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Son of Mathonwy wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 2:37 pm And now, the finale, Wish World and The Reality War. This was effectively two stories: the series-ending conflict with the Rani(s) and the possibly show-ending section which finishes Gatwa's time as the Doctor.

The Rani story had a few promising elements and a whole lot of arbitrary, made-up-on-the-fly events. Altogether it made very little sense while it cheerfully trampled over continuity and logic. Just a selection of the problems:
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So, broadly speaking, it was a return to the low quality of the previous season. RTD badly needed someone to tell him no, not good enough, write it better.

The last bit was a bit better (most things would be) but ends with a frivolous and truly retrograde casting choice which makes no sense and tries to tie the hands of whoever makes decisions about the future of Who. Issues:
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I can answer some of those questions:
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The fact that the rest of the questions have the answer as either "Because plot" or "Uhhhh, a wizard did it?" isn't great though. Still, there have been far less internally consistent Dr Who episodes, even back in the glory days. Will agree that the thing with the Bone Beasts and UNIT was utterly risible.
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The worst part of Doctor Who has been the ever increasing time that regeneration takes as each incarnation gets a longer and wankier and more self-indulgent send-off than the last. Ecclestone got a short speech, which was fine, but the rot set in when Tennant got to go on a mid-regeneration victory lap, visit every companion, tie up every loose end, and generally have more denouements than the extended edition of Return of the King. From there on out, it seems like every Doctor had the ability to delay a regeneration as long as they liked, use various bullshit magical powers that it endowed them with on an ad hoc basis, engage in a hundred bits of nostalgia bait, recite an epic poem, and generally allow the leaving actor to engage in a leisurely and lengthy hand job celebrating just how great they were and lean on the fourth wall about how much they were going to miss playing the Doctor.

From a Watsonian perspective, it's really weird watching a character who professes to hate himself suddenly start a solilique about how great he'd actually been, and from Doylist, it's really boring watching Matt Smith pretend he's hallucinating Amy Pond or Peter Capaldi list his requirements for what the Doctor should always be, and it's losing wonderful character opportunities from having a sudden shock change. Just about every regeneration episode could have had a solid 10-20 minutes cut from it and been much better for it.

This particular regeneration was made significantly worse for me by the BBC making the decision to put this front and centre on the BBC News website immediately after the show aired, and before I watched it on Sunday:

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In the age of the internet, it must've been really hard to completely hide that this episode was going to have a regeneration and that [Redacted] was going to be there, so why on earth would you go to all that effort to successfully pull that off and then decide that everyone who didn't watch it live could fuck right off?

To add insult to injury, if you click into the article, it actually has the gall to open with, "CAUTION: THIS ARTICLE CONTAINS SPOILERS."

:evil: :x :evil:

On the actual regeneration,
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Puja wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 4:50 pm
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Tue Jun 03, 2025 2:37 pm And now, the finale, Wish World and The Reality War. This was effectively two stories: the series-ending conflict with the Rani(s) and the possibly show-ending section which finishes Gatwa's time as the Doctor.

The Rani story had a few promising elements and a whole lot of arbitrary, made-up-on-the-fly events. Altogether it made very little sense while it cheerfully trampled over continuity and logic. Just a selection of the problems:
► Show Spoiler
So, broadly speaking, it was a return to the low quality of the previous season. RTD badly needed someone to tell him no, not good enough, write it better.

The last bit was a bit better (most things would be) but ends with a frivolous and truly retrograde casting choice which makes no sense and tries to tie the hands of whoever makes decisions about the future of Who. Issues:
► Show Spoiler
I can answer some of those questions:
► Show Spoiler
The fact that the rest of the questions have the answer as either "Because plot" or "Uhhhh, a wizard did it?" isn't great though. Still, there have been far less internally consistent Dr Who episodes, even back in the glory days. Will agree that the thing with the Bone Beasts and UNIT was utterly risible.
► Show Spoiler
The worst part of Doctor Who has been the ever increasing time that regeneration takes as each incarnation gets a longer and wankier and more self-indulgent send-off than the last. Ecclestone got a short speech, which was fine, but the rot set in when Tennant got to go on a mid-regeneration victory lap, visit every companion, tie up every loose end, and generally have more denouements than the extended edition of Return of the King. From there on out, it seems like every Doctor had the ability to delay a regeneration as long as they liked, use various bullshit magical powers that it endowed them with on an ad hoc basis, engage in a hundred bits of nostalgia bait, recite an epic poem, and generally allow the leaving actor to engage in a leisurely and lengthy hand job celebrating just how great they were and lean on the fourth wall about how much they were going to miss playing the Doctor.

From a Watsonian perspective, it's really weird watching a character who professes to hate himself suddenly start a solilique about how great he'd actually been, and from Doylist, it's really boring watching Matt Smith pretend he's hallucinating Amy Pond or Peter Capaldi list his requirements for what the Doctor should always be, and it's losing wonderful character opportunities from having a sudden shock change. Just about every regeneration episode could have had a solid 10-20 minutes cut from it and been much better for it.

This particular regeneration was made significantly worse for me by the BBC making the decision to put this front and centre on the BBC News website immediately after the show aired, and before I watched it on Sunday:

In the age of the internet, it must've been really hard to completely hide that this episode was going to have a regeneration and that [Redacted] was going to be there, so why on earth would you go to all that effort to successfully pull that off and then decide that everyone who didn't watch it live could fuck right off?

To add insult to injury, if you click into the article, it actually has the gall to open with, "CAUTION: THIS ARTICLE CONTAINS SPOILERS."

:evil: :x :evil:

On the actual regeneration,
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Puja
Yeah, I think I have less patience with RTD than you do. This last episode was, for me, essentially a fake reality story that could and was resolved with anything RTD could be arsed to tap into the word processor (unless he's doing it on Chatgpt, which might explain a few things). Fake reality = no risk, no jeopardy, no excitement.
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I'm not quite so bothered by the long, drawn-out regenerations. I can see the temptation to sign off a Doctor in style. However I agree, it would be nice sometimes to have the more traditional Doctor near death from having fought something totally lethal (which has really killed people in an irreversible way) and the regeneration come on straight away.

Re the actual regeneration:
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For me, I hope there's a miracle and the BBC don't axe the show but do axe RTD. What are the chances?
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