Ratings?

[Stom]

Entire team: n/a
Farrel: -0
Jones: -10 Yes, that's minus 10.

[jngf]

Only Wilson and Itoje showed up. Worst England performance I think I’ve seen since 1987

[Stom]

Only Wilson and Itoje showed up. Worst England performance I think I’ve seen since 1987

No one had a chance to turn up. Jones and Farrell put paid to that.

And, since 1987? Do you remember Andy Robinson? We were utterly abysmal throughout his time.

[jngf]

Only Wilson and Itoje showed up. Worst England performance I think I’ve seen since 1987

No one had a chance to turn up. Jones and Farrell put paid to that.

And, since 1987? Do you remember Andy Robinson? We were utterly abysmal throughout his time.

I do remember it, but in a way this is even worse because Robbo had a far less talented group of players to work with ( and a bizarre selection methodology tbh) Eddy has less excuses in that area imo

[Epaminondas Pules]

Just out of idle curiousity who gave away the penalties? Who put us continually in the back foot and gifted Scotland both possession and territory? Those 7 in a row. Who was that? And why? Were they avoidable or desperation?

By all means blame people for being shit, but at least look beyond one player and the coach, who I don’t think gave away a single penalty. This was a team capitulation. It happens. Farrell or Jones didn’t lose that game. The team, where almost entirely below standard lost that game.

[TheNomad]

So many bad performances it’s incredible - the penalties were extraordinary, Youngs set the early tone with that horrendous pass from a really good position and Farrell is just so bad I don’t even know where to start

So many of the forwards just didn’t read the ref and played like total morons.

And once again the backs had zero chance to do anything. And why wait so long to bring Ford on?

My biggest issue though is Jones. He is so immovably set on what he thinks the right set up is it’s embarrassing.

I feel we’re heading in totally the wrong direction. Time for a rethink

[jngf]

So many bad performances it’s incredible - the penalties were extraordinary, Youngs set the early tone with that horrendous pass from a really good position and Farrell is just so bad I don’t even know where to start

So many of the forwards just didn’t read the ref and played like total morons.

And once again the backs had zero chance to do anything. And why wait so long to bring Ford on?

My biggest issue though is Jones. He is so immovably set on what he thinks the right set up is it’s embarrassing.

I feel we’re heading in totally the wrong direction. Time for a rethink

Time for Jones to be sacked (if he doesn’t have the decency to resign first) imo!

[Stom]

Just out of idle curiousity who gave away the penalties? Who put us continually in the back foot and gifted Scotland both possession and territory? Those 7 in a row. Who was that? And why? Were they avoidable or desperation?

By all means blame people for being shit, but at least look beyond one player and the coach, who I don’t think gave away a single penalty. This was a team capitulation. It happens. Farrell or Jones didn’t lose that game. The team, where almost entirely below standard lost that game.

The penalties were given away by multiple players in many different ways, all of which had something in common: they were against the team in defense.

Except the first, which was stupidity (and not the first time) by Hill, who is fast showing why he shouldn’t be partnering Itoje.

The fact we came out in the second half and didn’t change the game plan should 100% fall on the coaches.

Farrell was just terrible in the second half. Seriously poor, yet he wasn’t subbed.

I mean, he’s not normally that bad, suggesting he’s rusty, understandably. Yet he wasn’t subbed?

[switchskier]

Only Wilson and Itoje showed up. Worst England performance I think I’ve seen since 1987

I thought that Ijote was poor. Very lucky not to be carded for repeated infringements, but then he never is.

Was expecting much more from Genge too, but he was blowing pretty hard at times and compensated by pointing and shouting.

Thought Hill got through a lot of work. Stuart had the odd good moment too, and Curry kept trying even if it wasn't his day.

[Spiffy]

Just out of idle curiousity who gave away the penalties? Who put us continually in the back foot and gifted Scotland both possession and territory? Those 7 in a row. Who was that? And why? Were they avoidable or desperation?

By all means blame people for being shit, but at least look beyond one player and the coach, who I don’t think gave away a single penalty. This was a team capitulation. It happens. Farrell or Jones didn’t lose that game. The team, where almost entirely below standard lost that game.

The penalties were given away by multiple players in many different ways, all of which had something in common: they were against the team in defense.

Except the first, which was stupidity (and not the first time) by Hill, who is fast showing why he shouldn’t be partnering Itoje.

The fact we came out in the second half and didn’t change the game plan should 100% fall on the coaches.

Farrell was just terrible in the second half. Seriously poor, yet he wasn’t subbed.

I mean, he’s not normally that bad, suggesting he’s rusty, understandably. Yet he wasn’t subbed?

Don't be daft man - Jones wouldn't substitute him if he lost a leg.

[fivepointer]

Ratings....jeez.
Frankly every last one of them was below par. Some were seriously below par, but even our quality players didnt produce anything like an acceptable performance.

[Epaminondas Pules]

Just out of idle curiousity who gave away the penalties? Who put us continually in the back foot and gifted Scotland both possession and territory? Those 7 in a row. Who was that? And why? Were they avoidable or desperation?

By all means blame people for being shit, but at least look beyond one player and the coach, who I don’t think gave away a single penalty. This was a team capitulation. It happens. Farrell or Jones didn’t lose that game. The team, where almost entirely below standard lost that game.

The penalties were given away by multiple players in many different ways, all of which had something in common: they were against the team in defense.

Except the first, which was stupidity (and not the first time) by Hill, who is fast showing why he shouldn’t be partnering Itoje.

The fact we came out in the second half and didn’t change the game plan should 100% fall on the coaches.

Farrell was just terrible in the second half. Seriously poor, yet he wasn’t subbed.

I mean, he’s not normally that bad, suggesting he’s rusty, understandably. Yet he wasn’t subbed?

It’s was actually arguably 13 players from the starting 15 and at least two finishers.

[Epaminondas Pules]

You can all call Farrell and angry wank into a sock all you want, but you’re just papering over a performance with pre determined opinions. There was a raft of players who didn’t perform; compounded error upon error, didn’t read the ref and much much more. You can say Ford didn’t get enough time, but if your replacement 9 today can’t pass for toffee then it’s largely pointless.

[Epaminondas Pules]

And I think Farrell was shit today along with a fuck tonne of others. It’s one of those days.

[Stom]

Just out of idle curiousity who gave away the penalties? Who put us continually in the back foot and gifted Scotland both possession and territory? Those 7 in a row. Who was that? And why? Were they avoidable or desperation?

By all means blame people for being shit, but at least look beyond one player and the coach, who I don’t think gave away a single penalty. This was a team capitulation. It happens. Farrell or Jones didn’t lose that game. The team, where almost entirely below standard lost that game.

The penalties were given away by multiple players in many different ways, all of which had something in common: they were against the team in defense.

Except the first, which was stupidity (and not the first time) by Hill, who is fast showing why he shouldn’t be partnering Itoje.

The fact we came out in the second half and didn’t change the game plan should 100% fall on the coaches.

Farrell was just terrible in the second half. Seriously poor, yet he wasn’t subbed.

I mean, he’s not normally that bad, suggesting he’s rusty, understandably. Yet he wasn’t subbed?

It’s was actually arguably 13 players from the starting 15 and at least two finishers.

Sorry, I don’t quite get it? Who gave away stupid penalties?

Whoever defended gave away penalties, as shown by the number Scotland conceded in that brief pre half time period.

[Epaminondas Pules]

The penalties we gave away on top of each other were down to pressure?

[Stom]

You can all call Farrell and angry wank into a sock all you want, but you’re just papering over a performance with pre determined opinions. There was a raft of players who didn’t perform; compounded error upon error, didn’t read the ref and much much more. You can say Ford didn’t get enough time, but if your replacement 9 today can’t pass for toffee then it’s largely pointless.

That period around the 70th minute when we probed, the play was all through 10. Farrell chose the wrong option pretty much every time (he might have got it right once or twice but there’s no way I’m watching that shit show back). That’s just terrible.

And you have to remember, he is both captain and playmaker. The buck stops with him.

So when the entire team malfunctions, the fault had to lie at the coach, the captain and the on field decision makers. Two of those are Farrell.

That’s it.

I even praised him for his kicking before he put in some terrible kicks second half. He hit 2-3 pretty good locks first half. Second half even those dried up.

It’s not entirely his fault, he looked Rusty and his levels dropped as he tired, so now Eddie needs to take the blame for not subbing him.

[Puja]

I don't think there was a single starter over 4/10 and frankly those only go to Lawrence, Slade and Watson for having zero impact on the game.

Puja

[Stom]

The penalties we gave away on top of each other were down to pressure?

Some of them sure, but I’d argue nearly all of them were penalties most refs don’t give. So it’s about reading and playing to the ref. It was a clear pattern and someone should go back and count the penalties given to the attacking team vs defending team

[Epaminondas Pules]

Ok let’s ignore the previous 70 minutes. And Robson’s ability to pass like a paraplegic.

Farrell was shit. So was almost everyone else.

Enjoy the angry wank though. Oh Farrell he’s so naughty.

[fivepointer]

Ok let’s ignore the previous 70 minutes. And Robson’s ability to pass like a paraplegic.

Farrell was shit. So was almost everyone else.

Enjoy the angry wank though. Oh Farrell he’s so naughty.

Point is Farrell wasnt much cop during the 6N's nor the Autumn internationals. Its not all down to Farrell - frankly everyone was poor today - but if he is certain starter, our captain and safe from being substituted, I dont think its unreasonable to expect a bit more from him.

[Epaminondas Pules]

And everyone else?

[FKAS]

Front row - 4 failed to impose themselves on the game in any real way. Were deducted a point for the gormless way both props didn't even try and catch the Youngs pass right in front of them.

Second row - 4 worked hard and had some impact but conceded penalties and ended up putting us under pressure.

Backrow - 3 taken to the cleaners by their opposite numbers, only get as high as 3 because Wilson was steady.

Youngs - 5 our only hint of attacking spark, game management was missing. Is it a case he can only be boring and pragmatic or try to play and not do both?

Farrell - 1 nothing of worth added, we'd had been better off he was sent off.

Midfield - 3 didn't get into the game and were made to look like club level players by their opposite numbers.

Back three - 2 error strewn and ineffectual. Only get 2 because Watson made a carry and chased a kick well after Ford came on and added some direction to the tactical kicking game.

Eddie has either got to make wholesale changes or send the same team out next game with a rocket up their backside. I'm guessing he'll go for the later which will make for another painful watch.

Hopefully we can finally finish with the Robson deserves a chance thing and get young Harry Randall some experience off the bench.

[Epaminondas Pules]

And don’t confuse me with someone who gives a fuck, I’m just asking as it’s quite funny to watch people get so caught up about a single player.

I thought he was cack today, but I could also say the same about almost everyone else, but I won’t ignore their impact on the game in favour of an angry wank.

[Stom]

Ok let’s ignore the previous 70 minutes. And Robson’s ability to pass like a paraplegic.

Farrell was shit. So was almost everyone else.

Enjoy the angry wank though. Oh Farrell he’s so naughty.

I don't understand your point?

It's the coach's responsibility to set the team up and to get them playing a game plan that makes sense AND to adjust that through messages and half time.

It's the captain's job to relay the coach's instructions, to get the team performing better, and to talk to his teammates to adjust how they're playing.

It's the playmaker's job to adjust within the bounds of the tactics. And to do this on the fly.

If it's possible for us to see what's going on, Jones has that ability too. So he needs to take absolute responsibility for a performance where every single player played like a fucking u10.

But for the on field stuff...the captain needs to also take responsibility.

It's also incredibly frustrating when we have one of the best readers of the game in world rugby twiddling his fingers on the bench for 70 fucking minutes, only to come on when it's too late to do anything. A sentiment I expressed in the build up. It's not whether he had the tools, it's whether he would have the time to influence the game.

He didn't.