Women's world cup

[WaspInWales]

Anyone been watching?

I've caught a few of England's matches, plus some others. I actually think England have improved under Neville and they have a good a chance as ever to come away with something and the best of luck to them.

There's no denying the lack of quality at times though. Some of the passing has been dreadful and I've lost count of the number of times a team is awarded a throw in but the player throwing the ball in fails to get the ball to even go on the pitch when attempting to throw down the line. That said, you can't question the commitment and effort of the teams. It clearly means a lot to them all and the women's game is growing as a result and that is a good thing. I read an interview from one of the England player's who likened the drop in quality from the men and women's games to that of premier league standards and league 2 or non-league which supporters still get very passionate about. It's a decent point tbh, and in time standards across the women's game will continue to improve.

Best of luck to the Lionesses against the USA.

[Puja]

It is worthwhile remembering that a few of the teams are mostly amateur players, so the skill levels in the early stages will suffer from that. I've just been watching the England games, so I can't say as I've noticed a huge drop off of skill.

Puja

[SerjeantWildgoose]

Its also worth remembering that the USA women's team, the current favourites, were beaten in 2017 by FC Dallas Under-15 boys. This shyte is like serving up an episode of Miranda Hart and trying to convince people its as worthy as The Sopranos.

Women's football is a turd and sticking Dion Dublin on camera next to a couple of Scouse pixies isn't going to polish it.

[Puja]

Its also worth remembering that the USA women's team, the current favourites, were beaten in 2017 by FC Dallas Under-15 boys. This shyte is like serving up an episode of Miranda Hart and trying to convince people its as worthy as The Sopranos.

Women's football is a turd and sticking Dion Dublin on camera next to a couple of Scouse pixies isn't going to polish it.

Have you actually watched any?

Puja

[SerjeantWildgoose]

I have watched some. It has all been crap. I couldn't really see much difference between the England vs Cameroon or the England vs Norway games and yet the pundits seemed to think that these were the dreadful and wonderful epitomes of the women's game.

In their tantrum I at least thought Cameroon lived down to the standard of the sport, which is infantile.

Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap.

[Puja]

Each to their own. I'm not a huge football fan, but I've been enjoying it so far. Sorry you've not.

Puja

[SerjeantWildgoose]

To be fair, Big Fella, I haven't enjoyed a football game for years, but even so ...

I'm glad that someone is enjoying it.

[Molitor5901]

Once again, FIFA deserve a lot of credit for convincing everyone that runny turd is creme brulee.

[Galfon]

About the money innit..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48906848

Often a good watch,but need to work on throw-ins & goalie distribution.

[Mikey Brown]

I didn't actually watch any of it but I'm really enjoying all the nonsense that this team are stirring up with Trump.

[Mikey Brown]

Haha. Just look at these cunts.

[Stom]

I always thought women's football was of a far lower standard than the men's. If you thought there was a huge gulf between men's and women's tennis, you've not seen nothing until you've seen the football.

Then one of the England goalies made a comment about the standard of training compared to the men and it got me thinking. So I payed attention to their positioning and awareness. And I also paid attention to the technical awareness of the defense. And it is truly appalling. Amateurish...

Just as if these women get access to coaching levels around in line with the Conference...

Which is exactly what happens.

If you want women's sport to be on par with men's, get them a similar level of training. No amount of whining or "equality" will fix it if they don't get trained to be high quality. If they had the same opportunities, they wouldn't be this far behind.

[morepork]

The boards have turned into a massive PC Vs. faux outrage anti-PC battleground! Bring back the rugger!


did I just say "rugger"?

[Mikey Brown]

Who is who in this thread?

[Puja]

I always thought women's football was of a far lower standard than the men's. If you thought there was a huge gulf between men's and women's tennis, you've not seen nothing until you've seen the football.

Then one of the England goalies made a comment about the standard of training compared to the men and it got me thinking. So I payed attention to their positioning and awareness. And I also paid attention to the technical awareness of the defense. And it is truly appalling. Amateurish...

Just as if these women get access to coaching levels around in line with the Conference...

Which is exactly what happens.

If you want women's sport to be on par with men's, get them a similar level of training. No amount of whining or "equality" will fix it if they don't get trained to be high quality. If they had the same opportunities, they wouldn't be this far behind.

You're not wrong at all. If you consider that the England women's team only went pro a few years ago, it's impressive they're even at Conference level.

With luck, this kind of publicity (and hopefully greater interest and thus money) will start to turn the tide a little. You would've thought theoretically that there'd actually be no reason why a woman couldn't play at men's level, given that it's more of a skill and stamina game than an outright strength or speed one.

Puja

[Digby]

You would've thought theoretically that there'd actually be no reason why a woman couldn't play at men's level, given that it's more of a skill and stamina game than an outright strength or speed one.

Puja

Are you just trying to get someone to bite? At most I might watch MoD a few times a season, and I'm not going to bother just because the England men made the WC semis, but the physicality in modern football is enormous, time on the ball is massively reduced from the 90s because just about every top flight player has such physical ability

If you want to play without speed and acceleration then the closer your ball skills, movement and decision making are to Zidane's the better, otherwise you're in rather a lot of trouble.

[Puja]

You would've thought theoretically that there'd actually be no reason why a woman couldn't play at men's level, given that it's more of a skill and stamina game than an outright strength or speed one.

Puja

Are you just trying to get someone to bite? At most I might watch MoD a few times a season, and I'm not going to bother just because the England men made the WC semis, but the physicality in modern football is enormous, time on the ball is massively reduced from the 90s because just about every top flight player has such physical ability

If you want to play without speed and acceleration then the closer your ball skills, movement and decision making are to Zidane's the better, otherwise you're in rather a lot of trouble.

There are very slight male footballers. I'm not saying that we should be looking to abolish the women's team, but I don't see a physical reason why a top woman couldn't play men's football - the physical requirements are far from outside of the capacity of a woman.

Whether there'll ever be a structure or a society that would give a level playing field for that to be tested in the field is the main question. Signs point to no.

Puja

[Stom]

You would've thought theoretically that there'd actually be no reason why a woman couldn't play at men's level, given that it's more of a skill and stamina game than an outright strength or speed one.

Puja

Are you just trying to get someone to bite? At most I might watch MoD a few times a season, and I'm not going to bother just because the England men made the WC semis, but the physicality in modern football is enormous, time on the ball is massively reduced from the 90s because just about every top flight player has such physical ability

If you want to play without speed and acceleration then the closer your ball skills, movement and decision making are to Zidane's the better, otherwise you're in rather a lot of trouble.

There are very slight male footballers. I'm not saying that we should be looking to abolish the women's team, but I don't see a physical reason why a top woman couldn't play men's football - the physical requirements are far from outside of the capacity of a woman.

Whether there'll ever be a structure or a society that would give a level playing field for that to be tested in the field is the main question. Signs point to no.

Puja

But an average woman will have to spend more of her precious training time on strength training to just match the men, taking away from her technical training and tactical training.

[Digby]

You would've thought theoretically that there'd actually be no reason why a woman couldn't play at men's level, given that it's more of a skill and stamina game than an outright strength or speed one.

Puja

Are you just trying to get someone to bite? At most I might watch MoD a few times a season, and I'm not going to bother just because the England men made the WC semis, but the physicality in modern football is enormous, time on the ball is massively reduced from the 90s because just about every top flight player has such physical ability

If you want to play without speed and acceleration then the closer your ball skills, movement and decision making are to Zidane's the better, otherwise you're in rather a lot of trouble.

There are very slight male footballers. I'm not saying that we should be looking to abolish the women's team, but I don't see a physical reason why a top woman couldn't play men's football - the physical requirements are far from outside of the capacity of a woman.

Whether there'll ever be a structure or a society that would give a level playing field for that to be tested in the field is the main question. Signs point to no.

Puja

But even the slight players, people like Modric, Xaxi and so on will be bloody quick, if only over 5metres rather than 50m. We just don't notice it easily because you don't get the lesser players so much who get exposed as was still the case back in the 80s and 90s. Okay there's the odd Charlie Adams, but even then you'd have strength over the ball which a lot of female players would struggle with.

[Digby]

Put another way, if you inserted Glen Hoddle, about as skilful an England player I've seen, into the top level of modern football he'd likely be a liability as the likes of Milner and Henderson simply wouldn't allow him any time to seek space or get on the ball.

The advances we've seen in speed of play in rugby are hardly unique to rugby, they've been happening in football too.

Once upon a time I had some fun working with an IT firm who do a fair amount of work on the GPS tracking software and whatnot, and I promise football is much, much faster than even a decade back.

I'm not saying it's impossible a women could play for a men's team, but it's a significant challenge which would take a very special player. Just as it would in cricket, rugby...

[Stom]

Put another way, if you inserted Glen Hoddle, about as skilful an England player I've seen, into the top level of modern football he'd likely be a liability as the likes of Milner and Henderson simply wouldn't allow him any time to seek space or get on the ball.

The advances we've seen in speed of play in rugby are hardly unique to rugby, they've been happening in football too.

Once upon a time I had some fun working with an IT firm who do a fair amount of work on the GPS tracking software and whatnot, and I promise football is much, much faster than even a decade back.

I'm not saying it's impossible a women could play for a men's team, but it's a significant challenge which would take a very special player. Just as it would in cricket, rugby...

Heck, football's a lot faster than it was 6 years ago! Just take James Rodriguez as an example. A player who seemed like he had all the time in the world on the ball suddenly seems crowded out all the time and unable to have an influence on games.

Football is cyclical. We're moving into another age. Teams are going to try and break the press by putting players in unfashionable positions and we'll get another Pirlo. We've already seen it somewhat and Sarri tried it at Chelsea with little success because Jorginho is not Pirlo.

Players like Kante will shield and those deep lying playmakers will make a return.

[Digby]

Deep lying playmakers have already made a return, it's just now they call them goalkeepers rather than sweepers or midfielders dropping deep