Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:50 am
Once/if we have a transition agreement in place, is there any reason for May et al to keep their jobs?
Yet who is there who is better?Digby wrote:I can't see a seasonable argument for keeping May, Corbyn or Cable, all three are miles off any sensible standard
The Lib Dems may indeed simply not have the numbers to present a better option. Labour and the Tories are seemingly far too spit on their aims for any sensible candidate to emerge who could possibly hold power. Basically we're in the poopStom wrote:Yet who is there who is better?Digby wrote:I can't see a seasonable argument for keeping May, Corbyn or Cable, all three are miles off any sensible standard
I mean, we don't really know loads about Starmer yet. There's always Boris. Or Rees-Mogg. Are there actually any other Lib Dems?
More likely Corbyn et al. I think the Tories will implode (even more) sooner rather than later- the constituency MP's I think would rather not sink with the govt ship, and be happier preserving their own futures as opposition to the clusterfck any government will be in the middle of.Mellsblue wrote:If you get rid of May et al before Brexit is sorted I suggest you have the very real possibility of the likes of Rees-Mogg, Brigden and their ilk taking over the reins of the country. Let that sink in.
Can’t see it myself within this electoral cycle, baring an absolute disaster. The Conservative MP’s are terrified of a Corbyn govt and what it would mean for the country. It’s pretty much the only thing keeping May in no10.Banquo wrote:More likely Corbyn et al. I think the Tories will implode (even more) sooner rather than later- the constituency MP's I think would rather not sink with the govt ship, and be happier preserving their own futures as opposition to the clusterfck any government will be in the middle of.Mellsblue wrote:If you get rid of May et al before Brexit is sorted I suggest you have the very real possibility of the likes of Rees-Mogg, Brigden and their ilk taking over the reins of the country. Let that sink in.
...but as we have seen, there is zero discipline. When Patel is sacked, it will get worse. Self preservation will kick in.Mellsblue wrote:Can’t see it myself within this electoral cycle, baring an absolute disaster. The Conservative MP’s are terrified of a Corbyn govt and what it would mean for the country. It’s pretty much the only thing keeping May in no10.Banquo wrote:More likely Corbyn et al. I think the Tories will implode (even more) sooner rather than later- the constituency MP's I think would rather not sink with the govt ship, and be happier preserving their own futures as opposition to the clusterfck any government will be in the middle of.Mellsblue wrote:If you get rid of May et al before Brexit is sorted I suggest you have the very real possibility of the likes of Rees-Mogg, Brigden and their ilk taking over the reins of the country. Let that sink in.
I think it's fairly straight forwards.fivepointer wrote:I'm struggling to get my head around just how foolish and irresponsible Patels conduct has been.
I’d look outside he current cabinet. Ruth Davidson of course, and a number of MPs fm the last 2 elections who could probably step up.Stom wrote:Yet who is there who is better?Digby wrote:I can't see a seasonable argument for keeping May, Corbyn or Cable, all three are miles off any sensible standard
I mean, we don't really know loads about Starmer yet. There's always Boris. Or Rees-Mogg. Are there actually any other Lib Dems?
They could always move Rudd to a safer seat, although her majority would likely increase if her profile went up.Sandydragon wrote:I’d look outside he current cabinet. Ruth Davidson of course, and a number of MPs fm the last 2 elections who could probably step up.Stom wrote:Yet who is there who is better?Digby wrote:I can't see a seasonable argument for keeping May, Corbyn or Cable, all three are miles off any sensible standard
I mean, we don't really know loads about Starmer yet. There's always Boris. Or Rees-Mogg. Are there actually any other Lib Dems?
To be fair, they can’t be any worse.
The safe pair of hands option is probably aRudd at the moment, but her majority it too small.
They don't give a toss about what is good or bad for the country......just what is good for them.Mellsblue wrote:[
The Conservative MP’s are terrified of a Corbyn govt and what it would mean for the country.
Why would David Milliband be a good thing for the Labour party? If his more socialist brother couldn't manage it, why could he?Digby wrote:They could always move Rudd to a safer seat, although her majority would likely increase if her profile went up.Sandydragon wrote:I’d look outside he current cabinet. Ruth Davidson of course, and a number of MPs fm the last 2 elections who could probably step up.Stom wrote:
Yet who is there who is better?
I mean, we don't really know loads about Starmer yet. There's always Boris. Or Rees-Mogg. Are there actually any other Lib Dems?
To be fair, they can’t be any worse.
The safe pair of hands option is probably aRudd at the moment, but her majority it too small.
And I'd be happy with Davidson, but I don't see how she holds power in the Tory party, just as I don't see how David Milliband would wrest and hold control of the Labour Party. A shame on both counts, but it is what it is
Thatcher's legacy is exactly why the Tories are in such deserved disarray.Stom wrote: Which is one reason why, and someone said it earlier, Thatcher would be so good right now, even if she was a power crazed right wing loon. May has no concept except power. Thatcher had one.
Ruthie is an MSP, not an MP, therefore I don't believe they could make her a cabinet member without first parachuting her into a safe seat or, more controversially, giving her a peerage.Sandydragon wrote:I’d look outside he current cabinet. Ruth Davidson of course, and a number of MPs fm the last 2 elections who could probably step up.Stom wrote:Yet who is there who is better?Digby wrote:I can't see a seasonable argument for keeping May, Corbyn or Cable, all three are miles off any sensible standard
I mean, we don't really know loads about Starmer yet. There's always Boris. Or Rees-Mogg. Are there actually any other Lib Dems?
To be fair, they can’t be any worse.
The safe pair of hands option is probably aRudd at the moment, but her majority it too small.
And Amber comes from a family of corporate super-crooks.Stones of granite wrote:Ruthie is an MSP, not an MP, therefore I don't believe they could make her a cabinet member without first parachuting her into a safe seat or, more controversially, giving her a peerage.Sandydragon wrote:I’d look outside he current cabinet. Ruth Davidson of course, and a number of MPs fm the last 2 elections who could probably step up.Stom wrote:
Yet who is there who is better?
I mean, we don't really know loads about Starmer yet. There's always Boris. Or Rees-Mogg. Are there actually any other Lib Dems?
To be fair, they can’t be any worse.
The safe pair of hands option is probably aRudd at the moment, but her majority it too small.
Surely, that's an advantage....kk67 wrote:And Amber comes from a family of corporate super-crooks.Stones of granite wrote:Ruthie is an MSP, not an MP, therefore I don't believe they could make her a cabinet member without first parachuting her into a safe seat or, more controversially, giving her a peerage.Sandydragon wrote: I’d look outside he current cabinet. Ruth Davidson of course, and a number of MPs fm the last 2 elections who could probably step up.
To be fair, they can’t be any worse.
The safe pair of hands option is probably aRudd at the moment, but her majority it too small.
How would you feel if Amber was Mohamed Al Fahd's Daughter....?.Stones of granite wrote:Surely, that's an advantage....kk67 wrote:And Amber comes from a family of corporate super-crooks.Stones of granite wrote: Ruthie is an MSP, not an MP, therefore I don't believe they could make her a cabinet member without first parachuting her into a safe seat or, more controversially, giving her a peerage.
Did you hear a whooshing sound?kk67 wrote:How would you feel if Amber was Mohamed Al Fahd's Daughter....?.Stones of granite wrote:Surely, that's an advantage....kk67 wrote:
And Amber comes from a family of corporate super-crooks.
You cannot run governance on the basis of profit. A teenager doing politics would tell you that method was for morons.
I didn't say David Milliband could manage the Labour party I said he'd struggle to hold power. Though in that instance you might mean get elected, in which case I happen to think he'd get elected very easily right nowStom wrote:
Why would David Milliband be a good thing for the Labour party? If his more socialist brother couldn't manage it, why could he?
To find a solution, you should not dilute the basic concept of the Labour party. Blair may have won elections, but he destroyed the party for whoever came after him.
The clue is in the phrase "for the people". Don't just try to get elected at any cost. Fight for something. A strong concept.
Which is one reason why, and someone said it earlier, Thatcher would be so good right now, even if she was a power crazed right wing loon. May has no concept except power. Thatcher had one.
What margins?Digby wrote:I didn't say David Milliband could manage the Labour party I said he'd struggle to hold power. Though in that instance you might mean get elected, in which case I happen to think he'd get elected very easily right nowStom wrote:
Why would David Milliband be a good thing for the Labour party? If his more socialist brother couldn't manage it, why could he?
To find a solution, you should not dilute the basic concept of the Labour party. Blair may have won elections, but he destroyed the party for whoever came after him.
The clue is in the phrase "for the people". Don't just try to get elected at any cost. Fight for something. A strong concept.
Which is one reason why, and someone said it earlier, Thatcher would be so good right now, even if she was a power crazed right wing loon. May has no concept except power. Thatcher had one.
Also why is it only those more toward the margins can be deemed to have 'strong concepts'? Even aside from the stupidity of such assertion the arrogance isn't exactly pleasant
If we judge politicians on what their families get up to there would be no fecker left. Judge them on their own actions.kk67 wrote:How would you feel if Amber was Mohamed Al Fahd's Daughter....?.Stones of granite wrote:Surely, that's an advantage....kk67 wrote:
And Amber comes from a family of corporate super-crooks.
You cannot run governance on the basis of profit. A teenager doing politics would tell you that method was for morons.