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Re: More on Syria
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:00 pm
by paddy no 11
What are the rooskies up to here? Flooding Europe with refugees, rise of the right, total takeover? Bleak
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:19 pm
by Galfon
Still trying to distance Turkey from NATO, despite uncomfortable situation in Idlib with Assad trying to clear the area Erdogan hoped to use for returning refugees.
At least Turkey's impressive drone-army set their sights on Syrian forces only thus far...but doesn't seem to have changed much apart from sentiments back home.
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:16 am
by Sandydragon
I think Erdogan is about to get a harsh lesson in geo-politics in the not too distant future.
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:09 pm
by Galfon
He's off to Brussels tomorrow for talks on the migrant impasse, apparently.Greece has closed their border and there are reports of vigilante groups around the islands, searching out anyone there illegally and keeping NGO activity to a minimum.( the locals appear to have had enough - 'send them elsewhere!' is the cry from over the water.) It looks as if the 2016 deal with EU did not pan out as expected.
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2024 9:55 pm
by Zhivago
Aleppo has fallen/been liberated
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 10:57 am
by paddy no 11
The yanks arming fundamentalist jihadis has never gone wrong before......right!
Not that there's any merit in the al assad/putin regime
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 10:58 am
by paddy no 11
Women are not allowed to talk in public spaces in Afghanistan anymore
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:50 pm
by Mellsblue
At least we know Greg Wallace’s whereabouts.
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:29 pm
by Zhivago
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 10:57 am
The
yanks arming fundamentalist jihadis has never gone wrong before......right!
Not that there's any merit in the al assad/putin regime
HTS is not funded by USA. Turkey and Qatar fund them.
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:51 pm
by paddy no 11
Zhivago wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:29 pm
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 10:57 am
The
yanks arming fundamentalist jihadis has never gone wrong before......right!
Not that there's any merit in the al assad/putin regime
HTS is not funded by USA. Turkey and Qatar fund them.
Thanks, not sure where I got that misinformation from. Why are turkey and the uae involved here? What's in it for them?
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 8:48 am
by Zhivago
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:51 pm
Zhivago wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:29 pm
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 10:57 am
The
yanks arming fundamentalist jihadis has never gone wrong before......right!
Not that there's any merit in the al assad/putin regime
HTS is not funded by USA. Turkey and Qatar fund them.
Thanks, not sure where I got that misinformation from. Why are turkey and the uae involved here? What's in it for them?
As I said years ago, probably they want to build a gas pipeline through Syria
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar%E ... y_pipeline
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:46 am
by paddy no 11
Zhivago wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 8:48 am
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:51 pm
Zhivago wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:29 pm
HTS is not funded by USA. Turkey and Qatar fund them.
Thanks, not sure where I got that misinformation from. Why are turkey and the uae involved here? What's in it for them?
As I said years ago, probably they want to build a gas pipeline through Syria
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar%E ... y_pipeline
As your informing me
UAE are in Sudan too and this is mineral driven too? No ideology just wealth driven?
I'll correct wealth to greed
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 10:54 am
by Which Tyler
Zhivago wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:29 pm
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 10:57 am
The
yanks arming fundamentalist jihadis has never gone wrong before......right!
Not that there's any merit in the al assad/putin regime
HTS is not funded by USA. Turkey and Qatar fund them.
SDF is the US supplied one, isn't it?
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 5:50 pm
by Zhivago
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 9:46 am
As your informing me
UAE are in Sudan too and this is mineral driven too? No ideology just wealth driven?
I'll correct wealth to greed
UAE is not Qatar
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2024 5:50 pm
by Zhivago
Which Tyler wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2024 10:54 am
Zhivago wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 6:29 pm
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 10:57 am
The
yanks arming fundamentalist jihadis has never gone wrong before......right!
Not that there's any merit in the al assad/putin regime
HTS is not funded by USA. Turkey and Qatar fund them.
SDF is the US supplied one, isn't it?
I think so
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2024 2:41 pm
by paddy no 11
Homs gone now.
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 8:42 am
by Sandydragon
Latest reports suggest that Assad has fled/is dead and Damascus has fallen. Not sure how reliable they are but the Syrian army seems very uninterested in fighting without massive Russian support.
God alone knows what happens to Syria now. The new owners of Damascus aren’t exactly liberal and I can’t see the other factions, especially the Kurds just disarming.
It does mean embarrassment for Russia who now will almost certainly lose its strategically important naval and SigInt bases unless Russia strikes a new deal (unlikely). It’s a good day for turkey though.
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 9:52 am
by Zhivago
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 8:42 am
Latest reports suggest that Assad has fled/is dead and Damascus has fallen. Not sure how reliable they are but the Syrian army seems very uninterested in fighting without massive Russian support.
God alone knows what happens to Syria now. The new owners of Damascus aren’t exactly liberal and I can’t see the other factions, especially the Kurds just disarming.
It does mean embarrassment for Russia who now will almost certainly lose its strategically important naval and SigInt bases unless Russia strikes a new deal (unlikely). It’s a good day for turkey though.
It won't happen, but there should be a Kurdish state
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:02 am
by Sandydragon
Zhivago wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 9:52 am
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 8:42 am
Latest reports suggest that Assad has fled/is dead and Damascus has fallen. Not sure how reliable they are but the Syrian army seems very uninterested in fighting without massive Russian support.
God alone knows what happens to Syria now. The new owners of Damascus aren’t exactly liberal and I can’t see the other factions, especially the Kurds just disarming.
It does mean embarrassment for Russia who now will almost certainly lose its strategically important naval and SigInt bases unless Russia strikes a new deal (unlikely). It’s a good day for turkey though.
It won't happen, but there should be a Kurdish state
Agreed, but Turkey really won’t want that.
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:50 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:02 am
Zhivago wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 9:52 am
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 8:42 am
Latest reports suggest that Assad has fled/is dead and Damascus has fallen. Not sure how reliable they are but the Syrian army seems very uninterested in fighting without massive Russian support.
God alone knows what happens to Syria now. The new owners of Damascus aren’t exactly liberal and I can’t see the other factions, especially the Kurds just disarming.
It does mean embarrassment for Russia who now will almost certainly lose its strategically important naval and SigInt bases unless Russia strikes a new deal (unlikely). It’s a good day for turkey though.
It won't happen, but there should be a Kurdish state
Agreed, but Turkey really won’t want that.
True but it would be nice if the Kurds can hold that big chunk of the North of Syria they have. It's a start. In a fair world they'd have a bit of Syria, a bit of Iraq and a bit of Turkey. Basically where the Kurds live.
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 2:35 pm
by Sandydragon
Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:50 pm
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:02 am
Zhivago wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 9:52 am
It won't happen, but there should be a Kurdish state
Agreed, but Turkey really won’t want that.
True but it would be nice if the Kurds can hold that big chunk of the North of Syria they have. It's a start. In a fair world they'd have a bit of Syria, a bit of Iraq and a bit of Turkey. Basically where the Kurds live.
I agree. But having a viable Kurdish state on its border will provoke Turkey. I expect they will have some demands for their support which will include ensuring that doesn’t happen.
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 3:36 pm
by Puja
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 2:35 pm
Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:50 pm
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:02 am
Agreed, but Turkey really won’t want that.
True but it would be nice if the Kurds can hold that big chunk of the North of Syria they have. It's a start. In a fair world they'd have a bit of Syria, a bit of Iraq and a bit of Turkey. Basically where the Kurds live.
I agree. But having a viable Kurdish state on its border will provoke Turkey. I expect they will have some demands for their support which will include ensuring that doesn’t happen.
I don't really understand the Turkish position here. I can absolutely understand why they don't want Kurdistan within their borders or carved out of their land, but surely this is the ideal opportunity to set one up out of part of Syria and say to all the Kurdish nationalists, "Here you go, you want a homeland, it's over there, kindly fuck off in that direction" without it really costing them anything?
Can someone explain why they're they so against that?
Puja
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 4:16 pm
by paddy no 11
Puja wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 3:36 pm
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 2:35 pm
Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:50 pm
True but it would be nice if the Kurds can hold that big chunk of the North of Syria they have. It's a start. In a fair world they'd have a bit of Syria, a bit of Iraq and a bit of Turkey. Basically where the Kurds live.
I agree. But having a viable Kurdish state on its border will provoke Turkey. I expect they will have some demands for their support which will include ensuring that doesn’t happen.
I don't really understand the Turkish position here. I can absolutely understand why they don't want Kurdistan within their borders or carved out of their land, but surely this is the ideal opportunity to set one up out of part of Syria and say to all the Kurdish nationalists, "Here you go, you want a homeland, it's over there, kindly fuck off in that direction" without it really costing them anything?
Can someone explain why they're they so against that?
Puja
There's a wiki page that answers this
Turkey does not recognise kurdish in any aspect there all turkmen. Erdoğan will double down on this - international community would have zero chance to influence I'd say
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:18 pm
by Puja
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 4:16 pm
Puja wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 3:36 pm
Sandydragon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 2:35 pm
I agree. But having a viable Kurdish state on its border will provoke Turkey. I expect they will have some demands for their support which will include ensuring that doesn’t happen.
I don't really understand the Turkish position here. I can absolutely understand why they don't want Kurdistan within their borders or carved out of their land, but surely this is the ideal opportunity to set one up out of part of Syria and say to all the Kurdish nationalists, "Here you go, you want a homeland, it's over there, kindly fuck off in that direction" without it really costing them anything?
Can someone explain why they're they so against that?
Puja
There's a wiki page that answers this
Turkey does not recognise kurdish in any aspect there all turkmen. Erdoğan will double down on this - international community would have zero chance to influence I'd say
Ah. So the issue isn't that Turkey are determined that they own the land, it's that they're determined that they own the people? The latter belief seems substantially more difficult to enforce than the former, but I guess logic never did come into these things.
Thanks for the explanation.
Puja
Re: More on Syria
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:21 pm
by Sandydragon
Plus would a a Kurdish homeland over the border not want the land in Turkey currently occupied by Kurds? Forcibly moving out a entire group of people is pretty much ethnic cleansing, so unlikely to win too many friends.