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Hostile Environment

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:40 am
by Zhivago

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:23 pm
by canta_brian
So you can be entitled to live in the UK and work in the UK but you are not allowed to rent a property with the money you have earned legally in the UK. That sounds like a court challenge of some sort surely?

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:40 pm
by Stones of granite
canta_brian wrote:So you can be entitled to live in the UK and work in the UK but you are not allowed to rent a property with the money you have earned legally in the UK. That sounds like a court challenge of some sort surely?
It's bullshit, but it is the way the Law is worded that is the problem. Another piece of ill thought through legislation.

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:06 pm
by Digby
What actually is causing the problem?

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:15 pm
by Mellsblue
Foreigners.

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:19 pm
by Digby
Mellsblue wrote:Foreigners.
The Welsh have been here a long time and there's little to be done about it now. Somebody has surely ballsed up in this instance however

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:17 pm
by Puja
Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:Foreigners.
The Welsh have been here a long time and there's little to be done about it now. Somebody has surely ballsed up in this instance however
What's needed is a hard border across Offa's Dyke.

Puja

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:28 am
by Stones of granite
Digby wrote:What actually is causing the problem?
The cause of the problem is the Government deciding that Landlords should be enforcing Government immigration policy by being obliged to check if a potential tenant is a legal resident. The Government has helpfully prescribed exactly what documents and legal status a tenant should have, and it is in the detail of this that the problem lies.

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:32 am
by Stones of granite
Puja wrote:
Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:Foreigners.
The Welsh have been here a long time and there's little to be done about it now. Somebody has surely ballsed up in this instance however
What's needed is a hard border across Offa's Dyke.

Puja
The Oceanus Britannicus was surely a hard enough border, and the immigrants who crossed it - Horsa and Hengist and all their pals - should surely be sent back across it.

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:48 am
by Zhivago
Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:Foreigners.
The Welsh have been here a long time and there's little to be done about it now. Somebody has surely ballsed up in this instance however
Yma o hyd.

Despite all the historical attempts to subsume our identity.

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:30 am
by Digby
Stones of granite wrote:
Digby wrote:What actually is causing the problem?
The cause of the problem is the Government deciding that Landlords should be enforcing Government immigration policy by being obliged to check if a potential tenant is a legal resident. The Government has helpfully prescribed exactly what documents and legal status a tenant should have, and it is in the detail of this that the problem lies.
So they can be legally resident but if they don't have the paperwork which matches specific checks they're caught out?

If so it rather highlights the problem of rushed legislation, thank god we have no further plans for that

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:35 am
by Stones of granite
Digby wrote:
Stones of granite wrote:
Digby wrote:What actually is causing the problem?
The cause of the problem is the Government deciding that Landlords should be enforcing Government immigration policy by being obliged to check if a potential tenant is a legal resident. The Government has helpfully prescribed exactly what documents and legal status a tenant should have, and it is in the detail of this that the problem lies.
So they can be legally resident but if they don't have the paperwork which matches specific checks they're caught out?
Exactly this.
Digby wrote: If so it rather highlights the problem of rushed legislation, thank god we have no further plans for that
What could possibly go wrong?

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:58 am
by OptimisticJock
That's fucking ridiculous.


Also, I was kind of hoping this was a job advert.

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:43 pm
by Stones of granite
OptimisticJock wrote:That's fucking ridiculous.


Also, I was kind of hoping this was a job advert.
Isn't Dundee enough of a hostile environment for you? Were you hoping for Arbroath?

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:10 pm
by Puja
OptimisticJock wrote:That's fucking ridiculous.


Also, I was kind of hoping this was a job advert.
I saw that in the news the other day - did you see the guy's hilarious non-pology?

Puja

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:18 pm
by OptimisticJock
Stones of granite wrote:
OptimisticJock wrote:That's fucking ridiculous.


Also, I was kind of hoping this was a job advert.
Isn't Dundee enough of a hostile environment for you? Were you hoping for Arbroath?
I see it more as missionary work.

Puja, not sure what you're on about mate.

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:39 pm
by Digby
OptimisticJock wrote:
Stones of granite wrote:
OptimisticJock wrote:That's fucking ridiculous.


Also, I was kind of hoping this was a job advert.
Isn't Dundee enough of a hostile environment for you? Were you hoping for Arbroath?
I see it more as missionary work.

Puja, not sure what you're on about mate.
Is Annie Lennox singing about you?

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:47 pm
by Puja
OptimisticJock wrote:Puja, not sure what you're on about mate.
Ah, thought you were referring to this when you said job advert: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-47071423

Puja

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:02 pm
by Sandydragon
Stones of granite wrote:
Digby wrote:What actually is causing the problem?
The cause of the problem is the Government deciding that Landlords should be enforcing Government immigration policy by being obliged to check if a potential tenant is a legal resident. The Government has helpfully prescribed exactly what documents and legal status a tenant should have, and it is in the detail of this that the problem lies.
Yup. And if a tennant come provide exactly the right documentation then they are stuffed. Poorly thought through legislation.

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:20 pm
by onlynameleft

Re: Hostile Environment

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:38 pm
by WaspInWales
Puja wrote:
Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:Foreigners.
The Welsh have been here a long time and there's little to be done about it now. Somebody has surely ballsed up in this instance however
What's needed is a hard border across Offa's Dyke.

Puja
Bring it ya bunch of Nigels!

Shit, forgot I'm English.