RugbyRebels

I'm not sure I have anything new or constructive to say about this but it's fucking grim that this seems to be becoming more and more prevalent. I don't know how hyped up any of these stories are, or the specific reasons that anybody is getting attacked, but it doesn't appear as though many of these recent victims were in any kind of altercation with their attackers. Just in the wrong place, or the wrong kind of person.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40604002

Living in London I don't actually feel too on-edge about the terrorism situation, but this one has me thinking.

Its a disgraceful assault and one that seems to be getting more common. Utterly cowardly behaviour and hopefully the perpetrators will get harsh sentences to reflect the lasting damage many victims face.

Was watching you tube vids on motor bike jacking the other day, criminals on mopeds brazenly stealing or jacking bikes in broad daylight. It's been a few years since I was there but I don't remember it being that .. rough. There was an sense of lawlessness to the videos, what's happening to London?

Beyond 15 year olds flinging acid in people's faces you mean? I can't tell if that was rhetorical question. Was his footage of London or elsewhere?

Was footage of London. It was the brazenness of the thefts that struck me, like the thieves didn't give a toss and new they wouldn't be caught.

I saw cctv footage of it earlier on the news and kind of wished I hadn't. It looked as casual as throwing a glass of water on somebody. The indiscriminate nature of it just adds another layer of awfulness to it.

J Dory wrote:Was footage of London. It was the brazenness of the thefts that struck me, like the thieves didn't give a toss and new they wouldn't be caught.

How is Kaikohe these days boss?

morepork wrote:

J Dory wrote:Was footage of London. It was the brazenness of the thefts that struck me, like the thieves didn't give a toss and new they wouldn't be caught.

How is Kaikohe these days boss?

Didn't go there last time, but I'm assuming it's still a shit hole. There was a story i read recently regarding some young folks brazenly vandalizing a store front if that's where you were going with this?

I wasn't taking a dig at London, I spent a lot of time in the city and loved it, but at the time didn't see the level of violent crime I am reading about now. The acid attack thing is obviously a whole new level, horrific. Would like to hear if the locals feel like there is a general escalation in street crime or these are more isolated incidents.

Horrible! Possibly another consequence of cutting police numbers. I favour strong action against violent criminals. Lock them up and turn them into slaves working to fund victim compensation while they are locked up.

This is one of the bike theft videos I was referring to, one of the victims gets acid thrown in his face.

J Dory wrote:

morepork wrote:

J Dory wrote:Was footage of London. It was the brazenness of the thefts that struck me, like the thieves didn't give a toss and new they wouldn't be caught.

How is Kaikohe these days boss?

Didn't go there last time, but I'm assuming it's still a shit hole. There was a story i read recently regarding some young folks brazenly vandalizing a store front if that's where you were going with this?

I wasn't taking a dig at London, I spent a lot of time in the city and loved it, but at the time didn't see the level of violent crime I am reading about now. The acid attack thing is obviously a whole new level, horrific. Would like to hear if the locals feel like there is a general escalation in street crime or these are more isolated incidents.

And I wasn't having ago at Kaikohe....apologies if it came across as such. Point is that there is a growing class of disaffected youth everywhere.

Pretty much no one ever sees the level of violent crime reported in London. It's a big place with roughly twice the number of people as NZ. Disparate crimes across the city aren't relly an issue for the vast majority of people.

Zhivago wrote:Horrible! Possibly another consequence of cutting police numbers. I favour strong action against violent criminals. Lock them up and turn them into slaves working to fund victim compensation while they are locked up.

16-year olds who conduct these acid attacks should be flung into prison for the rest of their lives only to be taken from their cells every Sunday morning to a public place where they can be pilloried by churchgoing Sunday Mail readers. Thereafter they should be pinioned to a table outside the nearest Weatherspoons and have acid dripped onto their genitals over the remaining hours of daylight. Thence they should be taken back to their cell on the pillion of a moped and left with a small tube of ointment to treat their own wounds - the whole exercise to be repeated every Sunday ad infinitum until they have no genitals left, at which point they should be transported.

Alternatively we could recognise that he is no more nor less of a cunt than the twat who sticks a knife into a stranger for the few pounds in his wallet and stop getting so fecking hysterical?

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:

Zhivago wrote:Horrible! Possibly another consequence of cutting police numbers. I favour strong action against violent criminals. Lock them up and turn them into slaves working to fund victim compensation while they are locked up.

16-year olds who conduct these acid attacks should be flung into prison for the rest of their lives only to be taken from their cells every Sunday morning to a public place where they can be pilloried by churchgoing Sunday Mail readers. Thereafter they should be pinioned to a table outside the nearest Weatherspoons and have acid dripped onto their genitals over the remaining hours of daylight. Thence they should be taken back to their cell on the pillion of a moped and left with a small tube of ointment to treat their own wounds - the whole exercise to be repeated every Sunday ad infinitum until they have no genitals left, at which point they should be transported.

Alternatively we could recognise that he is no more nor less of a cunt than the twat who sticks a knife into a stranger for the few pounds in his wallet and stop getting so fecking hysterical?

I wasn't arguing which crime is worse, just that violent crimes should be much more harshly dealt with.

Zhivago wrote:

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:

Zhivago wrote:Horrible! Possibly another consequence of cutting police numbers. I favour strong action against violent criminals. Lock them up and turn them into slaves working to fund victim compensation while they are locked up.

16-year olds who conduct these acid attacks should be flung into prison for the rest of their lives only to be taken from their cells every Sunday morning to a public place where they can be pilloried by churchgoing Sunday Mail readers. Thereafter they should be pinioned to a table outside the nearest Weatherspoons and have acid dripped onto their genitals over the remaining hours of daylight. Thence they should be taken back to their cell on the pillion of a moped and left with a small tube of ointment to treat their own wounds - the whole exercise to be repeated every Sunday ad infinitum until they have no genitals left, at which point they should be transported.

Alternatively we could recognise that he is no more nor less of a cunt than the twat who sticks a knife into a stranger for the few pounds in his wallet and stop getting so fecking hysterical?

I wasn't arguing which crime is worse, just that violent crimes should be much more harshly dealt with.

We need more prisons then.

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:

Zhivago wrote:Horrible! Possibly another consequence of cutting police numbers. I favour strong action against violent criminals. Lock them up and turn them into slaves working to fund victim compensation while they are locked up.

16-year olds who conduct these acid attacks should be flung into prison for the rest of their lives only to be taken from their cells every Sunday morning to a public place where they can be pilloried by churchgoing Sunday Mail readers. Thereafter they should be pinioned to a table outside the nearest Weatherspoons and have acid dripped onto their genitals over the remaining hours of daylight. Thence they should be taken back to their cell on the pillion of a moped and left with a small tube of ointment to treat their own wounds - the whole exercise to be repeated every Sunday ad infinitum until they have no genitals left, at which point they should be transported.

Alternatively we could recognise that he is no more nor less of a cunt than the twat who sticks a knife into a stranger for the few pounds in his wallet and stop getting so fecking hysterical?

As Eugene points out, there is plenty of violence in London on a daily basis which is the nature of a big city. I'm not suggesting that London is any more violent then another comparable city, but there are plenty of incidents on a daily basis. Most of those don't make the national news, but the nature of these attacks does.

The fact that acid attacks in the UK are becoming increasingly different to those in other countries is interesting. Yet a huge knee jerk reaction is probably the wrong approach. I'm all for increasing the tariff on crimes where the victim is left with lasting injuries, but all things must remain proportionate.

Do you mean proportionate in the biblical/Sharia sense?

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:Do you mean proportionate in the biblical/Sharia sense?

Well, proportionate to those attacks which don't leave long lasting damage and those that kill you. Somewhere in the middle of those extremes would be about right.

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:
16-year olds who conduct these acid attacks should be flung into prison for the rest of their lives only to be taken from their cells every Sunday morning to a public place where they can be pilloried by churchgoing Sunday Mail readers. Thereafter they should be pinioned to a table outside the nearest Weatherspoons and have acid dripped onto their genitals over the remaining hours of daylight. Thence they should be taken back to their cell on the pillion of a moped and left with a small tube of ointment to treat their own wounds - the whole exercise to be repeated every Sunday ad infinitum until they have no genitals left, at which point they should be transported.

Alternatively we could recognise that he is no more nor less of a cunt than the twat who sticks a knife into a stranger for the few pounds in his wallet and stop getting so fecking hysterical?

I wasn't arguing which crime is worse, just that violent crimes should be much more harshly dealt with.

We need more prisons then.

As part of a wider investment. We need better rehabilitation of non-violent criminals, which could mean more community service etc. There is no simple answer, but if someone maims or murders someone then there should be a long long period of restitution.

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:
I wasn't arguing which crime is worse, just that violent crimes should be much more harshly dealt with.

We need more prisons then.

As part of a wider investment. We need better rehabilitation of non-violent criminals, which could mean more community service etc. There is no simple answer, but if someone maims or murders someone then there should be a long long period of restitution.

Murder, of course.

Maim - that is where we need proportionality. A small amount of acid burning that can be rectified vs loss of limb for a victim following dangerous driving. There should be a sliding scale of tariff across all possible means of inflicting injury on another person, with tariff set by intention and damage caused.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lo ... e=facebook

She's a better woman than me, I'm not sure I will treat any cunt that does that to me, particularly not after all the effort I'll go through to leave them needing my treatment.

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:Pretty much no one ever sees the level of violent crime reported in London. It's a big place with roughly twice the number of people as NZ. Disparate crimes across the city aren't relly an issue for the vast majority of people.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40731485

See, it's true, moped bandits I tells ya.

Nothing new!

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:

Nothing new!

That actually looks kinda good!

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