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Banquo wrote:

twitchy wrote:Populism, seriously? While we are brexiting? What is your point exactly?

That Jezza has the luxury of doing and saying what he wants without consequence, and fair play to him. Doesn't mean I have to not retch a little tho.

Jezza is also an arch brexiteer, so quite how he has aligned himself with the kids is quite an act.

What was your point in posting the speech, exactly

(and oh and May...I actually nearly feel sorry for her- incapable of reacting in the way required today to events. almost)

So we have changed from UNELECTABLE COMMIE JOKE to WHY WONT YOU NUKE THE IRA JIHADI JEZZA to OH GOD WHY CAN YOU TALK TO THE YOUNG AND WORKING CLASS PEOPLE -

twitchy wrote:

Banquo wrote:

twitchy wrote:Populism, seriously? While we are brexiting? What is your point exactly?

That Jezza has the luxury of doing and saying what he wants without consequence, and fair play to him. Doesn't mean I have to not retch a little tho.

Jezza is also an arch brexiteer, so quite how he has aligned himself with the kids is quite an act.

What was your point in posting the speech, exactly

(and oh and May...I actually nearly feel sorry for her- incapable of reacting in the way required today to events. almost)

So we have changed from UNELECTABLE COMMIE JOKE to WHY WONT YOU NUKE THE IRA JIHADI JEZZA to OH GOD WHY CAN YOU TALK TO THE YOUNG AND WORKING CLASS PEOPLE -

Not really. Good use of caps though. I get it, you rate Jezza. I don't. Doesn't make either of us bad people.

Banquo wrote:

twitchy wrote:

Banquo wrote: That Jezza has the luxury of doing and saying what he wants without consequence, and fair play to him. Doesn't mean I have to not retch a little tho.

Jezza is also an arch brexiteer, so quite how he has aligned himself with the kids is quite an act.

What was your point in posting the speech, exactly

(and oh and May...I actually nearly feel sorry for her- incapable of reacting in the way required today to events. almost)

So we have changed from UNELECTABLE COMMIE JOKE to WHY WONT YOU NUKE THE IRA JIHADI JEZZA to OH GOD WHY CAN YOU TALK TO THE YOUNG AND WORKING CLASS PEOPLE -

Not really. Good use of caps though. I get it, you rate Jezza. I don't. Doesn't make either of us bad people.

Did you watch the video I posted.

twitchy wrote:

Banquo wrote:

twitchy wrote:
So we have changed from UNELECTABLE COMMIE JOKE to WHY WONT YOU NUKE THE IRA JIHADI JEZZA to OH GOD WHY CAN YOU TALK TO THE YOUNG AND WORKING CLASS PEOPLE -

Not really. Good use of caps though. I get it, you rate Jezza. I don't. Doesn't make either of us bad people.

Did you watch the video I posted.

which one? about a disabled person. Yes, its awful. I have no context for it, but its heart wrenching. What's your point?

No context? You didn't watch it .

twitchy wrote:No context? You didn't watch it .

I did, perhaps context was the wrong word; but I don't know when this happened or why or who filmed it. But it is heartwrenching, what do you want me to say? Folks like this are meant to have a safety net, so I don't know what has happened and why the HA have not been able to prioritise her accessibility.

Banquo wrote:

twitchy wrote:No context? You didn't watch it .

I did, perhaps context was the wrong word; but I don't know when this happened or why or who filmed it. But it is heartwrenching, what do you want me to say? Folks like this are meant to have a safety net, so I don't know what has happened and why the HA have not been able to prioritise her accessibility.

You are an intelligent guy I'm not buying this. You know exactly how tory policies work.

twitchy wrote:

Banquo wrote:

twitchy wrote:No context? You didn't watch it .

I did, perhaps context was the wrong word; but I don't know when this happened or why or who filmed it. But it is heartwrenching, what do you want me to say? Folks like this are meant to have a safety net, so I don't know what has happened and why the HA have not been able to prioritise her accessibility.

You are an intelligent guy I'm not buying this. You know exactly how tory policies work.

yes, but what do you expect me to say? I just don't rate Jezza....doesn't mean I rate the tories either, they are shyte. We desperately need a sensible centre ground.

(And frankly even with cuts/Tory policies, the local authority surely can do better than this, its outrageous)

What is becoming apparent tis that most councils have abdicated their responsibilities for social housing to third parties without any sensible controls to ensure that the service offered is suitable.

Sandydragon wrote:What is becoming apparent tis that most councils have abdicated their responsibilities for social housing to third parties without any sensible controls to ensure that the service offered is suitable.

Its also pretty clear that builders have taken the cheapest possible interpretation of regulations- and frankly, that's probably always been the case- and I wonder what building inspectors have been doing; and as you say, the governance from above seems fatally flawed.

(I'll bet its not just social housing either)

And poof in a cloud of blue smoke, TM reveals her very own secret Money Tree

Will TM kindly explain to us why in the name of austerity there has been a necessary public sector pay freeze, swathing cuts to welfare and disability benefits and a slashing of funding to schools and hospitals but she can suddenly find £1bn from a cocoa tin under her bed to bribe 10 rabid loonies for their votes in parliament to shore up her weak and feeble government and overcome the calamity of a totally unnecessary election that was her and only her decision to call?

Probably not, it will be arrogantly brushed off as in the national interests

I keep reading that post and it makes me feel kind of ill. My god I hate that woman.

Which Tyler wrote:And poof in a cloud of blue smoke, TM reveals her very own secret Money Tree

Will TM kindly explain to us why in the name of austerity there has been a necessary public sector pay freeze, swathing cuts to welfare and disability benefits and a slashing of funding to schools and hospitals but she can suddenly find £1bn from a cocoa tin under her bed to bribe 10 rabid loonies for their votes in parliament to shore up her weak and feeble government and overcome the calamity of a totally unnecessary election that was her and only her decision to call?

Probably not, it will be arrogantly brushed off as in the national interests

....and the rest as she will undoubtedly have to stump up more to calm everyone else down. At the same time as the Queen gets an 8% increase in spend.

They really think that they can continue to treat us as fools.

Which Tyler wrote:And poof in a cloud of blue smoke, TM reveals her very own secret Money Tree

Will TM kindly explain to us why in the name of austerity there has been a necessary public sector pay freeze, swathing cuts to welfare and disability benefits and a slashing of funding to schools and hospitals but she can suddenly find £1bn from a cocoa tin under her bed to bribe 10 rabid loonies for their votes in parliament to shore up her weak and feeble government and overcome the calamity of a totally unnecessary election that was her and only her decision to call?

Probably not, it will be arrogantly brushed off as in the national interests

....and the rest as she will undoubtedly have to stump up more to calm everyone else down. At the same time as the Queen gets an 8% increase in spend- which may be 'justifiable', but really...

They really think that they can continue to treat us as fools.

(in the scheme of things £1bn isn't a huge amount of money, but the messaging is ridiculous)

Banquo wrote:They really think that they can continue to treat us as fools.

They can, it's (in their opinion) 5 years before we can do anything about it; and by then we'll have all forgotten about this; and even if we haven't it'll be as nothing compared to everything else going on over the next 5 years.

Which Tyler wrote:

Banquo wrote:They really think that they can continue to treat us as fools.

They can, it's (in their opinion) 5 years before we can do anything about it; and by then we'll have all forgotten about this; and even if we haven't it'll be as nothing compared to everything else going on over the next 5 years.

Don't think there is a cat in hells chance of 5 years. Only takes an MP or two to die or rebel (can see a tory or two going LibDem; can see Ruth Davidson going UDI).....

I also think there is a genuine chance of serious civil disobedience with what's being revealed and with McDonnell agitation agenda.

Banquo wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:

Banquo wrote:They really think that they can continue to treat us as fools.

They can, it's (in their opinion) 5 years before we can do anything about it; and by then we'll have all forgotten about this; and even if we haven't it'll be as nothing compared to everything else going on over the next 5 years.

Don't think there is a cat in hells chance of 5 years. Only takes an MP or two to die or rebel (can see a tory or two going LibDem; can see Ruth Davidson going UDI).....

I also think there is a genuine chance of serious civil disobedience with what's being revealed and with McDonnell agitation agenda.

Its going to be interesting and there is no way it will be a 5 year parliament.

How successful anything can be will probably depend on Labour. If Scottish Conservatives, Liberal conservatives from England and Wales and the DUP force a move away from the hardest of Brexit, can May find enough support to overcome the 50 or so right wing MPs in her party who just want to walk away from the EU with nothing? It will need a lot of cross party support to get any deal through (assuming one is on the table, but I think its in everyones best interest for a deal to be available). The Lib Dems may support a deal that keeps some of the current trading benefits, but will they demand a second referendum for their support? How many Labour MPs will support a compromise deal? Does Labour even have a policy yet and can Corbyn overcome his life long opposition to the EU to accept something other than hard brexit?

Meanwhile, I quite agree that McDonnell will be stirring things up with the party's activist base which will be interesting, even if the Tories had a majority.

Will the Queen's Speech pass? That would be interesting...

This is how negotiations work. When the Lib Dems got their free school meals and raising of the personal allowance was it portrayed as a bribe or was it spun as the lovely Lib Dems doing nice things for kids and the working poor. It was the latter, of course, and rightly so. When the evil DUP want extra money for the NHS and infrastructure projects (things Corbyn put front and centre of his plan for the country) it's a cash bribe.......

Defending the DUP, eeeerrrrgggghhhh.

Stom wrote:Will the Queen's Speech pass? That would be interesting...

There is absolutely no desire within the Conservative party for another election. The DUP may taste bad to many a Conservative MP but a Corbyn government would give them food poisoning.

Mellsblue wrote:This is how negotiations work. When the Lib Dems got their free school meals and raising of the personal allowance was it portrayed as a bribe or was it spun as the lovely Lib Dems doing nice things for kids and the working poor. It was the latter, of course, and rightly so. When the evil DUP want extra money for the NHS and infrastructure projects (things Corbyn put front and centre of his plan for the country) it's a cash bribe.......

Defending the DUP, eeeerrrrgggghhhh.

Exactly. If Labour needed another 10 or so votes to form a feasible government then they would be promising all sorts to the Lib Dems or SNP. Going back to 2010 and the rainbow coalition including the SNP, Lib Dems, Greens and Plaid would have had a fair old shopping list of demands for their continued support of a Brown government. This horse trading is perfectly common in many countries - we just aren't as used to it here.

Are the complaints around the compromise or the scale of the compromise?

I thought it was clearly the latter.

Stom wrote:Will the Queen's Speech pass? That would be interesting...

why not?

jared_7 wrote:Are the complaints around the compromise or the scale of the compromise?

I thought it was clearly the latter.

I seem to recall complaint about the Conservatives even taking to the DUP. As for the scale, do you think the SNP or PC would be less ambitious in their demands?