Trump

[Which Tyler]

Wow.

https://khn.org/news/article/trumps-par ... ssion=true

Not that surprising.
It was pretty much a list of people imprisoned for serious fraud / corruption

[Which Tyler]

[cashead]

Yeah, they'd be open to civil prosecutions where the threshold of evidence is much lower (case in point: OJ was found not guilty of murder, but was found guilty in a civil suit by Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown's families). A pardon requires an admission of guilt, so yeah, I hope those fuckers are bled dry.

[cashead]

Fighting fascists is not going to do anything for the next generation...

To get rid of fascists, you need to change the message. And as we're in this mess already, we need to be patient with it.

Be forceful with imposing the current laws, but don't make up new ones.

Doesn't your favourite, Zizek, talk about fascism as an inevitability? It's bought about by social situations that create a perfect storm.

There's only one rule needed: the only good nazi is a dead nazi.

A nazi doesn't become a nazi just because they get told to pound sand for being a nazi, they already are one.

[Mikey Brown]

You can’t see any hint of a slippery slope when you decide whole groups of people are less deserving of life because of their beliefs?

[Digby]

The fetishistic emphasis on STEM subjects at the expense of MESH subjects is how we ended up where we are.

Just where are you seeing the dangerous over reach of science and a scientifically literate populace?

What do you think happens when you de-emphasise subjects that have a focus on building critical thinking skills, you sealioning fuck.

Is swearing indicative of this critical thinking, and why does science not entail critical thinking? I'm not going to argue we shouldn't have the soft subjects at unis and the like, I did economics myself and these days to go to a decent uni I might be inclined to go down the PPE route because the maths is typically much more demanding than was the case twenty odd years ago. Nonetheless I'd be more inclined to think we need to do more to promote the sciences, both in terms of a population even if not grasping the detail understands some of the thinking process involved and the actual output of science grads, rather than to think our policy is being overly driven by science.

I might as an aside quibbled the swearing, but in this instance it prompted me to look up the meaning sealioning, and mostly I wonder what some people observed in sea lions that put them in mind of bad faith arguments

[cashead]

You can’t see any hint of a slippery slope when you decide whole groups of people are less deserving of life because of their beliefs?

Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.

William Tecumseh Sherman had the right idea when he got to Atlanta.

Look at how the Confederate States of America have had their image thoroughly rehabilitated to the point where those racist shitfucks have statues in Union states and even in states that didn't weren't even a thing during the Civil War. Allowing the Confederate leadership to re-integrate and allowing them an unlimited platform gave them ample opportunity to change the narrative. The Confederates were no longer a bunch of Southern State aristocratic cunts throwing a tanty-wanty because they saw the writing on the wall in regards to slavery and decided to burn everything down, it became all about "protectin' our way of life," and "slavery wasn't so bad" and "slavery would have been abolished soon in the South anyway." Never mind the "Cornerstone Speech" delivered by the Vice-President of the Confederate States of America, Alexander Stephens - that shit got thoroughly memory-holed in favour of the Lost Cause myth, and it most certainly was not an accident.

De-platforming works, as does identifying and dismantling fash fuck movements in their infancy.

[Which Tyler]

I thought I'd have a go

[Mikey Brown]

You can’t see any hint of a slippery slope when you decide whole groups of people are less deserving of life because of their beliefs?

Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal.

Yes. I mean fine, but I don't see how that's what you were saying. It was the continual reference to dead Nazis that seemed a bit strange. I'm totally on board with not tolerating them, but that doesn't seem like the same thing.

[Puja]

In new lows, Kellyanne Conway has now escalated from months of bullying and abusing her 16 year old daughter (with video evidence of physical and emotional abuse) and has now reacted to her daughter continuing to cry for help online by posting a picture of her topless daughter (which she stole from her daughter's phone) on her social media as revenge porn.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/kellyanne-conway ... code-55162
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ca ... hoto-tweet
https://www.rt.com/usa/513649-kellyanne ... ess-photo/

Needless to say, all the QAnon people are up in arms about this documented child abuse and underage pornography distribut... hahaha just kidding, she's white and a Trump fan, so it doesn't count.

Puja

[gransoporro]

There's only one rule needed: the only good nazi is a dead nazi.

A nazi doesn't become a nazi just because they get told to pound sand for being a nazi, they already are one.

First sentence: are you seriously advocating for the death penalty for thought crimes? Or is it a figure of speech?

Second sentence: I am sure nazis are attracted to their ideology for several reasons. None of them I share. Some of them have something to do with mental health, some are just morally unacceptable to me. I don’t see how it is possible to eradicate nazi thought: do you have any?


And finally a note: do you mind insulting me for asking for clarifications or simply not sharing your thoughts? I hate to be left out: it brings back painful memories of my youth.

[morepork]

That is some pretty heavy ordnance. I hope it isn't true.

[gransoporro]

In new lows, Kellyanne Conway has now escalated from months of bullying and abusing her 16 year old daughter (with video evidence of physical and emotional abuse) and has now reacted to her daughter continuing to cry for help online by posting a picture of her topless daughter (which she stole from her daughter's phone) on her social media as revenge porn.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/kellyanne-conway ... code-55162
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ca ... hoto-tweet
https://www.rt.com/usa/513649-kellyanne ... ess-photo/

Needless to say, all the QAnon people are up in arms about this documented child abuse and underage pornography distribut... hahaha just kidding, she's white and a Trump fan, so it doesn't count.

Puja

Apparently, the daughter said that she doesn’t believe her mom posted the picture, rather she was hacked.
Lots going on there. Definitely I haven’t seen any evidence of physical and emotional abuse yet, just allegations.

[Sandydragon]

In new lows, Kellyanne Conway has now escalated from months of bullying and abusing her 16 year old daughter (with video evidence of physical and emotional abuse) and has now reacted to her daughter continuing to cry for help online by posting a picture of her topless daughter (which she stole from her daughter's phone) on her social media as revenge porn.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/kellyanne-conway ... code-55162
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ca ... hoto-tweet
https://www.rt.com/usa/513649-kellyanne ... ess-photo/

Needless to say, all the QAnon people are up in arms about this documented child abuse and underage pornography distribut... hahaha just kidding, she's white and a Trump fan, so it doesn't count.

Puja

WTAF?! Please tell me this is a criminal offence in the US and that some law enforcement agency is investigating?

[Puja]

In new lows, Kellyanne Conway has now escalated from months of bullying and abusing her 16 year old daughter (with video evidence of physical and emotional abuse) and has now reacted to her daughter continuing to cry for help online by posting a picture of her topless daughter (which she stole from her daughter's phone) on her social media as revenge porn.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/kellyanne-conway ... code-55162
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ca ... hoto-tweet
https://www.rt.com/usa/513649-kellyanne ... ess-photo/

Needless to say, all the QAnon people are up in arms about this documented child abuse and underage pornography distribut... hahaha just kidding, she's white and a Trump fan, so it doesn't count.

Puja

Apparently, the daughter said that she doesn’t believe her mom posted the picture, rather she was hacked.
Lots going on there. Definitely I haven’t seen any evidence of physical and emotional abuse yet, just allegations.

There are literally videos of her hitting her and abusing her, including the wonderful line, "You're lucky your mother is pro-life": https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2021/1/20 ... ktok-covid

I have seen that Claudia has released a video saying she doesn't believe her mum posted the picture. I have also seen videos of American prisoners saying how much they love North Korea and they're being treated really well and are ashamed of having fought for the imperialists. Plus, even if her mum has been hacked, what the fuck kind of parent finds a picture of their daughter topless and then saves it to their phone to *keep* it?!

Puja

[Sandydragon]

In new lows, Kellyanne Conway has now escalated from months of bullying and abusing her 16 year old daughter (with video evidence of physical and emotional abuse) and has now reacted to her daughter continuing to cry for help online by posting a picture of her topless daughter (which she stole from her daughter's phone) on her social media as revenge porn.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/kellyanne-conway ... code-55162
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ca ... hoto-tweet
https://www.rt.com/usa/513649-kellyanne ... ess-photo/

Needless to say, all the QAnon people are up in arms about this documented child abuse and underage pornography distribut... hahaha just kidding, she's white and a Trump fan, so it doesn't count.

Puja

Apparently, the daughter said that she doesn’t believe her mom posted the picture, rather she was hacked.
Lots going on there. Definitely I haven’t seen any evidence of physical and emotional abuse yet, just allegations.

There are literally videos of her hitting her and abusing her, including the wonderful line, "You're lucky your mother is pro-life": https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2021/1/20 ... ktok-covid

I have seen that Claudia has released a video saying she doesn't believe her mum posted the picture. I have also seen videos of American prisoners saying how much they love North Korea and they're being treated really well and are ashamed of having fought for the imperialists. Plus, even if her mum has been hacked, what the fuck kind of parent finds a picture of their daughter topless and then saves it to their phone to *keep* it?!

Puja

Her daughter is what, 16? There's definitely a child protection issue here.Accepting that corporal punishment laws do vary, posting naked pictures of children is frowned upon in most countries.

[gransoporro]

In new lows, Kellyanne Conway has now escalated from months of bullying and abusing her 16 year old daughter (with video evidence of physical and emotional abuse) and has now reacted to her daughter continuing to cry for help online by posting a picture of her topless daughter (which she stole from her daughter's phone) on her social media as revenge porn.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/kellyanne-conway ... code-55162
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ca ... hoto-tweet
https://www.rt.com/usa/513649-kellyanne ... ess-photo/

Needless to say, all the QAnon people are up in arms about this documented child abuse and underage pornography distribut... hahaha just kidding, she's white and a Trump fan, so it doesn't count.

Puja

Apparently, the daughter said that she doesn’t believe her mom posted the picture, rather she was hacked.
Lots going on there. Definitely I haven’t seen any evidence of physical and emotional abuse yet, just allegations.

There are literally videos of her hitting her and abusing her, including the wonderful line, "You're lucky your mother is pro-life": https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2021/1/20 ... ktok-covid

I have seen that Claudia has released a video saying she doesn't believe her mum posted the picture. I have also seen videos of American prisoners saying how much they love North Korea and they're being treated really well and are ashamed of having fought for the imperialists. Plus, even if her mum has been hacked, what the fuck kind of parent finds a picture of their daughter topless and then saves it to their phone to *keep* it?!

Puja

That I did not see, my apologies.
Anyway, I was told that police is involved and visited the house already, and it was reported on local media. In particular, I was told that the crime of possession of child pornography carries up to 5 years in prison. I am not a lawyer nor a DA, and I cannot say if it is a reasonable charge, so I just pass it on.

[Puja]

Apparently, the daughter said that she doesn’t believe her mom posted the picture, rather she was hacked.
Lots going on there. Definitely I haven’t seen any evidence of physical and emotional abuse yet, just allegations.

There are literally videos of her hitting her and abusing her, including the wonderful line, "You're lucky your mother is pro-life": https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2021/1/20 ... ktok-covid

I have seen that Claudia has released a video saying she doesn't believe her mum posted the picture. I have also seen videos of American prisoners saying how much they love North Korea and they're being treated really well and are ashamed of having fought for the imperialists. Plus, even if her mum has been hacked, what the fuck kind of parent finds a picture of their daughter topless and then saves it to their phone to *keep* it?!

Puja

That I did not see, my apologies.
Anyway, I was told that police is involved and visited the house already, and it was reported on local media. In particular, I was told that the crime of possession of child pornography carries up to 5 years in prison. I am not a lawyer nor a DA, and I cannot say if it is a reasonable charge, so I just pass it on.

However, the abuser is white, blonde, politically powerful, and Republican, so she will face absolutely no consequences from any police intervention.

Puja

[morepork]

The two new Q Barbies in Congress are just getting worserer and worserer as more and more of their past comes out. What manner of donky pizzle would vote for these sociopathic lunatics?

[Sandydragon]

The two new Q Barbies in Congress are just getting worserer and worserer as more and more of their past comes out. What manner of donky pizzle would vote for these sociopathic lunatics?

Or allow these nutters to represent their party?

[Digby]

What's the issue with such a person sitting on the House Education committee? She can teach them about the school shootings conspiracy running dangerously amok to threaten their freedoms

[morepork]

What's the issue with such a person sitting on the House Education committee? She can teach them about the school shootings conspiracy running dangerously amok to threaten their freedoms

That illiterate fuck has expressed a desire to "ban" the department of education in the past.

[Digby]

What's the issue with such a person sitting on the House Education committee? She can teach them about the school shootings conspiracy running dangerously amok to threaten their freedoms

That illiterate fuck has expressed a desire to "ban" the department of education in the past.

Following the sterling work of Betsy

[Sandydragon]

Apparently the Republican leader in congress has been to cosy up to Trump. SO any hope that the Republican establishment would take the opportunity to create some distance and perhaps turn their party into something resembling a sensible political organisation has been missed by the need to collect headbanger votes.

[Digby]

What's the issue with such a person sitting on the House Education committee? She can teach them about the school shootings conspiracy running dangerously amok to threaten their freedoms

That illiterate fuck has expressed a desire to "ban" the department of education in the past.

As an aside is that simply a request to ban the education department, or the now socially acceptable idea to defund the education department?