereabouts)

jngf wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:56 pm

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:07 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:37 am This is where Care and Smith need to stake their claim. Wales have a mobile pack but we should be able to exert pressure at the set piece. Keep Wales in their half so their big midfield can't get them quick ball in dangerous areas, pile pressure on the young flyhalf Costelow.

Show their skill set at the right time and that they can manage an international game.

I do hope we have been practising with Martin stood out to line up big ball carriers coming down Smith's channel. It's a favourite Gatland Ball tactic and he's got the technique to stop it.

I’d quite like to see what happens if Jac Morgan runs at George

Unless I’m missing something here? Jac Morgan (at 5’11” and 16 stone) is no more of a livathon 8 than Sam Simmonds is… and nowhere near the physical size of Martin (6’6” and 19 stone or thereabouts)

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 3:51 pm

jngf wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:56 pm

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:07 pm

I’d quite like to see what happens if Jac Morgan runs at George

Unless I’m missing something here? Jac Morgan (at 5’11” and 16 stone) is no more of a livathon 8 than Sam Simmonds is… and nowhere near the physical size of Martin (6’6” and 19 stone or thereabouts)

This is a fantastic illustration of why people tend to base their opinions on the actions of players on the pitch, rather than the heights and weights that you read about online.

Would you rather tackle Billy Twelvetrees or Scott Gibbs?

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 3:51 pm

jngf wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:56 pm

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:07 pm

I’d quite like to see what happens if Jac Morgan runs at George

Unless I’m missing something here? Jac Morgan (at 5’11” and 16 stone) is no more of a livathon 8 than Sam Simmonds is… and nowhere near the physical size of Martin (6’6” and 19 stone or thereabouts)

This is a fantastic illustration of why people tend to base their opinions on the actions of players on the pitch, rather than the heights and weights that you read about online.

Would you rather tackle Billy Twelvetrees or Scott Gibbs?

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:37 am This is where Care and Smith need to stake their claim. Wales have a mobile pack but we should be able to exert pressure at the set piece. Keep Wales in their half so their big midfield can't get them quick ball in dangerous areas, pile pressure on the young flyhalf Costelow.

Show their skill set at the right time and that they can manage an international game.

I do hope we have been practising with Martin stood out to line up big ball carriers coming down Smith's channel. It's a favourite Gatland Ball tactic and he's got the technique to stop it.

MrK wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:41 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:37 am This is where Care and Smith need to stake their claim. Wales have a mobile pack but we should be able to exert pressure at the set piece. Keep Wales in their half so their big midfield can't get them quick ball in dangerous areas, pile pressure on the young flyhalf Costelow.

Show their skill set at the right time and that they can manage an international game.

I do hope we have been practising with Martin stood out to line up big ball carriers coming down Smith's channel. It's a favourite Gatland Ball tactic and he's got the technique to stop it.

It’s not that mobile a pack- and outside of Stuart the Welsh front 5 is heavier than the England opposite number (on paper)

I’m not a size = power advocate, but out front row has been picked for scrummaging, not mobility.

Be interesting to see how it goes. Tshiunza needs a big game to make the 33.

Looking forward to seeing Llewelyn and hopefully Grady at some point.

For us it’s more about trying to find combinations and a game plan that at least gets us out of the group following a terrible 12 months.

I know it’s easy to say, and of course I always want to win, but if we put in a competitive performance and the new caps look comfortable I’ll take that .. if we get a dicking of course, i don’t know where we go

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:49 pm ideas from training camp coming together on the pitch

16th man wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:28 am

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:49 pm ideas from training camp coming together on the pitch

Hang on, aren't we supposed to hide those things so that no one can think about them?

Anything more advanced than one out then boot it in the air is tantamount to giving a full press conference on all our backs moves.

Puja wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:38 am

16th man wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:28 am

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:49 pm ideas from training camp coming together on the pitch

Hang on, aren't we supposed to hide those things so that no one can think about them?

Anything more advanced than one out then boot it in the air is tantamount to giving a full press conference on all our backs moves.

That's why Eddie's ahead of the game in losing all four of his pre-RWC matches - he ain't shown nobody nuffink.

Puja

16th man wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:28 am

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 8:49 pm ideas from training camp coming together on the pitch

Hang on, aren't we supposed to hide those things so that no one can think about them?

Anything more advanced than one out then boot it in the air is tantamount to giving a full press conference on all our backs moves.