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Been a bit busy recently but just seen this

Does anyone think that if this wasn't the All Blacks it wouldn't be a straight red.


Better get used to it, this is clearly how Hansen wants them to play next year, id say bring back the 999 call and meet violence with more violence

whatisthejava wrote:Been a bit busy recently but just seen this

Does anyone think that if this wasn't the All Blacks it wouldn't be a straight red.


Better get used to it, this is clearly how Hansen wants them to play next year, id say bring back the 999 call and meet violence with more violence

Yep. I just watched it yesterday, and had the exact same thought. I couldn't see anything about that tackle that didn't scream straight red.

It's mental, its tge stupidest thing I have seen since Hogg took out priestland 3 years ago in Wales

Yellow cards have been considered a cop-out from the day cards were introduced to rugby. & the All Blacks have always got away with a lot more than most teams. Remember Buck Shelford against Wales in 87? Most blatant send-off offense I ever saw but he wasn't even cautioned (while his victim was sent off)!!

whatisthejava wrote:It's mental, its tge stupidest thing I have seen since Hogg took out priestland 3 years ago in Wales

It was Bigger wasn't it? I think that's the reason I forgave him so easily.

rowan wrote:Yellow cards have been considered a cop-out from the day cards were introduced to rugby. & the All Blacks have always got away with a lot more than most teams. Remember Buck Shelford against Wales in 87? Most blatant send-off offense I ever saw but he wasn't even cautioned (while his victim was sent off)!!

In 1987, retaliation was basically permitted. The bloke what started it was punished.

The Laws have pretty much always (since 1888, I think) allowed a ref to send a player off but yellow and red cards are recent. Yellow cards were brought in to caution players in 1995, and were changed to sin bin in 2000.

Until the 1970s you had to practically kill someone to be sent off. Only 5* men were sent off in all tests before then (2 of them in 1967).

*the first of which, Aussie Ted Greatorex, was playing against an uncapped NZ XV.

Finlay Calder v Jim Staples is a good example of one we got away with before yellow cards.

The problem with red cards is unlike football and other non contact sports if you get a man red carded in the first 20 mins then 9/10 you will lose the game, there are notable exceptions but they are rare

(Munster v Glasgow, Ulster v Sarries)

Id much prefer a red card be swopped with a 15-20 minute sin bin and the player is no longer allowed back on the field of play, that would suitably punish the player , allow the other team suitable advantage to do something but more importantly allow refs to award them in top flight games

Remember the RG v Ire 1/4 final gam when Azuraa (RG prop now plays for Leicester) shouldered in the ruck , the ref was desperate not to send him off and took every step possible to not send him off, if he could have forced a substitution then he would have done that, RG would have lose that player for the remainder of the game

"Until the 1970s you had to practically kill someone to be sent off. Only 5* men were sent off in all tests before then (2 of them in 1967). "

Cyril Brownlie on the '24/25 Invincibles tour and Pinetee Meads on the 67 tour of Europe being 2 of them. I understand the former's dismissal (v England) was considered very harsh, the locals just weren't accustomed to the rough and tumble approach of what were in those days basically a bunch of farmers, whilst Pinetree's (v Scotland) was fully merited.

I've just seen that tackle for the first time and was underwhelmed. Bad tackle, yellow card, move on. Everyone I know in person loves the All Blacks but everyone online and a good chunk of journalists seem to have an issue with them. It is same with the haka, whenever I have been to a NZ everyone has been looking forward to it but look online and you would think that crowds worldwide were booing it week in week out

Cameo wrote:I've just seen that tackle for the first time and was underwhelmed. Bad tackle, yellow card, move on. Everyone I know in person loves the All Blacks but everyone online and a good chunk of journalists seem to have an issue with them. It is same with the haka, whenever I have been to a NZ everyone has been looking forward to it but look online and you would think that crowds worldwide were booing it week in week out

I think its the fact the tackle looks like zero fucks were given by Fekitoa in either obeying the laws or player safety

whatisthejava wrote:

Cameo wrote:I've just seen that tackle for the first time and was underwhelmed. Bad tackle, yellow card, move on. Everyone I know in person loves the All Blacks but everyone online and a good chunk of journalists seem to have an issue with them. It is same with the haka, whenever I have been to a NZ everyone has been looking forward to it but look online and you would think that crowds worldwide were booing it week in week out

I think its the fact the tackle looks like zero fucks were given by Fekitoa in either obeying the laws or player safety

Possibly but there has been a lot of talk of this highlighting how dirty they are in general. They wouldnt be particularly near the top of my list. South Africa and Ireland would be comfortably above them

Just watched the tackles. Meh. Could argue the toss either way on Canes tackle. As in, he does enough to hide it, there's no doubt he was after trying to hurt the irish player, but the way tackles are reffed he brings his arm up enough to get away with it.
Feckitoa coulda got a red, yellow with citing prob enough.
No sympathy for the micks mind, lets not forget this is the team that specialises in the "choke" tackle. Dirty feckers meet dirty feckers probably sums up my view on NZ v Ire.

What's dirty about the choke tackle? You DO know this is the union version not league's one yeah?

In union the choke tackle is nothing to do with tackling around the neck, but about keeping the tackled player off the ground; in league it's an arm around the neck, holding on until unconsciousness.

Donny osmond wrote:Just watched the tackles. Meh. Could argue the toss either way on Canes tackle. As in, he does enough to hide it, there's no doubt he was after trying to hurt the irish player, but the way tackles are reffed he brings his arm up enough to get away with it.
Feckitoa coulda got a red, yellow with citing prob enough.
No sympathy for the micks mind, lets not forget this is the team that specialises in the "choke" tackle. Dirty feckers meet dirty feckers probably sums up my view on NZ v Ire.

Yeah, I'm not sure what you mean by the last bit Donny, the terribly named choke tackle the Irish do is fucking tedious to be on the receiving end of, but it's not dangerous or dirty in any way.

Which Tyler wrote:What's dirty about the choke tackle? You DO know this is the union version not league's one yeah?

In union the choke tackle is nothing to do with tackling around the neck, but about keeping the tackled player off the ground; in league it's an arm around the neck, holding on until unconsciousness.

I get the theory. In practice it often seems pretty dangerous to me. And as EiE says, tedious as fuck. Maybe thats just me tho.

Still no sympathy for the irish. Dorty cunts.

Edinburgh in Exile wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:Just watched the tackles. Meh. Could argue the toss either way on Canes tackle. As in, he does enough to hide it, there's no doubt he was after trying to hurt the irish player, but the way tackles are reffed he brings his arm up enough to get away with it.
Feckitoa coulda got a red, yellow with citing prob enough.
No sympathy for the micks mind, lets not forget this is the team that specialises in the "choke" tackle. Dirty feckers meet dirty feckers probably sums up my view on NZ v Ire.

Yeah, I'm not sure what you mean by the last bit Donny, the terribly named choke tackle the Irish do is fucking tedious to be on the receiving end of, but it's not dangerous or dirty in any way.

Holding a player up isn't in itself dangerous, but a lot of the time it ends up as the player being held up by the head/neck with match officials doing chuff all about it. Bennett was choked unconscious by one ffs. I know that's an extreme example but it shows what can happen.


I've no opinion on the micks v precious game btw.

hp18 wrote:

Edinburgh in Exile wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:Just watched the tackles. Meh. Could argue the toss either way on Canes tackle. As in, he does enough to hide it, there's no doubt he was after trying to hurt the irish player, but the way tackles are reffed he brings his arm up enough to get away with it.
Feckitoa coulda got a red, yellow with citing prob enough.
No sympathy for the micks mind, lets not forget this is the team that specialises in the "choke" tackle. Dirty feckers meet dirty feckers probably sums up my view on NZ v Ire.

Yeah, I'm not sure what you mean by the last bit Donny, the terribly named choke tackle the Irish do is fucking tedious to be on the receiving end of, but it's not dangerous or dirty in any way.

Holding a player up isn't in itself dangerous, but a lot of the time it ends up as the player being held up by the head/neck with match officials doing chuff all about it. Bennett was choked unconscious by one ffs. I know that's an extreme example but it shows what can happen.


I've no opinion on the micks v precious game btw.

Exactamundo

Isn't that like saying that sometimes a legal tackle rides up onto the head/neck and causes damage. Therefore ALL tackles are disgustingly dangerous and any team that tackles are a bunch of filthy scum

Most choke tackles are absolutely fine. The choke tackle itself is absolutely fine. The occasional one that isn't fine is one that should be penalised, not meaning that all choke tackle should be vilified

Which Tyler wrote:Isn't that like saying that sometimes a legal tackle rides up onto the head/neck and causes damage. Therefore ALL tackles are disgustingly dangerous and any team that tackles are a bunch of filthy scum

Most choke tackles are absolutely fine. The choke tackle itself is absolutely fine. The occasional one that isn't fine is one that should be penalised, not meaning that all choke tackle should be vilified

I'm struggling to think of a time I saw a choke tackle that didn't involve arms being wrapped around someones head or neck. Obviously it's just my perception that its a lot more than the occasional one that isn't fine.

hp18 wrote:

Edinburgh in Exile wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:Just watched the tackles. Meh. Could argue the toss either way on Canes tackle. As in, he does enough to hide it, there's no doubt he was after trying to hurt the irish player, but the way tackles are reffed he brings his arm up enough to get away with it.
Feckitoa coulda got a red, yellow with citing prob enough.
No sympathy for the micks mind, lets not forget this is the team that specialises in the "choke" tackle. Dirty feckers meet dirty feckers probably sums up my view on NZ v Ire.

Yeah, I'm not sure what you mean by the last bit Donny, the terribly named choke tackle the Irish do is fucking tedious to be on the receiving end of, but it's not dangerous or dirty in any way.

Holding a player up isn't in itself dangerous, but a lot of the time it ends up as the player being held up by the head/neck with match officials doing chuff all about it. Bennett was choked unconscious by one ffs. I know that's an extreme example but it shows what can happen.


I've no opinion on the micks v precious game btw.

Perhaps you are right, I've just never seen it as dirty tactic. The only thing that really gets on my tits about it is that the subsequent deliberate collapsing of the maul is never, ever penalised, worse still it's rewarded with an attacking scrum. You do the same thing from a line out drive and it's a penas all day long?

Not a dirty tactic, but dangerous play there seems to be ignored as a rule. The next guy might not walk away after.

Edinburgh in Exile wrote:

hp18 wrote:

Edinburgh in Exile wrote:
Yeah, I'm not sure what you mean by the last bit Donny, the terribly named choke tackle the Irish do is fucking tedious to be on the receiving end of, but it's not dangerous or dirty in any way.

Holding a player up isn't in itself dangerous, but a lot of the time it ends up as the player being held up by the head/neck with match officials doing chuff all about it. Bennett was choked unconscious by one ffs. I know that's an extreme example but it shows what can happen.


I've no opinion on the micks v precious game btw.

Perhaps you are right, I've just never seen it as dirty tactic. The only thing that really gets on my tits about it is that the subsequent deliberate collapsing of the maul is never, ever penalised, worse still it's rewarded with an attacking scrum. You do the same thing from a line out drive and it's a penas all day long?

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They're on the ball carrier though. You get to him and bring him down that's fine, they took it in and lost the ability to play it's turnover ball.

hp18 wrote:They're on the ball carrier though. You get to him and bring him down that's fine, they took it in and lost the ability to play it's turnover ball.

It's a maul. You can't bring it down even if you've got the ball carrier. E in E is right.